Hear Ye, Hear Ye: Royal Heirs May Wed Catholics

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LDNCatholic said:
Not until the Church of England is disestablished.
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Greetings LDNCatholic,

Well that may be a long time in coming. However if the royals can marry Catholics and they all become practicing Catholics, that may speed things up a little.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
 
Why anyone, Catholic or otherwise, would want to marry into the worlds most famous disfunctional family is beyond me 😃
 
Pearl_of_Tyburn said:
Wow! I’m thrilled by this update that future British monarchs will be allowed to marry Catholics. :clapping: It’s definately a step in the right direction. Who knows? Maybe in our life time we’ll see the anti-Catholic laws lifted entirely so that a reigning monarch can also be a practicing Catholic. It would be a sticky operation, but with God all things are possible!

God Bless,
Pearl of Tyburn :tiphat:
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I am not certain that it includes the monarch. At the moment if someone in line to the throne marries a Catholic he/she loses her/his place in the line of succession. E.g. when Prince Michael of Kent married a Catholic he lost his place in the line of succession.

The new proposal is that this won’t happen in the future. However, I don’t think the monarch will be able to marry a Catholic, yet.
 
The bishop would ask, “will you raise the children in the catholic faith?” The couple would have to answer “No.” The bishop would then say, “I cannot approve of this interfaith arrangement since innocent children are not reasonably assured of access to their eternal salvation.”
 
Samuel63 said:
The bishop would ask, “will you raise the children in the catholic faith?” The couple would have to answer “No.” The bishop would then say, “I cannot approve of this interfaith arrangement since innocent children are not reasonably assured of access to their eternal salvation.”
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The non-Catholic spouse doesn’t have to agree to anything. The Catholic spouse only has to promise to do his or her best to try to get the children raised Catholic. A situation could therefore arise in which the marriage is approved even knowing it’s unlikely the children will be raised Catholic.

On the other hand the children might actually be raised Catholic, which could prompt further discussion on whether Catholics should be left out of the line of succession.
 
I’m curious as to why some users are captivated by this reform. There is more to the world than power :rolleyes:.
 
Tenofovir said:
It’s more likely a reflection of the contemporary British attitude that religion is pointless and false and rules against certain religions/denominations make no sense anymore. If the royal wants to marry a Catholic, let them.
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I agree, but the disappearance of this anti-Catholic vestige of the past is still a good thing in my book.

Right now the UK has one of the worst official attitudes towards religion I can think of. On the one hand it’s a godless public system that recently, for example, denied Christian foster parents the ability to foster any more children because they refuse to teach the children that the homosexual lifestyle is ok. As I recall the BBC interpreted it as a decision that sexual rights trump religious rights, and that could be even worse news down the road.

On the other hand there is an established “Church” with the Head of State (Monarch, in fact) as Head of the Church. That sends a message that at least on some theoretical level the State is the ultimate religious authority. Impose secular liberal values on an old bedrock of State authority over religion and you have a recipe (in theory at least, but it seems to be happening in reality too) for a very repressive kind of secularism.

Since a free Catholic Britain is unlikely for the foreseeable future, movement towards separating Church and State could, hopefully, facilitate movement towards greater respect for religious liberty.
 
It seems to me that if Royals can now marry Catholics and still accede to the throne, there will eventually come a time when a Catholic will be in line for the throne (unless it is also mandated that all children of mixed-faith marriages be raised in the COE).
 
I understand that, but have you considered the children of such marriages? Unless there’s a law preventing it, they just as likely be raised Catholic as CoE. What then, would they lose their places in the line of succession?
 
Aelred_Minor said:
The non-Catholic spouse doesn’t have to agree to anything. The Catholic spouse only has to promise to do his or her best to try to get the children raised Catholic. A situation could therefore arise in which the marriage is approved even knowing it’s unlikely the children will be raised Catholic.

On the other hand the children might actually be raised Catholic, which could prompt further discussion on whether Catholics should be left out of the line of succession.
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Certainly in this current age when only a few know church doctrine and canon law and actually follow it, the couple could be affirmed by a lukewarm bishop. It is still not right.

I am recommending caution on this new movement between the church and england. This is the monarchy remember that hunted down catholics like forest animals for over 250 years. Their persecution was generally gruesome. They robbed all church property and material goods. The inhabitants of the church property were thrown out on the street.

Most of all, I am pointing to church teaching on valid marriage. Many people scoff at getting the bishops permission to marry outside the church. Where is the ecumenical spirit after all? This liberal and modernist spirit is pervasive in our chuch today. Times are a changing however. I am glad of it as well.
 
seekerz said:
It seems to me that if Royals can now marry Catholics and still accede to the throne, there will eventually come a time when a Catholic will be in line for the throne (unless it is also mandated that all children of mixed-faith marriages be raised in the COE).
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There’s two separate issues. First, a royal may marry a Catholic. The royal must remain a communicant member of the Church of England. It is the royal who might succeed to the throne not their Catholic spouse.

Second, at present a Catholic cannot accede to the throne. As I understand it becoming a Catholic would remove a royal from the line of succession.
 
However, history is important. It is good to know the roots of this rift between the catholic church and england. With this perspective, you can understand the current state and how better to make progress.

Accepting the monarchy’s permission to marry a catholic as evidence of progress is rather naive. It is more plausible the existence of this rule was becoming an irritation to queen mum. Maybe this rule exposed just how primitive this monarchy really is. Perhaps the monarchy wanted to polish up it’s exterior and gain improved public opinion.
 
Samuel63 said:
However, history is important. It is good to know the roots of this rift between the catholic church and england. With this perspective, you can understand the current state and how better to make progress.

Accepting the monarchy’s permission to marry a catholic as evidence of progress is rather naive. It is more plausible the existence of this rule was becoming an irritation to queen mum. Maybe this rule exposed just how primitive this monarchy really is. Perhaps the monarchy wanted to polish up it’s exterior and gain improved public opinion.
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Yes, EIIR desperately needs to uprate her 80% approval rating.

When you were last in England, did you notice much persecution of Catholics?
 
No persecution today, thankfully. Discrimination at the top levels of state - why yes.

I wish in fact England were more of a civilized society.
 
Waitrose was much, much more civilised, such are the joys of suburbia. 😃

I don’t know if they let Catholics in though.
 
Samuel63 said:
Example - marriage rules between royalty and catholics. This is clear religious discrimination. How very sad and primitive. England deserves better.
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You’re talking to a Jew about the problem of Catholics marrying into the monarchy? 😃 😃
 
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