Theological opinion is that we will ALL have “glorified” bodies which will inhabit heaven. Jesus appeared to the disciples in his “glorified” body. But we have absolutely no idea what properties such a “body” has.Is it a glorified place where Jesus and Mary’s glorified bodies are?
Do you happen to have a link to that blog, Faith? I went to the website but couldn’t find it in the latest blogs. I would like to read the whole thing.The priest on The New Theological Movememt Blogspot said that Heave. In a glorified place but that this isn’t a teaching of the Church but his personal opinion. Is it a glorified place where Jesus and Mary’s glorified bodies are?
newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2010/08/where-was-mary-assumed-to.html?m=1Do you happen to have a link to that blog, Faith? I went to the website but couldn’t find it in the latest blogs. I would like to read the whole thing.
Thank you.
The Church does teach that the bodies of Jesus and Mary are glorified, so I’m presuming the part the author considers his personal opinion would have to do with his particular description of heaven (as glorified “place”). As he says, there is no dogmatic teaching by the Church regarding the exact nature of heaven. (Not sure if “nature” is the right word to use or not.)The priest on The New Theological Movememt Blogspot said that Heave. In a glorified place but that this isn’t a teaching of the Church but his personal opinion. Is it a glorified place where Jesus and Mary’s glorified bodies are?
I emailed my pastor about this and at first he said that what’s written under the heading, Is Heaven a Place? “reflects Church teaching”. In his second email he said that this article is an attempt by someone “trying to explain Heaven, which is impossible.” He said that what this priest is wrote is " not heretical" but “another attempt to explain the explicable.” Then he told me to “let it go and just believe.”Thank you.
The Church does teach that the bodies of Jesus and Mary are glorified, so I’m presuming the part the author considers his personal opinion would have to do with his particular description of heaven (as glorified “place”). As he says, there is no dogmatic teaching by the Church regarding the exact nature of heaven. (Not sure if “nature” is the right word to use or not.)
If you haven’t read the section on “Heaven” in the CCC (#1023 - 1029), here’s a link:
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P2M.HTM#62
“eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man, what things God hath prepared for them that love him.” (1 Cor 2:9)The priest in my RCIA class said explaining heaven to us is like explaining the world to an unborn baby. Without references there is no way it can be done and it just confuses us.
But is it a glorified place befitting a changed, glorified body…or what?I like Pope Benedict’s sentiment in Jeus of Nazareth where he stated that “God is heaven”. God is our source of eternal peace, well-being, limitless happiness. Wherever He is, known directly, there is heaven.
You won’t find a definitive answer one way or the other - the Catholic Church hasn’t given one.I’ve been Googling a lot tonight, trying to find the answer to my question but whenever I look up if Heaven is a glorified place, other than the link I provided earlier, all I keep coming up with is glorified bodies in Heaven. Can someone help?
Are you sure we 're free to think of heaven as a “glorified place” and that it doesn’t contradict CC teaching? After the two emails from my pastor, I’m not sure if he agrees with that or not.You won’t find a definitive answer one way or the other - the Catholic Church hasn’t given one.
Here is what Father Ryan Erlenbush wrote:
Now do not think that John Paul II had contradicted his teacher when he said that heaven is not a physical place in the clouds! Garrigou-Lagrange and the great Pontiff are both getting at the same point: Heaven is first and foremost union with God; secondarily, heaven is the place where the bodies of Jesus and Mary abide, but this ‘place’ is not like every other place we think of – its relation to our universe is not clear. Glorified bodies are very different than non-glorified bodies (though they are essentially the same). A glorified body does not move and take up space in exactly the same way as a non-glorified body does. Still, the glorified bodies of Jesus and Mary are somewhere, but this ‘somewhere’ will necessarily be a ‘place’ which is ‘glorified’ – just as the glorified body is different from non-glorified body, it resides in a ‘glorified place’ which is different from a non-glorified physical place. [This is my own reasoning and not an official Church teaching.]What he says does not contradict any Church teaching so you are free to envision it as he describes it
What are some possibilities that are acceptable to the Church?Theological opinion is that we will ALL have “glorified” bodies which will inhabit heaven. Jesus appeared to the disciples in his “glorified” body. But we have absolutely no idea what properties such a “body” has.
And we cannot even conceive what heaven is like. We might like to think of it as a place where the pizza buffet is always stocked, and all of our lost pets are gathered about our feet. But heaven is not anything like a “really great version of our earthly existence.”
[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 2:9[/BIBLEDRB]
We cannot even imagine what it is like (and I can imagine a lot).
The Church does not teach that ANYTHING that we can even IMAGINE is comparable to heaven. It is NOT an all-night pizza buffet with free beer.What are some possibilities that are acceptable to the Church?
A multimeter? Do you mean a micrometer (a device to measure distance?) Or a multi-meter (a device to measure voltage and resistance?)Also, does the majority or minority of physicists believe we live in a multimeter? And if so, could Heaven be there?
Haha. MultiVERSE. My kindle changed my word.The Church does not teach that ANYTHING that we can even IMAGINE is comparable to heaven. It is NOT an all-night pizza buffet with free beer.
A multimeter? Do you mean a micrometer (a device to measure distance?) Or a multi-meter (a device to measure voltage and resistance?)
Or, do you mean a “multiverse” - a hypothetical physics model that supposes that EVERY quantum possibility (which numbers in the billions of billions (etc) per second) spawns an entire alternate universe). Such a physical model has been called “ontologically extravagant,” but we have no math to completely discredit it. But it is far less likely than the full adaption of the holographic principle (which seems far more mathematically compatible, as, indeed, major parts of it are considered settled fact within the scientific community).
Please define your terms. And, realize that some of us who participate on this Forum are educated and informed about the latest developments in quantum theory.
I don’t know what a holographic principal is, but could heaven be there?The Church does not teach that ANYTHING that we can even IMAGINE is comparable to heaven. It is NOT an all-night pizza buffet with free beer.
A multimeter? Do you mean a micrometer (a device to measure distance?) Or a multi-meter (a device to measure voltage and resistance?)
Or, do you mean a “multiverse” - a hypothetical physics model that supposes that EVERY quantum possibility (which numbers in the billions of billions (etc) per second) spawns an entire alternate universe). Such a physical model has been called “ontologically extravagant,” but we have no math to completely discredit it. But it is far less likely than the full adaption of the holographic principle (which seems far more mathematically compatible, as, indeed, major parts of it are considered settled fact within the scientific community).
Please define your terms. And, realize that some of us who participate on this Forum are educated and informed about the latest developments in quantum theory.
I understand that, but does the CC allow us to believe heaven is a glorified place, like that one priest- blogger suggested or it it incompatible with Church teaching? After emailing my pastor, I’m unsure, though he did say believing that isn’t heresay.The Church does not teach that ANYTHING that we can even IMAGINE is comparable to heaven. It is NOT an all-night pizza buffet with free beer.
The Holographic Principle was most notably expounded by the Dutch Nobel-Laurite (1999 Nobel Prize) physicist Gerard 't HooftI don’t know what a holographic principal is, but could heaven be there?
I don’t know what religion Gerard T’hooft was (he was Dutch, and probably not Catholic). I DO know that his most famous disciple, the physicist Lenny Susskind, was an atheist of Jewish descent (I know this because I read it in his own semi-autobiographical book, The Black Hole War). I don’t know if either of them ever realized that, if I were to try to explain humanity to ancient peoples, I could hardly come up with a better explanation that they would understand.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. [John 1:1-5]
Heaven IS a glorified place. But it is a place beyond our comprehension.And could heaven be a glorified place?