He doesnt want to get married in the Church

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But do you think, in all the time they were married, that they NEVER wished they could share their faith with their husbands, or NEVER had any sort of difficulties or problems related to religion?
In any relationship there will always be sadness if some areas are “off limits” whether the area is religion, politics, or something else and whether the relationship is marriage or a close friendship.

Also I think that there can be quite wide gaps when people of the same religion or church have different views. Only need to a few threads here to see this in action.
In a lot of cases the Catholic doing what they are obliged by their faith to do, feels to the other partner like it is being “forced” on them. That causes a lot of tension and strain in a marriage.
And the non-Catholic partner needs to work out both how they feel about this in principle and in practice. And do so without stars in their eyes.

Think for some people things are different when something is a possibility than when it is a reality. So a non-Catholic could sign a declaration they will allow any children to be raised Catholic thinking they feel okay about it but it is only when it is time for the baptism that the reality hits home and they realise the impact of they have agreed to.
I am lucky to have married someone who is not Catholic but has great respect and willingness to learn. He understood my obligations as a Catholic to marry in the church and raise my children in the church. Does the OP’s boyfriend have a similar understanding? It doesn’t seem like it to me. Cruel as it may sound, if this is something that neither of them can compromise on, it may be a “make or break” deal for them.
Agree with the conclusion. Feeling coerced does not strengthen any relationship - especially marriage.
 
Does he know of the Catholic ban on artifical contraception. If not he needs to do so.
Good question. My DH didn’t, but understood once I explained it. He views it as keeping me from polluting my body with fake hormones rather than for moral reasons, but at least the Holy Spirit now has something to work with!
 
Whoa now, who’s projecting? PatienceandLove gave some very good advice, and she speaks with the voice of experience. Hate to sound like a mean old lady (at 23!) but after 5 short months of marriage, I can tell you that being married is WAY different than dating or even being engaged.
And I am old lady of 24 with a year and half of marriage under my belt.
It’s a great feeling, living on the clouds while you’re engaged and thinking “love is all you need.” However, marriage is about making it work in the real world. In marriage the two become one and nothing is merely “personal” anymore.
Too true! What is this idea of personal? Everything becomes fodder for discussion because you have to learn to live with one another- religion, toothpaste squeezing habits, pea-hating, and all.
 
Bulletproof…first off I would like to say that I am sorry that you are in a situation to feel so torn. I am protestant and I am married to a Catholic. Marriage is very tough at times because of the religious differences, but it can work.

I would tell you and also him to not compromise on your religions if you feel that calling to be where you are at and cannot get what you need from each others church. I do agree with the other poster on here that said they are both Christians so what is the problem. However, I can say that I don’t have a problem with the Catholic religion at all. My problem with them came in when I thought of having to sign a paper of what future children would be raised. I would have never asked my husband to do that on my behalf and I was going to sign it on his behalf. As a protestant, I think that is probably one of the many rules your fiance is having problems with and I completely understand his feelings towards those rules. I don’t think his love for you can be based on, “oh if you love me, you will sign this paper or all the rules on the religious part will be made by my Catholic Church”. There are two sides and there is giving and receiving on both sides, so just because he doesn’t give all the giving on those parts doesn’t mean he doesn’t love you, just like if you don’t give doesn’t mean you don’t love him. It is really a bad situation to be in when you fall in love with someone of the different beliefs.

It can be done, but it is so hard at times. There will be things that totally change also when there are children brought into the home. I don’t agree with some here that say you have a choice in who you fall in love with. I believe at the very moment I met my husband it was love and attraction. Of course that love grew and we worked on building that love. I think you then, especially after you marry make a “decision” to stay in that marriage and continue to work on the love. I know for me, gosh, I wouldn’t even wanted to have been in the situation to have to give my husband up (say when we were dating). It would have been like tearing my heart out. So, for these people that act like it is like changing clothes, they have never been in those shoes to make those decisions. However, I do think all things need to be talked out and settled before you marry. But, God can and will bless your marriage, no matter where you get married at.

For the ones of you on here that have put down her fiance because he attends a church that has “good music” and shouting or whatever you all wanted to call it. That is his form and type of worship to God. Lifting his hands and singing, is his worship to God. It is amazing to me that you here think it is strange to have such things. I happen to attend this type of church myself and I can tell you that I love the freedom I feel to worship God without a routine. So no need to bash our form. We don’t bash you for kneeling and making the sign of the cross as worship. BTW, I have been to a Charasmatic Catholic service and they are not much different from what we do in honoring the Holy Spirit…so my question would be, if the Catholics are completely satisfied, then why are most starting to join these other Charasmatic Catholic services that allow them that type worhip that most here have bashed??? So don’t knock something that alot of you are running to get.

God Bless you Bulletproof and the Lord is and will bless you in your home, no matter which decision you and your fianace choose to make, as long as you both keep him first in your life and as far as I am concerned that really doesn’t matter which church it is in.
 
Bulletproof…first off I would like to say that I am sorry that you are in a situation to feel so torn. I am protestant and I am married to a Catholic. Marriage is very tough at times because of the religious differences, but it can work.
Thank you for your post. I think this is what the OP needed. A perspective from a Protestant married to a Catholic so she could see what her boyfriend is going through. She already knows the Catholic side. I guess the reason why I didn’t see a problem in THIS particular case is b/c I was protestant for 23 years and a Catholic for 1 year. So yeah I’m new to all of these “rules”. Two Christians have the best chance at making it work out of all the mixed marriages out there.
 
MUCH easier said than done! This is a HARD decision. I’ve known plenty of mixed marriages that have worked just fine. At least he is a Christian for goodness sakes! It isn’t doomed from the start! So I don’t think she needs to just break up this relationship. She isn’t risking her immortal soul by not being a Catholic. She isn’t going to give up Christ! You don’t go to hell just b/c you are a Protestant and that is what you are implying!!!
Yes, she is risking her soul by not being Catholic. She knows she is a member of the one true church instituted by Christ, receives His Body and Blood in the Sacrament of Communion, and yet she’d be putting a human being before that. You can’t leave the faith (if that’s what she’s contemplating) knowing it is the true church. Also, she is obligated to raise her children Catholic, no matter where she’s married. And what about baptism? Hard as this is, it’s pretty obvious what she should do. I guess she’d need to visit a priest and find out exactly what will happen marrying outside the church, not commiting to raising children Catholic, and whether or not receiving the Sacraments was possible.

ducking…

Glad
 
You must have a very miserable life.
Sorry I came off that way. I’m not such a Debbie Downer in real life, I promise. 🙂 And no, it isn’t all struggle and drama and wah wah poor me in my marriage. Mr. SJG and I get along swimmingly… unless we discuss religion. (Note that we don’t have kids - I shudder to think how much we’d fight if we did!)
Who are you to judge anybody, anyway? Some armchair prophet?
I’m not judging you or anybody else, and once again I’m sorry if I came off that way. I’m just asking you to think before you make the biggest decision of your life. The OP deserves to hear from someone who’s been there and done that.
 
You must have a very miserable life.

My Fiancee is Catholic and I am no longer (Former Catholic), and I love her. According to you, she needs to break up with me? Love is all that matters, everything else is irrelevant. Religion is a personal matter, If two people love each other… so what? Who cares what church your partner goes to? Do everybody a favor and stop projecting your miserable life on other happy people.
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I call BS on this. God is all that matters.

Marriage is about shared values and helping each other get to Heaven. It has nothing to do with mushy-wushy feelings and sentimentality and infatuation.

That’s for teenagers, not for adults entering into a life-long sacramental union.

God Bless
 
I call BS on this. God is all that matters.

Marriage is about shared values and helping each other get to Heaven. It has nothing to do with mushy-wushy feelings and sentimentality and infatuation.

That’s for teenagers, not for adults entering into a life-long sacramental union.

God Bless
Straight talk, honesty, and truth. 👍
 
Sorry I came off that way. I’m not such a Debbie Downer in real life, I promise. 🙂 And no, it isn’t all struggle and drama and wah wah poor me in my marriage. Mr. SJG and I get along swimmingly… unless we discuss religion. (Note that we don’t have kids - I shudder to think how much we’d fight if we did!)

I’m not judging you or anybody else, and once again I’m sorry if I came off that way. I’m just asking you to think before you make the biggest decision of your life. The OP deserves to hear from someone who’s been there and done that.
He was yelling at me, too. :console:
 
One thing to consider is how many eligible men are out there if you toss this one back? That would depend on your age, desired educational level of partner, and region. If you can’t find another potential partner in time then all the concern over any children and their putative religion will be irrelevant anyway.

It sounds like you want to be married in your home church more for sentimental reasons than theological ones. And it sounds like whether your potential children are Catholics will largely be left up to them and you’re fine with that, too.

If that’s the case, then the only other theological stumbling block you might face is if you intend to be true to Humanae Vitae and he’s opposed to it.

If you don’t intend to practice FAM (NFP) or he’s OK with such, then I don’t see why you wouldn’t have a long and happy marriage if you are compatible on other things such as finances and temperament.

The posters here on CAF tend to be very, very Catholic so such a marriage would not be their cup of tea.

In my case, my partner and I both started out as Catholics in our marriage, but I have changed my faith a few times since, finally settling on Judaism and my partner only darkens the door of a Church under duress. We’ve been married for 11 years with no end in sight (unless, of course, I kill him for continuing to toss his socks under the bed).
 
Picture yourself married to this man 10 years from now.

Picture yourself going to every Sunday and Holy Day Mass alone because he refuses to even go near a Catholic Church and your kids would rather go to his church because it’s more fun.

Picture yourself sitting a few rows behind some beautiful Catholic family, where mom, dad, and all the kids attend Mass together all the time and trying to bite back the jealousy.

Picture yourself feeling left out at church functions. Your husband won’t go, so you feel a little uncomfortable with all the married people, and you’re not single, so it’s hard sometimes to relate to the single people.
My mother was catholic, and my dad is baptized Methodist, but he never went to church with us. It was always just my mother and my younger brother and sister and I at mass every Sunday. I know that she was disappointed that my dad didn’t go to church with us, but it was something that she managed to get through and something that I am used to seeing. I go to church by myself all the time, and while I do like going with other people, it doesnt bother me as much.

My mom never met my boyfriend because she died before we started dating. The best advice she ever gave me about men though was that I should marry a man who loves God more than he loves me. She never said he had to be Catholic, though I’m sure at times she wishes my dad was. I don’t believe, as someone else posted, that the husband or father figure is the pillar of religion in the family. My mother was strong enough to be the pillar. If my bf agrees to raise our children Catholic, I could be the pillar as well. My dad practices basically no religion at all, and my boyfriend now at least has a very strong faith, though it is slightly different from my own.

Nothing is set in stone yet. We know that this is something we’re going to have to work through if we want to stay together, and he knows how important it is to me. I recently received a tape of the conversion of Fr.Scott Hahn form a friend and my bf said he would listen to it with me soon, so I’m hoping after we discuss this more and with more prayer he will come around.

Thank you all for your prayers and responses!
 
Two words: deal breaker.

If you want a Catholic home, then you have to marry a Catholic man.

If you don’t care about having a Catholic home, then marry anyone of any faith.

But don’t think you are going to marry a non-Catholic and somehow achieve a Catholic home. You may be able to get your kids baptized, and even take them to Mass, but you will not have a Catholic home.
 
You must have a very miserable life.

My Fiancee is Catholic and I am no longer (Former Catholic), and I love her. According to you, she needs to break up with me? Love is all that matters, everything else is irrelevant. Religion is a personal matter, If two people love each other… so what? Who cares what church your partner goes to? Do everybody a favor and stop projecting your miserable life on other happy people.

Who are you to judge anybody, anyway? Some armchair prophet? Do yourself a favor and step away from the keyboard.
1.) The OP asked for advice in a public forum. You ask for advice, you get it. So yes, it’s a judgment call.
2.) Her fiance does not want to get married in the Church, and does not want to raise the children Catholic. If you were properly catechized, you would know that the Catholic party is obligated to promise to do all he or she can to raise the children as Catholics.
 
This is confusing. In order to be married, be ordained, you must have been confirmed…
I too found that irksome. And when were you ordained, Father or Deacon?

There are SEVEN sacraments in the Church, not two, not five. I venture to say you were baptized, given the opportunity to confess, and received First Holy Communion.

As you claim to be not Catholic now, you should understand that the OP’s fiance told her he does not want to be married in the Catholic Church, despite her desire to be. He does not want his children raised Catholic, which is a required promise of the Catholic party. So she has a choice, either to marry this very inflexible fellow in the manner he selfishly desires, and to raise her children in his ecclesial community while she stifles her own religion; to join his church; or to break it off now, before it goes to the point where she is in misery.
 
Yes, she is risking her soul by not being Catholic. She knows she is a member of the one true church instituted by Christ, receives His Body and Blood in the Sacrament of Communion, and yet she’d be putting a human being before that. You can’t leave the faith (if that’s what she’s contemplating) knowing it is the true church. Also, she is obligated to raise her children Catholic, no matter where she’s married. And what about baptism? Hard as this is, it’s pretty obvious what she should do. I guess she’d need to visit a priest and find out exactly what will happen marrying outside the church, not commiting to raising children Catholic, and whether or not receiving the Sacraments was possible.

ducking…

Glad
SO…All of my protestant family members are going to hell just b/c they aren’t Catholic. That, my friend, is a load of BS. What does the bible say? For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER believeth in him shall NOT PERISH but receive EVERLASTING LIFE. You do NOT have to be Catholic to insure your soul is saved. You have to accept CHrist and follow him, follow his commandments as listed in the New Testament. Catholics receive a fuller experience with Christ but they aren’t the ONLY way to Heaven. You need to reword your statement there.

As for the Grey 007 dude. I’m sure he meant no harm and misspoke when he said he received the sacraments but of course you had to ignore what he was trying to say and just focus on the one little mistake and judge and nitpick!

You guys need to grow up and show Christian charity. If all Catholics were like some of you I would be ashamed to call myself one. I personally didn’t mean to offend anyone in my earlier posts but I was sharing my opinion and defending myself. But this level of attacking is ridiculous.
 
Another Catholic married to a non-Catholic here. We’re going on 10 years for the record.

First off, I commend you for discussing this before the marriage and for looking for advice. 🙂
Recently, my boyfriend and I have been discussing the possibility of getting married. I am Catholic; he is non-denominational Christian. He has been supportive of me in my faith and has gone to church with me several times, and I have gone with him as well, however he makes it obvious that there are things about the Catholic Church that he is uncomfortable with. He dislikes all of the “rules” and the formality of the mass and does not understand why you must be Catholic to receive the Eucharist. At his church, people dance and sing and are much more enthusiastic about their praise than he sees at mass.

Anyway, I told him I always wanted to get married in my home church, because that is where my parents were married and where I grew up, etc. He was fine with all of that, until I told him that by being married in the Catholic Church, we would have to promise to raise our children Catholic as well.
Deal breaker here!!! As a Catholic you are obligated to raise the children up in the Faith. What happens when you have that discussion with your priest during Pre-Cana and he ask your boyfriend if he has a problem with you raising the children Catholic? I remember our priest asking dh and I this question. Do you honestly think the priest will tell you to go ahead and get married when your boyfriend says he does not want his children raised in the Faith?
This is the biggest issue here. I know we could get a dispensation and get married in a different church if he really insisted upon it, however the issue of how to raise the children in their faith still remains.
Do not automatically assume that it will be this easy to get a dispensation to marry outside the Church. What happens if you apply and are denied?
I know some of you may be thinking that if he truly loved me and truly wanted to be with me, he would be willing to do that for me, yet I cannot ask him to go against his faith either. This is a serious issue that has come up. I cant imagine life without him or finding another partner simply because we cannot agree on which religion to raise our children. I would be willing to compromise and take our children to both churches and allow them to choose which religion they would like to be a part of when they are older, however I would still like them to receive the sacraments.
I don’t believe that you have to be Catholic to go to heaven. I believe that if you find in your heart **the faith that best suits you **and that you feel is the best way for you to demonstrate your love of God and to do His will accordingly, then that is the religion you should be. For me, however, I feel that Catholicism is my answer.
:dts: Having faith is not like buying a pair of shoes. You faith should not conform to you. YOU should conform to your faith. In other words you should be willing to conform yourself to the will of God, not vice versa. We are called to become more like Christ. Christ does not become more like us.
Basically, I don’t know what to do. I feel that this issue is standing in the way of me getting my happily ever after…and yes, it is a big issue. However, I cannot choose who I fall in love with. He is a good man (despite his disinclination towards the Church). He has a good family and would make a wonderfully loving father someday. I’m just at a loss for how to handle this without giving up my faith completely.
Thank you all and sorry that this is so long!
That is exactly what women in abusive situations say and it is how they end up trapped. This is not true! Love is an action, it is a choice, a decision that you make. It is not something that just blindly happens. You have the choice to either stay with this man or to let him go.

The key to a successful Catholic, non-Catholic marriage is the willingness and openness to learning about the respective Faiths. If he is not willing and open to learning about your Faith then I would say don’t marry him. Despite the fact that he has not converted my dh has an openness and willingness to learn.

Forgive me, but I don’t agree with your mother’s advice, God bless her soul. There are many Christians out there that truly love God but they do not have any respect and are decidely AGAINST the Catholic Church. Do you think your dearly departed mother would want you to marry an anti-Catholic who had no respect and had an actual hatred for your Faith even though they loved God and where a Christian?

There are a number of non-Christians out there that have far more respect for the Catholic Church than many Christians do. For myself personally, I would far rather my daughter be with a non-Christian who respects her Faith and was open to learning about it, than for her to be with a Christian who had no respect for her Faith even though he has an enormous love for God.

According to your last post and I see that your boyfriend is willing to listen to the Catholic perspective aka though Scott Hahn. This is a plus! 🙂 But if he still does not want the children raised Catholic after learning about some of the Church’s teaching then I don’t think you should marry him. How the children will be raised really is important.
 
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