Heavenly Visitors Heal Sick Woman - JPII Miracle Testimony

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I don’t get you. I posted a nice story, and you want to pick it apart. This doesn’t have anything to do with my own personal suffering or anyone else’s. This woman prayed and she saw a beautiful vision and her friend recovered. You don’t have to go any deeper than that.
 
@BoomerangToo, this was a beautiful healing experience. Barbara’s tears showed that her spirit was touched as a witness.

Thank you for sharing this wonderful healing.
 
The Congregation for the Causes of Saints goes through a rigorous process regarding claimed miracles. In the case of diseases, they talk to all witnesses, doctors and other specialists. Cures must be long-lasting. All available evidence is examined and further consultations with experts may occur. The Vatican does not treat miracles lightly. Sometimes, the examination may be short or take a year or more.

The best doctors, scientists and other experts can do is state that there was no way that this or that healing could have occurred, and that’s all they can say. Miracles happen all the time but the mainstream media rarely mentions them. Being elevated to sainthood requires two miracles to be attributed to intercessory prayer to the saint candidate.
 
ethereality said:
I have studied it but no one has yet explained why God requires that we suffer before giving poor sinners enough grace to stop sinning.
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He doesn’t really require that. If you ask for Grace to not fall into sin, He gives it to you, pretty instantly. Do this at the beginning of temptation, do not wait until you’re about to fall into it.
ethereality said:
I don’t see the value in suffering.
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Hm, that’s not good. We want to be like Jesus, who suffered. What is lacking in the Crucifixion? Our own sufferings. We can combine them with Christ’s sufferings.
When we suffer, we can either become bitter or better. It is a growing experience. Think about it: people and the world get better after much suffering and trials. The keeping of nuclear weapons to deter war come because of ww2. The winning of the world from darkness to light comes with much suffering and even death. Our own darkness can be chased our by the Grace of God through much suffering.
Pray to St Bernadette.

Which book? All of them! They are called books but they are more like chapters. All of them together is like one actual book, though it is fairly long.
 
Maybe I’ll read more of Augustine, though I don’t appreciate much of the rest of your post. (For example, why pray to St. Bernadette? If God won’t answer my prayers, why would prayer to her make any difference?)
 
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ethereality said:
If God won’t answer my prayers, why would prayer to her make any difference?
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Some people’s prayers are more efficacious than others, that’s why.

JOB 42: 7-9:
After the LORD had spoken these words to Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.” So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did what the LORD had told them, and the LORD accepted Job’s prayer.
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edwest211 said:
Being elevated to sainthood requires two miracles to be attributed to intercessory prayer to the saint candidate.
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You are generally correct, but just noting that martyrs only need one miracle to be made saints under the current process. They are beatified without needing a miracle, by virtue of their status as martyrs for the faith. They then need one miracle to be canonized.

Also in the case of the canonization of Pope John XXIII, the Vatican waived the requirement for a second miracle, even though Pope John XXIII was not a martyr.
 
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It sounds like you want something to simply be light-hearted and a reason to be happy, and not have anyone interfere with that.

I want truth and my life to be built upon facts, thinking /this/ is the best means to happiness, and that means pointing out errors in what I read (such as calling private revelation a ‘miracle’) and asking questions to try to uncover facts.
 
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Then why ever try praying to God? Doesn’t this imply that God is Master/Creator rather than ‘Our Father’?
 
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Who ever said you shouldn’t pray to God? Your line of questioning is very strange. If you don’t like the story, just pass on it. Why obsess?
 
ethereality said:
I want truth and my life to be built upon facts, thinking /this/ is the best means to happiness, and that means pointing out errors in what I read (such as calling private revelation a ‘miracle’) and asking questions to try to uncover facts.
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Are you sure that you don’t just have a problem with the story because this lady got “an answer” and you yourself haven’t received the answer you want in your own prayers?
 
The prayers of others aids us in our prayers (our righteousness does play a part as well), remember how earlier I pointed out most healing stories I hear are when others want to help another out of love, rather than our praying for ourselves?
But the reason I ask you to pray to her is so that you can gain a greater appreciation for suffering. She suffered most of her life, you see.
 
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Yes, I’m sure that’s not it. To be clear, I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m merely saying the author was incorrect to refer to that woman’s private revelation and the other woman’s medical care as a miracle. This fact shouldn’t bother you.

Then, after that observation, I asked questions “on top of” or in addition to the story. You don’t have to address these if you don’t want to.
 
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At this point I’m merely responding to questions I am being asked and posts directed at me; I am not ‘obsessing’ (I am not refreshing the forum webpage looking for replies, for example). Sorry you didn’t understand my previous post.
 
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ethereality said:
I’m merely saying the author was incorrect to refer to that woman’s private revelation and the other woman’s medical care as a miracle.
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Well I’ll tell you, if I was praying for a deathly ill friend, and John Paul II appeared before me and proceeded to pray for my friend too, I would not hesitate to call that a miracle. I doubt that many people, other than you, would ever think that was NOT a miracle. That was no ordinary occurrence.
 
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The problem here is that you are using the ‘popular’ definition instead of the technical definition. The technical definition is God superseding natural law, such as walking on water, stopping the sun, bringing the dead to life, etc. A vision and recovering after medical care are neither clear superseding of natural law. That is why it is technically incorrect to call it a miracle. This is Church teaching on what the word ‘miracle’ means.
 
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Thank you for sharing this! To me it was a blessing that her friend was given an actual glimpse of the power of prayer–of what happens in the spiritual realm when we pray.
And it reinforces our belief in the Communion of Saints.
 
ethereality said:
This is Church teaching on what the word ‘miracle’ means.
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Can you show me an authoritative source on the Catholic Church’s definition on what constitutes a “miracle”?

The dictionary definition is as follows:
1 : an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs.
2 : an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment.

The OP story meets the definition of a miracle.
 
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