Head coverings..poorly disguised boasting?

[SnorterLuster]

cargopilot:

That’s why you’ll never see my wife ever wear one to mass. Even though she really, really wants to, she won’t, because the cost is simply too high.

Just take her to a TLM mass. At our chapel there are veils in the back in case you forgot yours. You don’t even have to buy one. Who knows, she might like it well enough to go ahead and wear a veil at your regular parish.

 

[kaymart]

Whetever or not a woman wears a head covering is a personal choice. It’s not required anymore. I myself have not put one on my head since High School (graduated in 1974)-I am not being vain but, I have been blessed with beautiful Golden Blonde hair and at 49 I don’t have a single grey strand in it. To me, like people who sing to The Lord with the beautiful voice he has given him/her. Why not thank HIM for the beautiful hair only God can make? Now what is more important today is proper attire for Mass, this on the other hand is out of control. Whatever happened to wearing your “Sunday Best” at Sunday Mass??? If it became a rule again I would faithfully follow, till then bare head for me. But I respect and would never critized any woman who would like to wear one.

 

[netmilsmom]

Let’s look at this issue another way, friends.

Take an innovation not approved by the Vatican, the orans position.

Many are questioning the motivations of those who would like to wear a veil. Many would be RABID about including this innovation of the Orans in the liturgy. A priestly gesture.

I would just like to say that my mother and my Grandmother wore chapel caps. There are pictures of women in my 150 year old church wearing veils. This is a traditional Catholic thing to do. I am a Christian, but a Catholic Christian. I like to do what is traditionally Catholic to show what I am. A lace Mantilla is one of those symbols that says, “Catholic”.
If I wanted to be an Evangelical Christian, I would.

So lets take this from a historical point of view. If I wear a Mantiilla, I am Catholic. If I don’t, I’m still Catholic. Why feel a need to question why? If anyone can show me that wearing a Lace Mantilla is for anyone else but a lay woman in the liturgy, I’ll pitch mine.

I look at the people who wave their arms, hold hands and do the Orans with the priest to be looking for a way to be more pious than the rest of us…Hmmmmm.

And the title of this thread is great! Put Orans in and I would love it even more.

 

[netmilsmom]

rayne89:

I think those that post about head coverings are looking for support and courage from others who either are wearing them or are considering the idea. Yes there are some who are militant about it, but I think most feel it’s something between them and Jesus. No one wants to be judged, and if you’re doing something different from the majority that’s likely to happen.

I have considered it for a while, I do not want those around me thinking that I feel I am more pious then they are and I do not want to be a distraction. In addition it’s something I’ve never done before which makes me somewhat self conscious, and I don’t it to be a distraction to my own focus at Mass.

I would love for it to be the norm, then I would do it in heart beat. I fully believe the latest thread on head coverings was about seeking support and encouragement for the who feel called to this particular practice.

Don’t you wish we could get all the Veil Ladies to Cyril’s?
Could you imagine all of us at the 1:30 Mass? I think they would feel much better.

 

[puzzleannie]

NOBODY CARES

wear anything you like on your head, including your hair. what really burns me, this happened when we took Jr High to all souls Mass last year, was someone wearing a veil telling some of the girls wearing baseball caps to take their hats off in Church because it is disrespectful. These young ladies are definitely feminine, no chance of mistake in gender. Evidently someone has forgotten the purpose of hats, which is head covering. If you are obsessing about the type of head covering you need to get your priorities straight, get a good video or book about the Mass and recall why you are there in the first place.

 

[Lucania]

kamz:

I do care that my kids are very impressionable right now and I have to ask myself, how will I explain this or that and if a bunch of women show up in veils one Sunday when there had never been before, my kids would want to know why and I really would not know what to tell them because although I’m sure there are many people who do it all for the right reasons there are just as many who do it for “look at me reasons” and my kids are the type that would point and be whispering etc. they have only seen the sspx members wear veils as we see them go to church from our home and my daughter said, why do they do that and I told her, they are not in line with the Pope right now, they don’t accept the teachings of the Catholic church of now but of old days and ways and if I wanted that life for my kids we would be sspx members but I don’t want that for them.

How will you explain it to your children? How about that it was always the norm until about 40 years ago and some women never stopped wearing a head covering and that other women are called to wear one for their own personal reasons? Pretty simple to me. I do not wear a head covering but have thought about it. I don’t judge those who do or don’t. Those who wear head coverings should not be lumped into the category of SSPX , that is an unfair generalization. If that is what you have told your children then it is wrong in my opinion. We don’t know the reasons anyone wears a head covering anymore then one knows what the reasons are that someone comes to Mass. We do not know what is in anyones heart and we shouldn’t presume to know. For example, I receive the Eucharist on the tongue. To me it’s more reverent. I don’t judge others who receive in the hand, it’s a personal choice. If as you say that your kids are the type that would point out and be whispering, I think that a discussion about proper behavior at Mass is in order. I don’t know the ages of your children but after it happened once, it would not happen again in my family. Everyone is indeed entitled to their opinion. I can’t see what the harm is in a woman wearing a head covering I think this head covering issue is much to do about nothing. Now, immodest dressing: short skirts, short shorts, midriff shirts, plunging necklines, tee-shirts with obscene writing etc. that’s another subject:banghead:
Peace

 

[Penny_Plain]

JCPhoenix:

My mother taught me over and over as a child…when you point a finger at someone, you have 4 pointing back at yourself.

Your mother was wrong. When you point a finger at somebody else, you have three pointing back at yourself and the thumb pointing kind of off to the side.

That being said, WHO CARES?

I don’t wear a veil. I probably never will. I really don’t care whether the person sitting next to me does or not because I’m not at Mass to think about them or comment on how they’re dressed.

By the way, I feel the same way about the guys who are on here from time to time whining about how “immodestly dressed” women are distracting them at Mass. If it bothers you, don’t look. If you can’t stop from looking, sit in the front row. Wear a blindfold. Shut your eyes.

Clothes are clothes. If you feel called by God to wear a veil, then wear a veil. None of my business. If you feel called by God to wear a 3-piece suit, then wear a 3-piece suit. If you’re a woman and you feel called by God to wear a baseball cap (or feel, maybe, that God has more important things to think about than headwear), then wear a baseball cap. If you feel called by God to wear a rainbow sash, then, yeah, wear a rainbow sash.

Let’s keep some focus, here. The important thing is that we all wear pants. Or skirts. Or maybe a kilt. Or this nice sarong my friend brought back for me from Malaysia last year. Or a sari…

FOCUS, Penny. FOCUS.

 

[kaymart]

I have the best Idea of all FOCUS on the Mass and never mind looking around and see who is wearing a head covering or not. Think about it. What is really important? If it bothers you so much wear your head covering, sit up front and don’t turn around. You will not see them until they come up for Commuion and if you are thinking about veils instead of the Holy Euchrist at that time, you got bigger problems.:ehh:

 

[jimmy]

kamz:

I am truely sorry you feel this way, I am not attacking you but I do belive just as there is a thread called “lets wear our veils to church on Oct2” there can be a thread for us who don’t wear veils to have a discussion. I"m not going into the other thread anymore, I don’t care if you want to wear a veil but I do care that my kids are very impressionable right now and I have to ask myself, how will I explain this or that and if a bunch of women show up in veils one Sunday when there had never been before, my kids would want to know why and I really would not know what to tell them because although I’m sure there are many people who do it all for the right reasons there are just as many who do it for “look at me reasons” and my kids are the type that would point and be whispering etc. they have only seen the sspx members wear veils as we see them go to church from our home and my daughter said, why do they do that and I told her, they are not in line with the Pope right now, they don’t accept the teachings of the Catholic church of now but of old days and ways and if I wanted that life for my kids we would be sspx members but I don’t want that for them. I’m just very, very grateful our parish doesn’t have any veil wearing folks, not even the nuns, oh on this or that occasion they might but not very often.
I’m sorry you don’t think I have a right to voice my opinion but I really feel my opinion is just as important as yours.
I mean you no harm at all and I did not start this post, I reposted someone else’s post since they put it in the wrong area and were told, we are not listening to this here.
Peace
by the way, this was in reply to JC Phoniex

I think your original post had some valid points and can’t just be ignored, but I disagree with this post wholeheartedly. You portray wearing a veil as being an impediment. Is there a problem with a woman wearing a veil? You mention, the sspx wearing veils and you tell your daughter it is because, “they are not in line with the pope”. That is not a valid reason to say they wear a veil. If you go to an indult mass, you will see many women wearing veils and every one of them is in line with the pope. There are women at other parishes that wear veils that are in line with the pope. You portray the act as being impious in itself. There is no reason to put a blanket statement on all those who wear veils.

You say you do not want to have to explain to your daughter why some women wear veils. Do you explain why some women wear very immodest clothing as an above poster said? There would be nothing wrong with people deciding to do a pious act like wearing a veil. If your daughter asks why someone is wearing a veil, all you need to say is, “it is a pious act for the Lord.”

Now, are there those who do it for impious reasons? Yes, I would agree with you. I don’t think that anyone should go around posting about it with the idea “look at what I am doing”. I think that most people have a problem with pride in some ways but we have to control it. I know I get attacks of pride sometimes, hoping that someone might comment on something I did or said. And I know I am wrong when I get a thought like this, so I try to get it out of my mind. My point is that we are all guilty of sin, be careful not to be hipocritical because you can not read anyone elses heart and you also may be guilty of the same sin you are condemning.

 

[robertaf]

JCPhoenix:

Can we just retire this topic?

Mods?

Let’s let the waters cool for awhile. In the past it was the Charismatic movement which took all the heat…and now it has shifted to veils.

Historically, it was the CCR which had threads posted and the questions being asked of the original posters are the same old accusations of spiritual pride, no place in the Church,…etc.

This stuff has all the same facets of previous topics, and nothing new will be said than has already been said.

I move we retire this topic NOW rather than keep the vitriol moving.

Whether people like it or not I will wear my veil. If I am attacked by someeon at my parish and look for support, I will come here to look for fellow Catholics with the same devotion.

If I am praying the rosary at a “liberal” parish and looked at oddly, I will come here to talk about it. (This has happened…unfortunately this forum was not in existance at that time).

The OP in this case refers to “general” things but tellingly uses the veil in the thread title. Obviously you know who you will attract. I am guilty of being attracted…so I guess you caught your moth for the night.

Give it a rest. People are not going to change because you accuse them. People are not going to stop posting their questions and the idea that someone is posting out of some kind of spiritual pride, quite honestly, is between that person and God and for no one else to judge.

We are to judge actions, not motivations of actions.

We are to portray mercy…what would Jesus have to say about all of this? He woudl be calling us all pits of vipers for even discussing it further! And he’d be right, no matter what side of the issue we’re on!

So LET IT GO! PLEASE!

Let’s cool this whole thing off and bring it up in a few weeks!

I plan to be as low key on this topic as I can.
I do think you might be missing the point, however.

It is a whole mindset, not just where it involves Charismatics or wearing a veil.

If you go through all the different threads, you will find *many (*not all) of the same folks who claim they are demonstrating humility and submission by wearing a veil, and charging some of us who do not with lack of charity are far from humble and charitible to others when it comes to holding hands during the Our Father, the orans position, the sign of peace and many other things they consider abuse. It isn’t just attacks on charismatics it is attacks on anything they disagree about.

I would be delighted if everyone could leave these things, including veils, communion on the tongue, kneeling for communion and every one of these different areas in the hands of the local Bishop and Priests and most of all in Our Lords most Perfect and Capable hands but, if you read on, you will find out it just doesn’t happen that way.

 

[kamz]

Obviously, there’s nothing wrong with any of these practices. Why, then, create a post announcing your habit? Do you really want feedback or do you want us all to know that you are, for all appearances, a very holy person? If you believe that what you’re doing is right, then keep doing it; no one’s opinions should stop you. If you believe it might be ostentatious or uncharitable, then don’t do it. Regardless, if it’s not an obvious ethical matter, then it’s simply between you and God and it doesn’t require, to paraphrase the Gospels, a trumpet announcement in the streets.

Again, just to point out this main part of the thread I posted to begin with, that is all the original writer (who was not me by the way) was asking, just that, can anyone answer the above question without anything else added??

 

[Celia]

Maybe the other thread was created for people who are interested in wearing a veil and felt weird about doing it, and they wanted to give them support to try it if they feel called. What the heck is wrong with that? I highly doubt it was a “look at us, we’re more pious than you” thing. This is a Catholic board, and wearing a veil is a Catholic tradition, as another poster mentioned. People start threads on how often you pray the rosary and other such things and this boasting idea never was mentioned. Just my :twocents:

 

[bear06]

kamz:

thanks Malia, I will keep that in mind.

My 12 year old daughter is very impressionable is all I’m saying, she freaks when she sees women in tube tops, low cut jeans, or anything that doesn’t cover a body, she is very modest.

Anyways…the point is…for those who want to cover their head at mass, that is their right, just like a person has a right to dress in almost nothing and go to mass…that is their right…do I have to agree with their choice? Of course not and they don’t have to agree with mine…we are given free will, we are all humans with our own thoughts and ideas of what works for us and we are all going to differ in our opinions…that said, again, I did not write the original post, I copied and pasted it, I did so because although I did not agree with all of it, I did think it had some valid points that could be discussed and I don’t know what is wrong with that…discussing differing opinions?? I thought that is what these boards were about and hopefully we can all learn a little too.
Peace

What is the big deal with a veil? It’s not immodest. Would you have a problem with a hat? Has your daughter actually asked why people where veils? It just seems that a simple answer would be that our Church used to say that we should, they’ve loosed this requirement so we don’t have to but these women probably think it helps them remember that they are in God’s presence. You don’t have to go onto say that some might be doing it for this reason, some might be doing it for that reason, etc. If there is no immorality associated with a choice and the Church hasn’t forbidden it then why should we have a problem with it? This is every bit as bad as those who go around saying that we non-head covering folks are disobeying God for not wearing one.

 

[bear06]

robertaf:

I plan to be as low key on this topic as I can.
I do think you might be missing the point, however.

It is a whole mindset, not just where it involves Charismatics or wearing a veil.

If you go through all the different threads, you will find *many (*not all) of the same folks who claim they are demonstrating humility and submission by wearing a veil, and charging some of us who do not with lack of charity are far from humble and charitible to others when it comes to holding hands during the Our Father, the orans position, the sign of peace and many other things they consider abuse. It isn’t just attacks on charismatics it is attacks on anything they disagree about.

I would be delighted if everyone could leave these things, including veils, communion on the tongue, kneeling for communion and every one of these different areas in the hands of the local Bishop and Priests and most of all in Our Lords most Perfect and Capable hands but, if you read on, you will find out it just doesn’t happen that way.

Remember me, non-veil wearer? I think that you’re missing the point. I don’t think it’s fair to paint all veil wearers with the same brush. There are actually some out there who do are doing this as a reminder to THEMSELVES to be more submissive and humble. If it helps them do this, let them.

Yes, there are some out there that tell you that you are not following God because you are not wearing a veil. I’ve had it happen to me on more than one occasion. These are people that we pity. We shouldn’t be turning around and judging others just because they wear a veil. This is basically what the devil wants. Yes, there is division in our Church. This doesn’t mean that we should be part of it because someone else has done something stupid or offended us. There’s something about “Do unto others…”
There seems to be people paint non-head covered people with the same brush. There has been many a suggestion that non-head covered people don’t care about abuses or liberalism. Yes, many times there is baiting. Don’t fall for it!

 

[netmilsmom]

bear06:

There seems to be people paint non-head covered people with the same brush. There has been many a suggestion that non-head covered people don’t care about abuses or liberalism. Yes, many times there is baiting. Don’t fall for it!

Some of this comes from your personal experience and not these boards. Just as my personal experience is that anything traditional Catholic = BAD. Anything innovative = GOOD.

I know that non-head covering people care about abuses, but not a woman here who wants to cover her head has stated that everyone should be doing it and not a single one has, as a part of a liturgical commitee, insisted that this is the right thing to do.
However, in my old church people were discouraged from those things traditional, such as a rosary before mass and encouraged to bring in innovations, such as telling us that repetitive prayer is outdated.

This is why I use the word “innovations” with things such as Hand Holding and Orans. They are not abuses but not everyone wants
them. If I had not seen “innovators” take my much loved parish down in 4 years, I would not be so militant. It will be closed by our Diocese in the next year because so many people left.

If we were offered a mass where we could say our rosary, say the prayer to St. Michael, genuflect, cover our heads etc. without being told, this is not the way it is, get used to it (and I was personally told that), this would solve a multitude of problems. But in very many cases, there is a place for the innovators and not for the traditionalists.

These threads prove it. How many of these women would like to cover their heads, for whatever reason (mine being different from others) who will not? They are pegged as uber-pious and questioned of motivation. Not one of them stated that any other woman should.

Perhaps this whole problem will go away one day, but for now if any lady would like to cover her head in a NO parish and are in the MI area, come to Assumption Grotto or St. Cyril and Methodius in Sterling Heights. Not every woman covers her head but you will feel at home.

 

[jmg]

Wow!!

What a thread! I like to share what happened to me.
I was born in 1961. I did not know TLM. I did not know pre-vatican ideals.
I have gotten to know all this within the last 5 years through studying my faith.
15 years ago, I began a conversion in my Catholic faith and it is a daily submission. I give my whole self for Our Lord and He will always test that.
Only two years ago, Our Lord asked me to cover my head in His
presence. I paniced!! That is not what women do today! People will think I am protesting Vatican II, it will cause attention to myself, I don’t have head coverings.
A million fears ran through my head. It took me about a year to finally get over my fears and I went ahead. No one has criticized or asked me what I was doing. My niece, mother in law and sister supported me and I was greatful.
It was only a short while till I felt really comfortable, and then the blessings began to pour in.
I am overwhelmed at the goodness of Our Lord. I am thankful the Church does not require head covering, because women would wear it not for the love of God, they would do it grudgingly and then they would miss the blessings.
Truely, the bigger issue here for women is modest dress. Our Lord is more concerned about humility and purity in dress. When we listen to Him in that way, He will move on.
Kamz is correct in that, if you don’t feel called to wear a head piece, then don’t. There should never be bickering over should we or shouldn’t we. Who is and who isn’t.
The most important thing is to listen to Jesus. If calls you to wear one, please do it. Take any rudeness with joy.
If He has not called you to wear one, then don’t. You maybe wearing for the wrong reasons.
Peace to you all.

 

[Lorrie]

Celia:

Maybe the other thread was created for people who are interested in wearing a veil and felt weird about doing it, and they wanted to give them support to try it if they feel called. What the heck is wrong with that? I highly doubt it was a “look at us, we’re more pious than you” thing. This is a Catholic board, and wearing a veil is a Catholic tradition, as another poster mentioned. People start threads on how often you pray the rosary and other such things and this boasting idea never was mentioned. Just my :twocents:

Thank you.

 

[bear06]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Some of this comes from your personal experience and not these boards. Just as my personal experience is that anything traditional Catholic = BAD. Anything innovative = GOOD.

I know that non-head covering people care about abuses, but not a woman here who wants to cover her head has stated that everyone should be doing it and not a single one has, as a part of a liturgical commitee, insisted that this is the right thing to do.
However, in my old church people were discouraged from those things traditional, such as a rosary before mass and encouraged to bring in innovations, such as telling us that repetitive prayer is outdated.

This is why I use the word “innovations” with things such as Hand Holding and Orans. They are not abuses but not everyone wants
them. If I had not seen “innovators” take my much loved parish down in 4 years, I would not be so militant. It will be closed by our Diocese in the next year because so many people left.

If we were offered a mass where we could say our rosary, say the prayer to St. Michael, genuflect, cover our heads etc. without being told, this is not the way it is, get used to it (and I was personally told that), this would solve a multitude of problems. But in very many cases, there is a place for the innovators and not for the traditionalists.

These threads prove it. How many of these women would like to cover their heads, for whatever reason (mine being different from others) who will not? They are pegged as uber-pious and questioned of motivation. Not one of them stated that any other woman should.

Perhaps this whole problem will go away one day, but for now if any lady would like to cover her head in a NO parish and are in the MI area, come to Assumption Grotto or St. Cyril and Methodius in Sterling Heights. Not every woman covers her head but you will feel at home.

I agree that this has a lot to do with personal experiences. That said, I don’t think personal experiences should make us paint everyone with the same brush which is exactly what many are complaining about. In fact, it’s exactly what you are complaining about. To say that not one person covering their head has said it is wrong not to do so is being a little intellectually dishonest. Posts like this prove it:

Props to you! You no longer bring shame to your head, as do the women whopray with it uncovered.

This is just one such post. I’ve been here awhile and I’ve seen my share of uncharitable posts on both sides of this issue.

Now some go on to say that the Bible mandates head coverings. What exactly is meant by this? It’s almost as if those who do not wear a veil are going against the Bible. If this is not what’s meant, then why post it? Yes, the Bible mandated many things. The most important is that the Pope is the one who gets to decide which disciplines are binding and which are not.

 

[robertaf]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Some of this comes from your personal experience and not these boards. Just as my personal experience is that anything traditional Catholic = BAD. Anything innovative = GOOD.

I know that non-head covering people care about abuses, but not a woman here who wants to cover her head has stated that everyone should be doing it and not a single one has, as a part of a liturgical commitee, insisted that this is the right thing to do.
However, in my old church people were discouraged from those things traditional, such as a rosary before mass and encouraged to bring in innovations, such as telling us that repetitive prayer is outdated.

This is why I use the word “innovations” with things such as Hand Holding and Orans. They are not abuses but not everyone wants
them. If I had not seen “innovators” take my much loved parish down in 4 years, I would not be so militant. It will be closed by our Diocese in the next year because so many people left.

If we were offered a mass where we could say our rosary, say the prayer to St. Michael, genuflect, cover our heads etc. without being told, this is not the way it is, get used to it (and I was personally told that), this would solve a multitude of problems. But in very many cases, there is a place for the innovators and not for the traditionalists.

These threads prove it. How many of these women would like to cover their heads, for whatever reason (mine being different from others) who will not? They are pegged as uber-pious and questioned of motivation. Not one of them stated that any other woman should.

Perhaps this whole problem will go away one day, but for now if any lady would like to cover her head in a NO parish and are in the MI area, come to Assumption Grotto or St. Cyril and Methodius in Sterling Heights. Not every woman covers her head but you will feel at home.

Greetings

Your post really touched me. I am saddened by what you have gone through in your Parish. I have seen a parish split in the past, not for these same reasons or even similar ones but split it was. It didn’t go so far as to be closed down but there was awful damage done. I was aghast by how unkind folks can be to each other, all being Catholic. It does leave serious wounds and I imagine they can take a long time to heal.

I can understand why you take a strong position, now.

If I have in any way made your life more uncomfortable or have been a stumbling block to you, Spiritually, I do repent of it, apologize and ask your forgiveness.

 

[tcay584]

kamz:

Poorly disguised boasting?

I’m curious about the proliferation of topics in which the poster announces that he or she performs such-and-such pious action or habit, and then asks all of us what we think about it. ie. “I pray this many times a day, I lower my head when I see liturgical abuses, I wear a mantilla,” etc.

Obviously, there’s nothing wrong with any of these practices. Why, then, create a post announcing your habit? Do you really want feedback or do you want us all to know that you are, for all appearances, a very holy person? If you believe that what you’re doing is right, then keep doing it; no one’s opinions should stop you. If you believe it might be ostentatious or uncharitable, then don’t do it. Regardless, if it’s not an obvious ethical matter, then it’s simply between you and God and it doesn’t require, to paraphrase the Gospels, a trumpet announcement in the streets.

Some topics are just “curiosity” polls and some involve real discussions where a question of moral conduct is debated, and I don’t refer to either of these. But quite a few topics are formulated in a way that doesn’t invite discussion at all, but seems to involve mere spiritual boasting.

Please believe I intend to attack no one. Really. And I don’t mean to appoint myself supervisor of post-appropriateness. But I’m just so puzzled by these topics. Any thoughts? Have I misunderstood them completely?

Newsong, hope you don’t mind that I cut and pasted this to it’s own thread, I know you posted it to the "let’s wear a veil on Sunday thread but I think it deserves it’s own thread for discussion.

I think there are alot of “interesting” posts on subjects that people already know the answer to. “Is solitary sin OK” " Can I smoke pot" “Do I really have to attend Sunday Mass for God to love me” “Do I need to wear a Mantilla”, etc.
Some people are just looking…asking for someone to give them an answer, and I think they deserve it. There’s so much mis-information these days that I think folks just want a straight answer.
The question isn’t so important as the motive behind the question. If someone asks a “dumb” question…well, take a second to try and find out why it’s being asked.
I don’t think anyone here is trying to be “Holier than thou” (because you know you can’t be …holier than me, that is…I mean…come on).
We are all sinners…every single one of us. I am no better than you and you are no better than me. If you wish to wear a mantilla…great (I think they’re lovely). If not…great. I don’t care. Really now…how many of us take the time to look at others at Mass (When we’re supposed to be focusing on God) and go “Well, Ellie May…you just wouldn’t believe what Norma Sue was wearing…”). If you do…weeeellllll… shame on you, Beryl!