Hebrew 9 24-28

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For Christ did not enter into a sanctuary made by hands, a copy of the true one, but heaven itself, that he might now appear before God on our behalf.
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Not that he might offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters each year into the sanctuary with blood that is not his own;
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if that were so, he would have had to suffer repeatedly from the foundation of the world. But now once for all he has appeared at the end of the ages 19 to take away sin by his sacrifice.
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Just as it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment,
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so also Christ, offered once to take away the sins of many, 20 will appear a second time, not to take away sin but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await him.
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Allegedly disproves the Sacrifice of the mass, Thoughts?
 
Why do you say it disproves the sacrifice of the mass? Christ died once for all. The sacrifice of the mass is a representation of the same sacrifice of the Cross, however, Christ is not dying again every time we celebrate mass.
 
marty1818 said:
Why do you say it disproves the sacrifice of the mass? Christ died once for all. The sacrifice of the mass is a representation of the same sacrifice of the Cross, however, Christ is not dying again every time we celebrate mass.
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“Not that he may offer himself repeatedly”
 
Read through the entirety of Chapter 9. It should be clearer then that the offering of Christ is referring to his death.
 
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“Not that he may offer himself repeatedly”
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And, if the Church asserted that the Mass was an attempt to “offer Jesus repeatedly”, then you’d have a point.

However, that’s not what the Church says. Rather, the “offering” that Jesus made to the Father happens outside of time. Therefore, what we do at Mass is re-present Jesus’ offering – Jesus did it once, and for everyone: and so, what we do is is a participation in Jesus’ “once and for all” offering.

It’s the difference between thinking your birthday party is a remembrance of your birthday and thinking that it’s an attempt to give birth to you all over again… 😉
 
marty1818 said:
Why do you say it disproves the sacrifice of the mass? Christ died once for all. The sacrifice of the mass is a representation of the same sacrifice of the Cross, however, Christ is not dying again every time we celebrate mass.
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Agreed. This is catholic theology 101
 
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“Not that he may offer himself repeatedly”
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The tense (aorist) used to refer to Christ’s actual actions in these verses (not the hypothesiized ones as an ordinary priest) is one that can express the beginning of an action, ie, the entry into one state from another. Thus “offered” may actually mean to begin to be in a state of offering (the “incipient aorist”).

The tense is called “aorist” and is usually, but not always used to indicate past action… Generally it refers to action done without refering to its start or end (“an- orist”= without horizon or borders.) It is simply the act looked at as a whole.

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From Haydock’s Catholic Bible Commentary:
Ver. 25. Should offer himself - He takes notice that Christ, by virtue of his sacrifice, and his dying once on the cross, satisfied for the sins of all men that ever were from the beginning of the world. It was decreed from eternity that the Son of God should come to redeem mankind: the ransom that was not yet paid was accepted; and all might be saved who believed in their Redeemer, who was to come, and who, by the graces that God offered and gave them, lived well. Wi.—Christ shall never more offer himself in sacrifice, in that violent, painful, and bloody manner, nor can there be any occasion for it; since by that one sacrifice upon the cross, he has furnished the full ransom, redemption, and remedy for all the sins of the world. But this hinders not that he may offer himself in the sacred mysteries in an unbloody manner, for the daily application of that one sacrifice of redemption to our souls.
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And this:

John 11:26
King James Version (KJV)
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Hebrews 9:27
King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Disproves all of this, correct?

1 Corinthians 15:31
King James Version (KJV)
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Which is it? Never die, die once, or die daily? Those who allege this are woefully ignorant of the totality of scripture - like JWs, who only know their narrow little bit and little else. An excellent and quickly read book on the Eucharist (which the mass actually is), and which explains the on-going offering of Christ to the Father, is 7 Secrets of the Eucharist by Vinny Flynn. It is worth reading and re-reading. George Cardinal Pell rather likes it: “This little book is a real gem…a must read for every Catholic. In fact, I would recommend this book to anyone.”
 
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Allegedly disproves the Sacrifice of the mass, Thoughts?
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Yes - we have heard this before…Those who would use the above to “disprove” the sacrifice of the mass, simply do not understand what the mass does.

The truth is that the mass does not “sacrifice” Christ again but rather makes present (re-presents) that same, one sacrifice. In effect it takes us to Calvary - to the foot of the cross.

So - the quoted passage fails to disprove anything about the mass.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
Yes - we have heard this before…Those who would use the above to “disprove” the sacrifice of the mass, simply do not understand what the mass does.

The truth is that the mass does not “sacrifice” Christ again but rather makes present (re-presents) that same, one sacrifice. In effect it takes us to Calvary - to the foot of the cross.

So - the quoted passage fails to disprove anything about the mass.

Peace
James
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Rather silly that those who practiced the mass would write against it. What some bible Christians forget is that the bible is also a tradition that was handed on.
 
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