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No, we don’t both believe in one God. Mormonism teaches people to believe in many, innumerable, gods. The Mormon Godhead is only one in purpose, like an HOA committee or something. That is not the same at all as Christian belief, in One God.
 
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Okay, excuse me but I’m still at the Mormon 101 level. Or maybe a little advanced but not much. My questions are basic and I’m frustrated with no answers. So let me start with a few basics.
  1. Do Mormons worship God the Father? I think the answer is yes.
  2. Do Mormons worship Jesus Christ? (Whoever their Jesus Christ is)
  3. Do Mormons worship the Holy Spirit?
  4. Do Mormons worship a Heavenly Mother?
If the answers to any two of these questions is yes, then how do you reconcile that with the God of Mormonism saying that he is the ONLY being whom they shall worship? Unless:
  1. The Mormon Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one being?
Sorry again. If you get too deep into the woods you will lose me.
 
If you get too deep into the woods you will lose me.
It is at this point where the LDS would teach new converts (I know you are NOT a convert to the LDS) that they just need trust and if they don’t, then they just don’t have enough faith. Basically shaming them into silence.
 
I know you are NOT a convert to the LDS
No but I have had the missionaries in my house and have heard their lessons. None of this kind of stuff ever came up that I recall. But that was years ago.
 
It is at this point where the LDS would teach new converts (I know you are NOT a convert to the LDS) that they just need trust and if they don’t, then they just don’t have enough faith. Basically shaming them into silence.
Missionaries tell them to read the Book of Mormon and to pray and ask God if what they are teaching is true. Shaming is not part of the procedure.
 
Okay, excuse me but I’m still at the Mormon 101 level. Or maybe a little advanced but not much. My questions are basic and I’m frustrated with no answers. So let me start with a few basics.
Gazelam and I have answered your questions in at least four posts. Not sure what you want.
 
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I am trying to sort this out. We both believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one God, though they are three separate persons. I can see how this dichotomy may be confusing to non-believers.

However, can you help me understand how saying that these three separate persons are the same being makes this no longer confusing.
It does not make it less confusing but, saying they are one being makes one a monotheist; a Christian. Saying they are three beings makes one a polytheist, not a Christian.
 
There is no reconciling Mormon teaching.

1 is yes, 2 depends on the definition of “worship”. If that definition includes praying to, the answer is no. If the definition is, thinking highly of as an example to follow, the answer is yes. 3 is no, unless you think worship means by association, then it’s yes. 4 is absolutely not and suggesting that one should or could will get you excommunicated from the Mormons.

Worshipping two or three gods is worshipping the purpose of the top god, as that purpose unites all the gods (one could argue that includes a Heavenly Mother and all the innumerable gods I suppose). So it’s ok with that to say, only one god is being worshipped.

PS: That purpose is to make everyone a god. Just some gods will have more power than others. Such as, male gods have all the power and female gods rely on the almighty power acquired only by men.

What else is there to discuss? 😉
 
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Well you say that they worship The Holy Spirit if that worship is by association, which it appears to be which is why gazelam called it a package deal which included the Holy Spirit. So Mormons worship three Gods.

It just goes back to the verse I posted which says that The Father is the only being they shall worship. That only makes sense to me if the three Gods are one being. So Mormons worship three Gods but only one being.

In the Book of Mormon they pray to Jesus. So I am still a bit confused.

I did not know you could get excommunicated for worshiping Heavenly Mother.
 
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Well you say that they worship The Holy Spirit if that worship is by association, which it appears to be which is why gazelam called it a package deal which included the Holy Spirit. So Mormons worship three Gods.

It just goes back to the verse I posted which says that The Father is the only being they shall worship. That only makes sense to me if the three Gods are one being. So Mormons worship three Gods but only one being.

In the Book of Mormon they pray to Jesus. So I am still a bit confused.

I did not know you could get excommunicated for worshiping Heavenly Mother.
Mormon teaching is very clear, that their God is three beings. Mormons are not Trinitarians.

When they say their godhead is one God, they mean in purpose only.

Their three gods are associated by purpose, not being.

In the BoM, the praying to Jesus was a thing for the people there with him, only. It’s not for anyone else, and certainly not for any Mormon today. That’s the story they have today. When the BoM was written, JS was a sometime trinitarian, and a sometime binarian. The BoM has remnants of Protestant Christian beliefs of JS time and place. Go have a read of the Book of Abraham, where you’ll find councils of gods and other polytheistic ideas.
 
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Then what does it mean when their God the Father says he is the only being who they shall worship?
 
I was editing while you replied. 🙂 I added: When the BoM was written, JS was a sometime trinitarian, and a sometime binarian. The BoM has remnants of Protestant Christian beliefs of JS time and place. Go have a read of the Book of Abraham, where you’ll find councils of gods and other polytheistic ideas.
 
Mormons don’t believe in the Trinity the way it’s professed in the Athanasian Creed. You hear in this topic “one God,” but they would not hold that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are consubstantial, co-equal, co-eternal and one in the sense that Catholics profess.

They also do not profess that the Father is even truly the first, and they profess that what the Father is is what we will become, and that the Father was once like we are.
 
Then what does it mean when their God the Father says he is the only being who they shall worship?
It means just that. Mormonism is hierarchal. There is their supreme being God, that they call Father. Second in the hierarchy is Jesus and third is their Holy Ghost. These three comprise the Mormon godhead, but neither their Jesus or Holy Ghost have any authority outside of their god the Father. So they say things like, they worship the father through Jesus. Which means, Jesus is not worshipped, per se, but is an intermediary through whom they worship the Father. They have no such teaching for the Holy Ghost, and the ONE passage you cited from the D&C is the only place where the Holy Ghost is mentioned as being worshipped. In their own manuals regarding that passage, they teach that it is instructional regarding their godhead. Their godhead teachings are very clear, that they worship their father only. So the word “worship” in that passage, has some other meaning, that you are I are not able to discern, and I doubt any Mormon can either.

You have to remember, that Mormons JUST BELIEVE.

Mormonism used to unequivocally say, they didn’t worship any other gods. Relatively recently, they want to appear Christian so they try to squeeze Mormonism into Christian ideas. As you can see, it doesn’t work.
 
Joseph Smith’s doctrine of deity changed over time.
Everyone’s understanding of deity changes over time. That’s called learning. However, the new scripture Joseph Smith brought forth does not provide contradictory teachings on the nature of God.
The BoM contains Trinitarian ideas. As his ideas moved further away from Christianity, his doctrines about deity changed.
When the BoM was written, JS was a sometime trinitarian, and a sometime binarian. The BoM has remnants of Protestant Christian beliefs of JS time and place.
Please provide evidence these trinitarian and binarian beliefs that you claim Joseph Smith had. No such evidence exists.
Go have a read of the Book of Abraham, where you’ll find councils of gods and other polytheistic ideas.
The same ideas will be found in the Bible.
When they say their godhead is one God, they mean in purpose only.

Their three gods are associated by purpose, not being.
And this belief is straight out of John 17:22.
 
It does not make it less confusing but, saying they are one being makes one a monotheist; a Christian. Saying they are three beings makes one a polytheist, not a Christian.
If the Father, Son and Holy Ghost say they are one God, they are one God. Saying they are one being does not change the fact that they are three separate persons. Why do they have to be the same being to be one God?
 
Which means, Jesus is not worshipped, per se, but is an intermediary through whom they worship the Father.
They have a song about Jesus where they say “I’ll worship him with all my might.”

That’s not worshipping him?
 
If the Father, Son and Holy Ghost say they are one God, they are one God. Saying they are one being does not change the fact that they are three separate persons.
True
Why do they have to be the same being to be one God?
In June of 2013 in the thread: LDS, Creeds, and the Trinity; this was explained to you in great detail by a few Catholics. This was my only contribution.
A person is an individual substance of a rational nature.
A being is anything that is.
A brick is a being and not a person.
A human is a being and one person.
God is a being with three persons.
 
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