Hear the shocking response from the JustinWelby after he was asked whether he supports buffer zones around abortion clinics

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I do not watch videos, but, let me guess. The clergyman in question said that buffer zones are a good thing. I agree with him.

Christ never commanded us to “go and yell at women who are in crisis” as a way to spread the gospel.
 
I think it’s very poor taste to question another’s religious beliefs.

The Archbishop said he does agree with buffer zones. This doesn’t make him a terrible person, as Christian Concern would have people believe.
 
It’s my country the buffer zones are in. We do not shout at women going in. We are very often shouted at by mere passers by.
We pray outside abortion facilities and we offer support to women who want to abort their child.
Buffer zones give abortion centres carte blanche to continue their unholy work, unperturbed by any.
God will judge those men and women who agree with buffer zones.
 
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Frankie65 said:
We pray outside abortion facilities and we offer support to women who want to abort their child.
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You might pray. There are other groups who hold up graphic, gory images and shout “don’t kill me, mommy”.
IanM said:
" UK council bans ‘directed’ prayer outside abortion center"
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Same as above, I have seen prayer used as a weapon 😦
 
Frankie65 said:
It’s my country the buffer zones are in. We do not shout at women going in. We are very often shouted at by mere passers by.
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It’s my country too. And while I am very, very glad you don’t shout and offer help, too many places intimidate and assault women who go to these places. Staff are also targeted.

Even now with the buffer zones, protesters are targeting any young woman who walks past them.
TheLittleLady said:
Same as above, I have seen prayer used as a weapon 😦
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I have too. It’s nasty.
 
TheLittleLady said:
I do not watch videos, but, let me guess. The clergyman in question said that buffer zones are a good thing. I agree with him.

Christ never commanded us to “go and yell at women who are in crisis” as a way to spread the gospel.
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Yes, he did. He also briefly alluded to the Church of England’s position on abortion (that it is morally wrong).

The issue that I have is when people go to quietly pray, but this is not allowed or viewed as a protest or even as “heckling.”

That being said, I don’t condone yelling or heckling of any kind, as it does no good and does not love the women in these situations, which was kind of the Archbishop’s point.
 
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For crying out loud. These women are being decived and murdering innocent babies. They will suffer the consequences for the rest of their lives.

Yes, it may be ‘nasty’ or ‘intrude their space’, but in the long run , it will do them and society a lot of good.

It has been reported that any time people pray outside abortion clinics , the number of abortions go down.

It forces people to think twice (which they probably never did until that point)

So yes, praying isn’t bad or even the occasional yelling (no violence of course). Look at the bigger picture.
 
Lou2U said:
too many places intimidate and assault women who go to these places. Staff are also targeted.
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Can you please tell me exactly what you have heard and seen pro life people doing or saying?

And what they have said to staff?

This is important as I am in touch with pro life leaders and I need to find out about this
 
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Frankie65 said:
Can you please tell me exactly what you have heard and seen pro life people doing or saying?

And what they have said to staff?
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I have no anecdotal evidence of my own. There have been many news reports, many issues mentioned in court cases.


Here is the final ruling on the buffer around Ealing’s clinic. It mentions as examples:
(i) The display of lifelike foetus dolls;
(ii) Threats that users of the Centre would go to Hell;
(iii) Referring to users of the Centre as “Mum”.
(iv) The handing out of rosary beads to users and passers-by;
(v) Pursuing users of the Centre with leaflets;
(vi) Not leaving users with enough room to pass into the
Centre;
(vii) The playing of loud music and chanting from pro-choice
activists;
(viii) The taking of photographs of persons using the clinic;
(ix) Young children passing by exposed to images of foetuses.
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[The buffer zone also refers to any pro-choice protesters, also.]
I have also read women are shouted at, grabbed by the arm, have had paint thrown at them. Staff have had people vandalise their cars and put nails in their tyres.

Here’s another news article from last month:

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Anti-abortion protester handed a restraining order after incident outside clinic

The woman - who has not been named by police - was charged with a public order offence following an incident outside the Marie Stopes Clinic
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
 
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All of the things mentioned by @Lou2U, I have seen these things all across the US. I have seen billboards of graphic photos pasted on the side of semi truck trailers, I have seen people using bullhorns or portable loudspeakers to shout the Rosary at women, I have seen protesters speak in a baby-talk voice “mommy, mommy, do not kill me, mommy”.
 
TheLittleLady said:
I do not watch videos, but, let me guess. The clergyman in question said that buffer zones are a good thing. I agree with him.

Christ never commanded us to “go and yell at women who are in crisis” as a way to spread the gospel.
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I believe the vigils around Ealing abortion centre (which was the original buffer zone implemented) are not about people yelling at women. I believe the Good Counsel network pray quietly and offer practical support to women in crisis (help with housing, financial support, advice etc). In the decades prior to the buffer zone implementation that the Good Counsel Network have been holding their prayer vigils there, my understanding is that there has not been a single incident where the police have had to charge anyone from the vigil.

But many little children’s lives have been saved because desperate women who are on their way to have an abortion that they don’t really want, but feel they gave no choice, all of a sudden see people who are offering them support (with housing, practical help etc) and realise they can get help. With the buffer zone, now these women will not see that there is help and will just walk in despair into the abortion centre to have their unborn child killed.
 
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This is only what you have read, not personally seen.
My colleague had to defend himself in court against an action. He was completely vindicated. Even the police had to withdraw a complaint after it was shown the perpetrators were pro abortion protesters.
I can’t say the city as I don’t want to identify my colleague.
Also I know of prayers outside a facility where the people praying had liquid of an unknown type thrown over them.

There are horrible lies and falsehoods perpetuated time and again by people who hate to see people defending babies outside abortuaries
 
Lou2U said:
ix) Young children passing by exposed to images of foetuses.
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The models we use, yes, are of ‘foetuses’. They are plastic models of babies in the womb before they are born. They force people to confront the reality that what is inside the womb is a recognisable baby
 
Frankie65 said:
This is only what you have read, not personally seen.
My colleague had to defend himself in court against an action. He was completely vindicated. Even the police had to withdraw a complaint after it was shown the perpetrators were pro abortion protesters.
I can’t say the city as I don’t want to identify my colleague.
Also I know of prayers outside a facility where the people praying had liquid of an unknown type thrown over them.
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I’m sorry that happened to your colleague and to the people who were praying. But that doesn’t mean pro-life groups don’t partake in similar behaviours, as evidenced by court documents and other personal anecdotes.
Frankie65 said:
The models we use, yes, are of ‘foetuses’. They are plastic models of babies in the womb before they are born. They force people to confront the reality that what is inside the womb is a recognisable baby
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I believe the above point is referring to graphic images of aborted foetuses.
 
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