Having a relationship with God is impossible

[Bahman]

It depends on the nature of the relationship. If we call the relationship"distance", then surely our walking closer towards the wall changes the relationship for both of us.

That is correct.

You have to prove that this principle does not apply to a “personal” relationship as well.

The nature of relationship in Christianity is Love. Do you experience God’s Love more when you love Him more?

So would a wall be (changeless, that is).

By the way, just because God is eternal and outside of time, doesn’t mean He can’t interact in temporal manner. It is just that every entry into a point of time in the “temporal world” is interacting actually with all of the temporal universe at once. It only appears to us to happen at discrete points of time because we are “stuck” in temporality.

peace
steve

God cannot act temporary. I however understand what you are trying to say. You believe that God knows everything eternally, your pray for example, and can answer to your praying by His eternal act. There is however a problem in this view: God’s eternal acts should fork to ensure that He can sustain universe properly. God however cannot know the current time because He dwells in eternal now, hence He cannot sustain the creation by one eternal act.

 

[Bahman]

God always keeps his end of the bargain. It’s humanity that has failed to keep theirs.

I don’t understand how your comment is related to the question raised in OP.

 

[Bahman]

I for one, don’t think questions should be phrased in a way that makes them unanswerable. Not that I couldn’t answer this question. It’s just I feel the OP does not actual want an answer.

So do you have an answer to OP? I would be glad to hear it because my mind is very busy with it.

 

[Bahman]

The change does not take place in God but rather the change takes place in man. God has made man his sons, therefore divine, filled with God’s own divine life. So the change is in man which God himself brought about thru his divine Son Jesus.

So you believe that Jesus can answer to all our pries at once? How about those people who lived before Jesus incarnation?

 

[SecretCatholic]

I for one, don’t think questions should be phrased in a way that makes them unanswerable. Not that I couldn’t answer this question. It’s just I feel the OP does not actual want an answer.

Bingo!

Bahman: I think you have interesting questions worthy of discussing. But your responses reveal that you are not seeking any answers but your own. What is your goal in all these questioning threads? Do you seek to disprove? You seem to be absolutely closed to any other suggestions or line of reasoning. You shut them all down and want every answer to go down your very narrow line of reasoning to your already-decided conclusion. Or do you just enjoy the mysterious facade?

If I were a moderator I would limit your thread-creation. The threads go nowhere and enrich no one. Frankly, I think it’s unfair to other posters, because the purpose of a forum is to foster honest and fruitful discussion. I do not believe that you are doing either of these. Some would call your behavior “trolling”.

 

[Lion_IRC]

I have a relationship with God.

Bahman must be mistaken about what God can and cannot do.

 

[LethalMouse]

We are talking about relation and not meaning. This does not provide a good answer to OP.

That is not correct. God is a wall and you are trying to make a relation with something changeless.

Umm yeah, I quoted your post that I responded to where it was very applicable.

And the second line successfully proves the point you responded to LOL.

 

[womanatwell]

I don’t understand how your post is related to OP. Could you please elaborate?

I’m sorry you could not interpret what I said. I will interpret it for you. It is true I did not use the example of a wall. I changed the example to a desert with one tree. You start far away from it and look to the horizon and see what looks like either a mirage or an oasis at that tree. You said God is unchanging so we can’t have a relationship with Him. When you travel to the horizon of your view, marked by that tree, you learn whether what you saw was a mirage or an oasis. You have more knowledge and become part of what was once your horizon. In that way you have a relationship with God.

I pray you can travel to this horizon, Bahman. Right now you appear to not be able to reach it. You need to get to it because there really is an oasis there. You need the water because it gives you life.

I hope you understand now that my post really has more to do with the Original Poster than the Original Post.

 

[Bahman]

Bingo!

Bahman: I think you have interesting questions worthy of discussing.

Thank you. What is your answer?

But your responses reveal that you are not seeking any answers but your own.

That is not correct.

What is your goal in all these questioning threads?

To find the truth.

Do you seek to disprove?

No.

You seem to be absolutely closed to any other suggestions or line of reasoning.

That is not correct. I am open to anyone who offer a good answer.

You shut them all down and want every answer to go down your very narrow line of reasoning to your already-decided conclusion.

That is not really my intention. I just think through to make sure that any answer to my question is good or not. I have spent lots of time to find answers to my questions.

Or do you just enjoy the mysterious facade?

I am simply looking for a good answer.

If I were a moderator I would limit your thread-creation.

Why? I am a honest person looking for a good answer.

The threads go nowhere and enrich no one.

That is possible but that is not my fault.

Frankly, I think it’s unfair to other posters, because the purpose of a forum is to foster honest and fruitful discussion. I do not believe that you are doing either of these. Some would call your behavior “trolling”.

I am seriously honest in my discussion. I am simply looking for truth.

 

[RPRPsych]

I for one, don’t think questions should be phrased in a way that makes them unanswerable. Not that I couldn’t answer this question. It’s just I feel the OP does not actual want an answer.

I know, most of these threads have questions phrased in the “How many times do you beat your children and wife?” style. Hence my psycho holiday.

Let’s rock.

 

[Bahman]

I have a relationship with God.

Bahman must be mistaken about what God can and cannot do.

I am having a relationship with God too. I am looking for an answer that how such a thing is possible given the definition of God.

 

[Bahman]

I’m sorry you could not interpret what I said. I will interpret it for you. It is true I did not use the example of a wall. I changed the example to a desert with one tree. You start far away from it and look to the horizon and see what looks like either a mirage or an oasis at that tree. You said God is unchanging so we can’t have a relationship with Him. When you travel to the horizon of your view, marked by that tree, you learn whether what you saw was a mirage or an oasis. You have more knowledge and become part of what was once your horizon. In that way you have a relationship with God.

I understand your point now. There is a problem here which is related to the fact that we accept God to be infinite whereas consider ourselves to be finite. So the distance between us and God is huge, infinite. So we cannot really make a meaningful relation with God no matter how hard we try in our spiritual journey toward God.

I pray you can travel to this horizon, Bahman. Right now you appear to not be able to reach it. You need to get to it because there really is an oasis there. You need the water because it gives you life.

I hope you understand now that my post really has more to do with the Original Poster than the Original Post.

Thank you for your pray and wishes.

 

[womanatwell]

I understand your point now. There is a problem here which is related to the fact that we accept God to be infinite whereas consider ourselves to be finite. So the distance between us and God is huge, infinite. So we cannot really make a meaningful relation with God no matter how hard we try in our spiritual journey toward God.

Thank you for your pray and wishes.

No, that is not the interpretation I made. That can be us on the horizon with Him. Please do not say that I said we cannot make a relationship with God when I am saying we can have a relationship. Your answer is not of good faith.

 

[seagal]

I know, most of these threads have questions phrased in the “How many times do you beat your children and wife?” style. Hence my psycho holiday.

Let’s rock.

:dancing:

I went looking for headbanger emiticon and got this
:banghead:

which also seems appropriate in this case

 

[RPRPsych]

:dancing:

I went looking for headbanger emiticon and got this
:banghead:

which also seems appropriate in this case

Very appropriate indeed!

 

[pianistclare]

Bingo!

Bahman: I think you have interesting questions worthy of discussing. But your responses reveal that you are not seeking any answers but your own. What is your goal in all these questioning threads? Do you seek to disprove? You seem to be absolutely closed to any other suggestions or line of reasoning. You shut them all down and want every answer to go down your very narrow line of reasoning to your already-decided conclusion. Or do you just enjoy the mysterious facade?

If I were a moderator I would limit your thread-creation. The threads go nowhere and enrich no one. Frankly, I think it’s unfair to other posters, because the purpose of a forum is to foster honest and fruitful discussion. I do not believe that you are doing either of these. Some would call your behavior “trolling”.

RE: the Bingo! response of Secret Catholic.

I will add UNO!

This post sums up my opinion as well.
I wish the OP all the best, but there is too much time trying to make people prove something that he doesn’t believe or care to experience.
Posting a thread and then not giving any consideration to the various answers from people all over the theological map is really pointless.
One CAN have a relationship with God.
In fact, you already do. He is your creator.
He will decide when you return to Him.
That’s a pretty strong relationship. I for one, would like to have a 2-way convo rather than just a staring out the window type of relationship.
But you already do have a relationship with Him. Whether you acknowledge it or not. If you want to know Him better, get on it. We can’t make that happen for you. It’s all up to you. I fear you’ve decided he’s not necessary, but I could be mistaken. I hope so.
God bless you.

 

[Lion_IRC]

Lion IRC;14001756:

I have a relationship with God.

Bahman must be mistaken about what God can and cannot do.

I am having a relationship with God too. I am looking for an answer that how such a thing is possible given the definition of God.

How is it possible that God can do anything?
LOL

Who is going to stop God from having a relationship with those He loves?

 

[Lion_IRC]

Bahman,

Do you think God can communicate? (I hope your answer is yes, otherwise you suggest God cannot do such a simple thing as make noise and be heard.)
If you agree omnipotent God can communicate, do you agree relationship is possible?

If you are in one room (and cannot see me) and I am in the next room - do you think we can still communicate even without seeing each other? You could talk and I could hear you.
You think relationship is possible?

God can speak to us many ways. Dreams, Angels, Stone tablets, prophetic visions,
…a little baby born in Bethlehem.

 

[vz71]

No. That is impossible since…

In the opening post you defined God with no limits.
Now you seek to limit God.

Non sequitur.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

I don’t understand how your comment is related to the question raised in OP.

Oh it is. It isn’t God who needs to change: it’s us.