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netmilsmom
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Right now in my parish, we form a line, walk up to a kneeler, kneel down, the priest or deacon take a host, dip into the small cup in the middle of each dish then place it on the tongue.
Not so hard, is it?
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Not so hard, is it?
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Dr.Bombay
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Ya got me, bub. Why does God do anything He does? I’ll ask Him when I see Him.
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Celia
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Dr. Bombay:
I don’t even like shaking strange hands during the sign of peace. Oh boy. I think I might haul out my Purell next Sunday with Contemplative. Yikes.
smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_3_13.gif That is so disgusting. Oh, ew. I don’t usually recieve from the chalice anyway, because of the germs but now I’m going to think about skin and mouth scabs. Ughhh
I don’t even like shaking strange hands during the sign of peace. Oh boy. I think I might haul out my Purell next Sunday with Contemplative. Yikes.
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mgy100
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In the local Roman Catholic diocese intinction is forbidden.
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allhers
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Feanaro's Wife:
(what reasons are you suggesting that I reconcile with God?
You’re forgiven! I read your link, did you read my post after it?
(what reasons are you suggesting that I reconcile with God?
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palmas85
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
I honestly believe intinction should be the only way to receive under both species. I wonder why it is not more widely practiced? Maybe it has something to do with not needing armies of extraordinary ministers under that system.
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Confiteor
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You CAN get sick this way, no question. Whether it happens to YOU on a particular occasion depends on a lot of factors. Maybe your immune system --one of the ways in which we are wonderfully made–is strong enough to protect you. Many people have compromised immune systems, either chronically or temporalily and will become ill, some very ill.
It is NOT inconsistent with believing in the Real Presence in the Chalice to acknowledge that it is also one of the ways in which disease can be spread. If you ask a devout priest who also has a common sense knowledge of how communicable disease is transmitted, he will confirm this for you.
Someone made a very good point about the sign of peace also transmitting germs…Absolutely true, and one of the reasons why people in many parishes are generally encouraged to nod and NOT shake hands during flu seasons. In some parishes, this has remained the most common practice.
While it is admirable to refrain from receiving from the Chalice or shaking hands when you are ill, this is one of those situations where I would not want to be dependent on someone else’s discretion.
It is NOT inconsistent with believing in the Real Presence in the Chalice to acknowledge that it is also one of the ways in which disease can be spread. If you ask a devout priest who also has a common sense knowledge of how communicable disease is transmitted, he will confirm this for you.
Someone made a very good point about the sign of peace also transmitting germs…Absolutely true, and one of the reasons why people in many parishes are generally encouraged to nod and NOT shake hands during flu seasons. In some parishes, this has remained the most common practice.
While it is admirable to refrain from receiving from the Chalice or shaking hands when you are ill, this is one of those situations where I would not want to be dependent on someone else’s discretion.
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Sean_O_L
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Spiritblows wrote:
Professor C.K. Broughton had a letter published in “Annals Australasia” - which is an Australian publication by the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart, and which has been continuously published for over 100 years. The legendary “Radio Replies” Dr. Leslie Rumble, M.S.C. was one of the past Editors.
Professor Broughton’s article was written in the August 1996 issue and may be viewed at jloughnan.tripod.com/hygiene.htm
This article was written in 1993 - and, certainly, is relevant.
Professor C.K. Broughton had a letter published in “Annals Australasia” - which is an Australian publication by the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart, and which has been continuously published for over 100 years. The legendary “Radio Replies” Dr. Leslie Rumble, M.S.C. was one of the past Editors.
Professor Broughton’s article was written in the August 1996 issue and may be viewed at jloughnan.tripod.com/hygiene.htm
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contemplative
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I talked with my DH about this last night ( he hasn’t received from the cup in years). He suggested that priests are either too lazy or careless. He thinks priests simply don’t want to do one more little step.
I can’t see how this one extra measure would be that much more difficult to do. No extra people would be neccesary. The usual cup person could stand beside the priest. The line would not be any slower. The extra work would involve dipping the Host into the cup and placing the Host on the tongue. If someone could not take from the cup (wine) then they could simply say so.
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Elzee
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When I asked about intinction, one of our priests says it is not considered a valid form of Communion because Christ commanded us to ‘take and *drink’. *
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contemplative
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Sean O L:
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"What we do know is that a number of human pathogens can be present in saliva or on the lips and that such pathogens can be transmitted to others by means of fomites, that is, inanimate objects contaminated by such pathogens. Amongst such agents can be mentioned Herpes simplex virus types 1 and 2, Epstein Barr virus (the cause of glandular fever), secondary syphilis, chickenpox virus, various enteroviruses, hepatitis A, B and C viruses, HIV, the diptheria bacillus, haemolytic Streptococcus group A (the cause of acute tonsillitis and sometimes scarlet fever), Candida albicans (the cause of thrush), Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Mycrobacterium leprae, influenza virus, corona and rhino viruses (cause of the common cold), and there are others. The risk of contamination is not confined to the rim of the vessel: small amounts of saliva enter the interior of the vessel and mix with the sacramental wine. There results a soup of organisms.
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contemplative
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bologna & hogwash
Priests and Deacons can do intinction. We (laypeople) can’t do it.
On 26 June 1970 Pope Paul VI approved, confirmed and ordered to be made public an Instruction, Sacramentali Communione, written by the Congregation for Divine Worship. It included:
Among the ways of communicating prescribed by the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, receiving from the chalice itself ranks first. Even so, it is to be chosen only when everything can be carried out in fitting order and with no danger of irreverence toward the blood of Christ. When they are available, other priests or deacons or even acolytes should be chosen to present the chalice. The method of communicating in which the communicants pass the chalice to one another or go directly to the chalice to take Christ’s blood must be regarded as unacceptable.
Whenever none of the ministers already mentioned is available, if the communicants are few and are to receive communion under both kinds by drinking directly from the chalice, the priest himself distributes communion, first under the form of bread, then under the form of wine.
Otherwise the preference should be for the rite of communion under both kinds by intinction: it is more likely to obviate the practical difficulties and to ensure the reverence due the sacrament more effectively. Intinction makes access to communion under both kinds easier and safer for the faithful of all ages and conditions; at the same time it preserves the truth present in the more complete sign." (Documents on the Liturgy, n. 2115).
I say that 35 years later we understand better the dangers of drinking from a common cup and we need to get with it and make intinction the general rule rather than the exception.
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MaryB23
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Please excuse me while I laugh…
That could have been me
sanitizing my hands.
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I have a small Purell bottle in my purse and I pull it out if one of my kids sneezes all over me. There’s no warning and no way to get a tissue up to their face. I try to be discreet about it when I do use it.
That could have been me
sanitizing my hands.[/quote]
I have a small Purell bottle in my purse and I pull it out if one of my kids sneezes all over me. There’s no warning and no way to get a tissue up to their face. I try to be discreet about it when I do use it.
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netmilsmom
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Perhaps your Priest needs a copy of the GIRM
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The Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon. (GIRM §245)
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netmilsmom
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All I have to say is
Backwash
Thank you Dr. Bombay!
Backwash
Thank you Dr. Bombay!
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Confiteor
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Intinction may be relatively safer, but it depends on saliva not being transferred by the priest/EMHC from communicant to communicant. This is probably partly a function of training and experience on the part of both communicants and ministers of communion (It is yet another argument against the army of EMHC in some parishes.). From the article, “Bacteria on the Common Communion Cup”:
Intinction, the act of dipping bread into wine before ingestion by the communicant, has been offered as a safer means of taking the eucharist. One recent review article notes that this method could result in the transmission of saliva between communicants [4].
annals.org/cgi/content/full/118/7/572-b
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contemplative
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This is true. Before the transition to Communion by hand and cup I remember thinking that I saw the priest’s fingers touch the big soft tongues of some communicants. This preoccupied my thoughts for awhile.
Don’t you think that priests must be under some great pressure to be an expert marksman of the Body of Christ. I can’t speak for how a priest might feel but I think that I would feel great pressure each and every time*…steady-.ready- set - aim - FIRE! Blast it ! I touched the tongue with my finger! Now what do I do? Oh Well on to the next target… steady - ready-aim- Fire! *
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And what if the priest is clumsy and touches his finger on my tongue? I will wilt thinking I have contaminated or been contaminated.
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allhers
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This may come as a shock or a surprise to some …however, generations of people survived without hand sanatizer’s at Mass. Some of us still will. I think it is safe to say that some people just have hang-ups about certain things and some of us don’t.
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Confiteor
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While the health risks associated with some of these practices are not really appropriate to dismiss as “hang-ups” (for some people they can lead to serious health issues), I agree that it is important to keep it all in perspective. That is, we all come into contact with bacteria, viruses, carcinogens, contaminated or spoiled food, pollution, etc, and most of us manage to live reasonably healthy lives. As with all risks, the individual (or parents in the case of minors) needs to assess and decide what to do about receiving communion in the form of Precious Blood.
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grotto
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Absolutely false!
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