Hell, does it really exist after judgement

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I have been thinking about this since I read somewhere that Hell iss a man made place, or a imagined place of man. This made sence to me. Upon Judgement, God, the very definition of love, is not going to torture. You will just sease to exist. I await your opinion.
 
Luke 16:19-31

How could the “Rich Man” carry on a conversation with Abraham, if he had ceased being?

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BKulash_eski said:
I have been thinking about this since I read somewhere that Hell iss a man made place, or a imagined place of man. This made sence to me. Upon Judgement, God, the very definition of love, is not going to torture. You will just sease to exist. I await your opinion.
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God does not actively tourture, when someone goes to hell, they are separated from him for all of eternity, which is there wish, and this causes pain beyond belief.

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BKulash_eski said:
I have been thinking about this since I read somewhere that Hell iss a man made place, or a imagined place of man. This made sence to me. Upon Judgement, God, the very definition of love, is not going to torture. You will just sease to exist. I await your opinion.
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This belief is that of the Seventh Day Adventists and the Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is not Christian teaching.

God has two hands: a hand of love and forgiveness, which holds back His hand of justice. Hell is justice. Heaven is mercy.
 
BKulash_eski said:
I have been thinking about this since I read somewhere that Hell iss a man made place, or a imagined place of man. This made sence to me. Upon Judgement, God, the very definition of love, is not going to torture. You will just sease to exist. I await your opinion.
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Bodies cease to exist, souls come from God and they are eternal.

Each person, by his / her actions - directed by their free will, decides where their soul will spend eternity. Either with God or without Him.

I’ve heard it said, that in the New Testament, that Jesus spoke more about Hell than He did about Heaven.

From the Gospels, what Jesus quoted about Hell

“fire” Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41
“everlasting fire” Matt 18:8, 25:41
“eternal damnation” Mark 3:29
“hell fire” Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
“damnation” Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47
“damnation of hell” Matt 23:33
“resurrection of damnation” John 5:29
“furnace of fire” Matt 13:42, 50
“the fire that never shall be quenched” Mark 9:43, 45
“the fire is not quenched” Mark 9:44, 46, 48
“Where their worm dieth not” Mark 9:44, 46, 48
“wailing and gnashing of teeth” Matt 13:42, 50
“weeping and gnashing of teeth” Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30
“torments” Luke 16:23
“tormented in this flame” Luke 16:24
“place of torment” Luke 16:28
“outer darkness” Matt 8:12, 22:13
“everlasting punishment” Matt 25:46

av1611.org/hell.html

I have a personal belief that those eternal darken souls who reject Jesus will remain upon Earth and not be lifted up. Those souls will experience the end of the Earth - when it is eventually consumed by the Sun.
 
I’ve seen two different interpretations, one: God gives everyone exactly what it is they want the most. Those who reject God throughout life obviously don’t want God’s presence so Hell would be their eternal separation from God. The second I’ve heard, and I forget where, is: God’s omnipresence means that He must be in Hell as well, and that is what is torture for those to reject Him, His very presence there. Which is an interesting thought, does anyone know if the Church has said anything about that?

To speak more directly to the question, all that I just said presupposes that there is a Hell, which is a fundamental teaching of the Church:

CCC 1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."617 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
 
Jesus spoke more of hell than anyone in Holy Scripture. He also spoke of eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels… and all those who would be condemned with them. He said that their worm dieth not, and that it was better to enter into life with Him maimed and broken and missing your pieces, than to be physically whole and cast into the fires of hell.

If Jesus believed it and taught it, we can do no less. All the rationalization and soft-peddling doesn’t change the reality. Heaven and Hell are very real, indeed. We do no one favors by convincing them otherwise.

Peace be with you.
BKulash_eski said:
I have been thinking about this since I read somewhere that Hell iss a man made place, or a imagined place of man. This made sence to me. Upon Judgement, God, the very definition of love, is not going to torture. You will just sease to exist. I await your opinion.
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BKulash_eski said:
I have been thinking about this since I read somewhere that Hell iss a man made place, or a imagined place of man. This made sence to me. Upon Judgement, God, the very definition of love, is not going to torture. You will just sease to exist. I await your opinion.
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Incorrect. Justice involves punishment. God is not only Love, He is also Justice… you cannot reduce Him to only the one.

‘In the day of Judgement he will punish them: He will send fire and worms into their flesh, and they shall burn and suffer forever.’

Judith 16-17

‘He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh; the Lord shall have them in derision.’

Psalms 2:4

‘A fire is kindled in my wrath, and shall burn even to the lowest hell: and shall devour the earth with her increase, and shall burn the foundations of the mountains.’

Deuteronomy 32:22

‘The smoke of the fire that torments them will rise forever and ever, and there will be no relief day or night for those who worship the beast or its image or accept the mark of its name.’

Apocalypse 14:11

'38 Q. Did all the angels remain good and happy?
A. All the angels did not remain good and happy; many of them sinned and were cast into Hell; and these are called devils or bad angels.

God did not admit the angels into His presence at once. He placed them for awhile on probation, as He did our first parents.

One of these angels was most beautiful, and was named Lucifer, which means light-bearer. He was so perfect that he seems to have forgotten that he received all his beauty and intelligence from God, and not content with what he had, became sinfully proud and wished to be equal to God Himself. For his sin he and all his followers were driven out of Heaven, and God then created Hell, in which they were to suffer for all eternity. This same Lucifer is now called Satan, and more commonly the devil, and those who accompanied him in his fall, devils, or fallen angels. ’

Baltimore Catechism #4
 
Barbkw said:
Bodies cease to exist, souls come from God and they are eternal.
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Not quite. We are not eternal during natural life, body or soul; we are temporal.

We will become eternal when we enter Eternity, at the end of natural life. And we will receive an eternal body! (Pneumatikon Soma)

ICXC NIKA!
I have a personal belief that those eternal darken souls who reject Jesus will remain upon Earth and not be lifted up. Those souls will experience the end of the Earth - when it is eventually consumed by the Sun.
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If they remain on earth, in their dead bodies, they will experience nothing. That is not the punishment of Hell.
 
GEddie said:
Not quite. We are not eternal during natural life, body or soul; we are temporal.
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Our souls are not temporal, they do not die when our bodies die.

"Catechism of the Catholic Church:
  1. Where does the soul come from?
366-368
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The spiritual soul does not come from one’s parents but is created immediately by God and is immortal. It does not perish at the moment when it is separated from the body in death and it will be once again reunited with the body at the moment of the final resurrection."

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html
 
Barbkw said:
Our souls are not temporal, they do not die when our bodies die.
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Temporal does not imply death, it implies subject to time. All our “soulish” actions, such as thinking, willing, feeling, or remembering, require time, because we are temporal beings.
 
GEddie said:
Temporal does not imply death, it implies subject to time. All our “soulish” actions, such as thinking, willing, feeling, or remembering, require time, because we are temporal beings.
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How does your statement concerning the soul fit into Pope Benedict’s explanation of the soul?

“The spiritual soul … is created immediately by God and is immortal. It does not perish at the moment when it is separated from the body in death and it will be once again reunited with the body at the moment of the final resurrection.”
 
Barbkw said:
How does your statement concerning the soul fit into Pope Benedict’s explanation of the soul?

“The spiritual soul … is created immediately by God and is immortal. It does not perish at the moment when it is separated from the body in death and it will be once again reunited with the body at the moment of the final resurrection.”
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How does that relate to our “soulish” actions requiring time?
 
Barbkw said:
Isn’t “our soulish actions” your personal quote, or did you grab that from another post?
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Nope; I came up with “soulish” in my own mind, to describe soul-associated actions.

If I were quoting someone, there would be a gray box around the words.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA
 
po18guy said:
As to the thread title: If there is no hell, why is there a judgment?
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Well I actually believe that there is a hell, I also believe that it has, as another poster said, God present, which is what makes it hell for those who do not want to spend eternity with God.
 
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