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Indeed! I’m not sure what’s going on up there in Norway. Why can’t they be more like Finland? 😛
Well, Norwegians are mainly of viking descent and believe to this day that Christianity was forced upon them. So, their music reflects their vendetta against Christianity.
Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

How deeply saddening to see on a Catholic forum of all places, men defending that debased sensory material known as heavy metal music. This music, if indeed it is even worthy of such a designation, is anti-Christian, anti-morality and anti-establishment and ought to be given a wide-berth by all who profess the holy religion of Christ. Its very beat and sound has always implicitly rejected restraints and it has shamefully celebrated freedom and sexuality. Incontrovertibly, its message is the message of aggression, rebellion and sexual permissiveness. So called ‘heavy metal’ music emanates from an Augean stable of unimaginable filth and depravity and befouling our souls with it will, at length, poison the mind and demoralize the life. As St. Paul says, “Do not be deceived: Bad communications (and by logical extention, bad music, films or novels etc.), ruins good morals” (I Cor. 15: 33, added parenthesis mine).

As Catholics who are supposed to be earnestly engaged in the pursuit of holiness, how can listening to this unwholesome material be conducive to growth in grace and keeping our minds focused upon heavenly things (Col. 3: 2)? The whole course of this life is a state of probation, dear friends, and our final goal is Heaven and the beatific vision of God in Christ. What has this dreadful and unsavoury music to do with this noble goal? It is surely a hindrance rather that a help to the life of faith. St. Paul bids us: “Let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God” (II Cor. 7: 1). Every Catholic who names the name of Christ has a searching responsibility to apply that principle to every part of his life, including his music choices. For many modern Catholics, I fear doing so would call for a complete transformation in their musical tastes - it might also call for a bonfire (cf. Acts 19: 18-20).

God bless, dear friends, and thankyou for suffering this word of exhortation.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax:tiphat:
Judging by your words, I assume that your understanding of music is limited to merely what you listen to everyday. So, its quite understandable that metal will be a far cry from what you are used to and it is easy to judge it as evil on that basis alone. In other words, you might only hear it as noise, unable to make head or tail out of it. But, I try to understand specific chords that went into making its riffs and the scale use to make its melodies. I like this music because I am fascinated by its complex time signatures and intricately written riffs. I understand that the themes of certain songs can be against the principles of Christianity as you see it, but the music itself if no more different than any other music such as Jazz or gospel, just a series of notes in rhythm. For me metal is actually secular. And it is merely music, nothing more and nothing less.

If you read my previous post, I mentioned that I listen to metal but I do not practice alcoholism, drugs, smoking or any other form of depravity. I’ve not come under such influences because I simply find no appeal in them. Therefore, the people whom you claim to indulge in such practices would indulge in said practices regardless of whether they are into metal or not.

So, do not be sad. We appreciate this music as an art. Metal will not with with us forever, but God is forever and with him is where we hope to reside in the end.
 
Demon Hunter and Extol are two bands that immediately come to my mind that love Christ, are practicing Christians and use their music to spread a positive influence for God. They don’t necessarily preach from the stage at shows, but they do write about Christian themes in their music and consider their music an uplifting art form.

I don’t see any difference between them and someone who paints Christian themed paintings, or someone who writes Christian themed poetry. It’s just one of many art forms that people use to express their faith and love of God. There is vile material to be found in virtually any type of art or media. That doesn’t mean we should cast aside all art and media as evil, because not all of it is.
 
Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

How deeply saddening to see on a Catholic forum of all places, men defending that debased sensory material known as heavy metal music. This music, if indeed it is even worthy of such a designation, is anti-Christian, anti-morality and anti-establishment and ought to be given a wide-berth by all who profess the holy religion of Christ. Its very beat and sound has always implicitly rejected restraints and it has shamefully celebrated freedom and sexuality. Incontrovertibly, its message is the message of aggression, rebellion and sexual permissiveness. So called ‘heavy metal’ music emanates from an Augean stable of unimaginable filth and depravity and befouling our souls with it will, at length, poison the mind and demoralize the life. As St. Paul says, “Do not be deceived: Bad communications (and by logical extention, bad music, films or novels etc.), ruins good morals” (I Cor. 15: 33, added parenthesis mine).

As Catholics who are supposed to be earnestly engaged in the pursuit of holiness, how can listening to this unwholesome material be conducive to growth in grace and keeping our minds focused upon heavenly things (Col. 3: 2)? The whole course of this life is a state of probation, dear friends, and our final goal is Heaven and the beatific vision of God in Christ. What has this dreadful and unsavoury music to do with this noble goal? It is surely a hindrance rather that a help to the life of faith. St. Paul bids us: “Let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God” (II Cor. 7: 1). Every Catholic who names the name of Christ has a searching responsibility to apply that principle to every part of his life, including his music choices. For many modern Catholics, I fear doing so would call for a complete transformation in their musical tastes - it might also call for a bonfire (cf. Acts 19: 18-20).

God bless, dear friends, and thankyou for suffering this word of exhortation.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax:tiphat:
Portrait, my friend, while not in the category of the Mass, heavy metal is nevertheless a transcendent experience! I recommend checking it out!!!

Few things in this world can match the glory of it all!!! See???
 
Portrait, my friend, while not in the category of the Mass, heavy metal is nevertheless a transcendent experience! I recommend checking it out!!!

Few things in this world can match the glory of it all!!! See???
Dear VertasLuxMea,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Jolly good to see you on the boards again and hope that all is well.

Unless, dear friend, he is seriously wanting in spiritual discernment, I think that a pious Catholic man does know in his heart of hearts that rock/metal music conveys the message of disorder, aggression and sexual promiscuity. Let us be perfectly honest, it is a fantasy of human nature running wild to a savage beat and releasing the beast within a man, thus appealing to his baser instincts. Moreover, the music itself is debased and disturbing, aside from any lyrics, and the emotions which it evokes can hardly be deemed virtuous and conducive to a life of sanctity and separation from the godless world. We are, dear friend, bidden to keep ourselves “unstained from the world” (Jam. 1: 27), avoiding its many distracting and demoralizing influences and striving to keep ourselves pure and holy so that at the last we may come to His eternal joy. Incontrovertibly, rock/metal music is most unwholesome and evil and if a man places any value upon his immortal soul he will cease forthwith from listening to this debased sensory material. Whilst sacred and classical music touches the soul of man delightfully and elevates it nobly, the bilge water that is rock/metal only serves to corrupt it and foster an earthbound outlook.

Forgive me, dear friend, if what I have said in the preceding paragraph sounds awfully ‘holier-than-thou’, but I am firmly of the opinion that rock/metal music needs to be denounced in the strongest terms as it is very nasty stuff which something very basic and primitive in our fallen nature readily responds to. We may delude ourselves into thinking that this is utter nonsense, but we ought to remember that Satan and his forces have deeply invaded man’s social and cultural structures and there is no reason to think that music has been omitted. Indeed, it is what we should expect in this world of sin.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Whilst sacred and classical music touches the soul of man delightfully and elevates it nobly
Have you tried playing back Johanne Sebastian Bach’s Toccata e Fuga through a Marshall stack amplifier? What you hear is what forms a basis of metal.

IMHO, music is a kind of drug that gives a feeling of elevation. If you try to study music technically, you will understand it better. Almost all gospel songs mostly have major/minor intervals which gives the sense of awe. Same for rock. Metal however mainly uses Diminished intervals, which gives a feeling of dread or fear to others who are not accustomed to listening such intervals. So, it is not uncommon for those hearing it for the first time to brand it evil. Its all in the notes, nothing more. The musical spectrum is wide, is there something wrong with experimenting tones newer tones?

The evil image of certain bands (ex. Venom, Slayer, etc) you see is mainly because such bands want to sell out and accumulate more money. Lets not forget that Slayer’s vocalist Tom Araya is a catholic himself and writes songs involving war mainly, but never anti-christ songs (though his other band mates do). Similarly, Megadeth’s guitarist/vocalist Dave Mustaine was baptised recently. Though there are a few minority that indeed do believe in satanic philosophies, but they are mainly limited to Norway, but that is more of a vendetta because they believe that christianity was forced upon their viking ancestors.

People getting attracted to such a form of music is no different than any other pop/rap artist. It is true that majority of the people are simple minded and it takes little effort to sway their minds. There are a whole bunch of people who believe that reality TV is real when it is as real as pigs that can fly. Besides, lets not forget that metal fans are still a minority as compared to pop and rap artists, who boast at least a thousand times that which metal has. People must not take any artists seriously, they are just musicians, people need to understand this. If someone does take them seriously, then that’s because of their upbringing, parenting and shortage of cathechism. Besides, pop and rap are all about the money and the mind boggling number of fans they boast makes them more evil than metal artists, who play it as an art and most of them don’t care about money.

Being brought up as a catholic and being more logically/scientifically inclined, I understand that these are only musicians. And, I’ve never taken any of them seriously. I am only fascinated by the complexity of the music which appeals to me logically.
 
Dear VertasLuxMea,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Jolly good to see you on the boards again and hope that all is well.

Unless, dear friend, he is seriously wanting in spiritual discernment, I think that a pious Catholic man does know in his heart of hearts that rock/metal music conveys the message of disorder, aggression and sexual promiscuity. Let us be perfectly honest, it is a fantasy of human nature running wild to a savage beat and releasing the beast within a man, thus appealing to his baser instincts. Moreover, the music itself is debased and disturbing, aside from any lyrics, and the emotions which it evokes can hardly be deemed virtuous and conducive to a life of sanctity and separation from the godless world. We are, dear friend, bidden to keep ourselves “unstained from the world” (Jam. 1: 27), avoiding its many distracting and demoralizing influences and striving to keep ourselves pure and holy so that at the last we may come to His eternal joy. Incontrovertibly, rock/metal music is most unwholesome and evil and if a man places any value upon his immortal soul he will cease forthwith from listening to this debased sensory material. Whilst sacred and classical music touches the soul of man delightfully and elevates it nobly, the bilge water that is rock/metal only serves to corrupt it and foster an earthbound outlook.

Forgive me, dear friend, if what I have said in the preceding paragraph sounds awfully ‘holier-than-thou’, but I am firmly of the opinion that rock/metal music needs to be denounced in the strongest terms as it is very nasty stuff which something very basic and primitive in our fallen nature readily responds to. We may delude ourselves into thinking that this is utter nonsense, but we ought to remember that Satan and his forces have deeply invaded man’s social and cultural structures and there is no reason to think that music has been omitted. Indeed, it is what we should expect in this world of sin.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
So what pray tell makes certain types of music non-agressive, or non-base and violent, or non-depraved? Can you tell just by listening? Is it a matter of musical taste? One taste being holy and right and another taste being sinful and evil? Is it the type of instruments used? Whether or not there is distortion? Rather if the performers have long hair or sing in a certain way?

I’m sorry but this is so open to matters of opinion I find it hard to believe there is anything within Scrpture or Church Tradition that would condemn a musical style simply for the “way it sounds”. A musician can write a song that is completely satanic and evil and use nothing but a simple acoustic guitar melody with all major chords. If you can’t understand the words it might sound like a perfectly innocent song.

Am I way off base here and just crazy or is there something to these ideas I’m spouting off? 🤷:confused:
 
So what pray tell makes certain types of music non-agressive, or non-base and violent, or non-depraved? Can you tell just by listening? Is it a matter of musical taste? One taste being holy and right and another taste being sinful and evil? Is it the type of instruments used? Whether or not there is distortion? Rather if the performers have long hair or sing in a certain way?

I’m sorry but this is so open to matters of opinion I find it hard to believe there is anything within Scrpture or Church Tradition that would condemn a musical style simply for the “way it sounds”. A musician can write a song that is completely satanic and evil and use nothing but a simple acoustic guitar melody with all major chords. If you can’t understand the words it might sound like a perfectly innocent song.

Am I way off base here and just crazy or is there something to these ideas I’m spouting off? 🤷:confused:
Dear FromTheAshes777,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response.

First, dear friend, it is frequently asserted by modern Catholics that if rock/metal music was so eregiously immoral and bad then surely the Magisterium would have wasted no time in denouncing it as such. However, Holy Mother Church expects the faithful to use their own prudential judgment and sanctified common sense in their deliberations and decision making. This can, of course, be problematic if a man has lost his moral sense as a result of becoming so imbued with the distracting and demoralizing influences of the godless world, which precludes him from being able to distinguish between that which is wholesome and unwholesome. Needless to say, that applies to anything be it music, literature, film or appropriate clothing choices. Thus not making a catastrophic error of prudential judgment presupposes that a man does not have a radically defective conscience which prevents him from making the correct decisions as regards things about which the Church has not directly pronounced upon.

However, in one sense Holy Mother Church could be said to denounce rock/heavy metal music insofar as it teaches against anything that is harmful to the innate dignity of man or which glamorizes sin and sexual permissiveness. Now, dear friend, that rock/heavy metal music do just that is not a matter of subjective opinion but an indisputable fact that admits of no serious doubt. Even many within the pro-rock/metal camp freely admit that this debased music genre has been the occasion of an immense amount of high moral damage, especially among the youth who are jolly impressionable and all too easily influenced by their favourite rock performers.

It may be an unpalatable truth, given the worldliness that is so ubiquitous in contemporary Catholicism, but this debased sensory material does make its appeal to something very basic and primitive in our fallen natures. This is, dear friend, hardly surprising when we consider that rock/metal music is so wedded to a particular immoral philosophy and outlook. The music itself conveys a message, irrespective of any lyrics to which it may be appended and as such is beyond artistic redemption.

The fact is that this deplorable music is inseparable from an anti-religious, anti-authoritarian and, certainly, and anti-moral world-view; its predominant message has always been sexual permissiveness and revolt against lawful authority. In point of fact, it was an art form that was specifically created to express precisely this sort of godless and immoral outlook. Moreover, it is undeniable that its role has been pivitol in prompting youth to shamefully discard cultural and sexual restraints. This unsavoury music genre, dear friend, has always gravitated in the direction of aggression and sexual licentiousness, one could say that it just cannot help itself, coming as it does from a Augean stable of unimaginable filth and depravity.

Owing to its unsavoury associations, dear friend, rock and heavy metal will never ennoble and stimulate that which is virtuous in man, unlike the classics or sacred music, and to this extent it is at variance with the entire Christian philosophy of life. Those who assimilate the vulgarity of rock/metal music will not develop a passionate attachment to that which is pure, lovely and virtuous (cf. Phillip. 4: 8). On the contrary, this dreadful music will, at length, corsen manners, poison the mind and demoralize the life. Now, dear friend, there will be those who will say that this is nothing more than self-righteous nonsense that leads eventually to a confined and prudish world. This is, quite frankly, utter balderdash and is the typical worldly response which refuses to face up to the challenge of sanctity and separation from the godless world and its forbidden pleasures.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Hi everyone! I am not completely sure if this is the correct forum to be posting this in, but it seemed more appropriate than others.

My question is: what is the Catholic view on heavy metal, or “screamo”, music? Would it be sinful to listen to it? I know it often involves lyrics about either drugs, impurity, or suicide. I, for one, completely dislike the music overall, but I was just wondering the Catholic view on it. Thank you!
 
Hey! I’m sure it’s okay you posted this here. 🙂

While I am in no way a speaker of the Catholic Church, I’ll say what I have seen people say (and adopted).

The music in itself isn’t sinful, so as I see it, listening to the song without concentrating on the lyrics (I say this because we all know what heavy metal lyrics are!) would be okay. Now, if you started to pay attention to the usually sin-invoking lyrics I’d say there’s a bit of a problem. And if the music (the beat, rhythm, distorted guitars) start making you angry and invoke a lot of emotional response, I’d cut it.

I just recently, in a way, stopped listening to heavy metal music (after doing it for years), and keep in mind I play an electric guitar (ESP Horizon NT2 if anyone wanders, and a nice Marshall JVM410C - beauty!) so it comes off as weird. I even try not to play it (luckily I love classical music, so that covers this in a way). Why would we listen to such music that goes against God?

I still do listen to some Yngwie Malmsteen, just because he’s instrumental so I feel like I’m not doing anything wrong. 😃
 
Hi everyone! I am not completely sure if this is the correct forum to be posting this in, but it seemed more appropriate than others.

My question is: what is the Catholic view on heavy metal, or “screamo”, music? Would it be sinful to listen to it? I know it often involves lyrics about either drugs, impurity, or suicide. I, for one, completely dislike the music overall, but I was just wondering the Catholic view on it. Thank you!
I love Led Zepplin, The Beatles, Alice in Chains(though I draw the line at “Man in the box”), all the 90’s grunge and what not. I have often had this concern. But someone told me that if we looked at the artist and not just the art we couldn’t look at any Da Vinci, rembrant, Picaso, etc.
 
I would second the previous posters about being careful with listening to/not listening to the lyrics, but would add that you should be aware and careful of the effect that the music itself has on you (emotionally, etc.) independent of the lyrics.
 
There are some Christian screamo bands out there, so if you want screamo without the bad, you can listen to Christian screamo bands.
 
There are some Christian screamo bands out there, so if you want screamo without the bad, you can listen to Christian screamo bands.
While there are many sub-genres of heavy metal, none are referred to as ‘screamo’.

Although rap, hip-hop, and country music make we want to scream in agony.
 
Hi everyone! I am not completely sure if this is the correct forum to be posting this in, but it seemed more appropriate than others.

My question is: what is the Catholic view on heavy metal, or “screamo”, music? Would it be sinful to listen to it? I know it often involves lyrics about either drugs, impurity, or suicide. I, for one, completely dislike the music overall, but I was just wondering the Catholic view on it. Thank you!
You do know there are christian groups in every musical genre, right?

I don’t know if I’d classify Flyleaf as heavy metal- but others refer to them as screamo. A couple of their tunes

Beautiful Bride- youtube.com/watch?v=Sl0HPkBcpSQ
Chasm- youtube.com/watch?v=5CHHLAwGAFU
In the Dark- youtube.com/watch?v=Ehizf4vrsaw
 
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that many artists don’t really mean it. If someone is willing to flirt with words/images/themes contrary to Christianity, I’m going to assume they “mean it.” There is a lot of heavy metal out there that is very dangerous for Christians to listen to, but as has been mentioned before, there are a lot of Christian rock acts that lean on the heavy side (if you’re just listening to it “for the music”). Why endanger your soul by listening to bad stuff when there is a lot of music (heavy metal or otherwise) that is great and not harmful?!
 
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