Hell is Real. People Really Go There. Why Modern Man Can’t Understand This…

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The Mediation of Jesus Christ, who is the same, yesterday, or forever; by all The Powers of Heaven; always give Graces in Providence to be lifted up in the earthly journey toward Heaven.
God’s Grace never stops protecting anyone even to the last moment.
In anyway Blaspheming The Holy Spirit by a full act of the will, whereby,
the will of the person has Grace not to commit this sin to go to damnation;
by their own will they wind up blotted out of The Book of Life if they do.
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Every single person is created in the image and likeness of God, and has a free will. Each person’s inner being knows of Heaven and Hell. We are judged according to what we produce - Fruits of The Holy Spirit.
A reprobate can only mimic fruits of The Holy Spirit; they cannot product Heavenly Fruit. The Grace of God uses any witness of each of them;
that comes across impartially know to God as objectively a seed of possible producing fruit in the receiver.
We need to ask questions and learn to compassionately witness Eternal consequence in today’s atmosphere of ‘who am I to discern someone’s whole witness’ as to producing fruit to others which helps Evangelizing The Gospel and The Kingdom of God according to my stewardship responsibilities atmosphere. We are one another’s heartfelt brothers and sisters keepers, yes?
Peace.
 
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IsaiahSpirit said:
The Mediation of Jesus Christ,
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I’m sorry for asking, Did you write that article, The Mediation of Jesus Christ, or someone else?

The author of the article is a Catholic or he/she belongs to another denomination?

Thank you for your answer in advance.

God bless
 
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The Holy Bible says Jesus The Christ is the only Divine Mediator between God and humankind. In my post it is not a reference to an article.
" For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time." - 1 Timothy 2:5-6
 
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As we see above again, His supernatural intervention in the faculties of our souls, precedes the FREE ACT of our wills, without any force.
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Good Morning.
Did Aquinas say something about that “supernatural intervention” coming in the form of awareness?
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Aquinas said, "God changes the will without forcing it . But he can change the will from the fact that he himself operates in the will as he does in nature,” De Veritatis 22:9. 31. ST I-II:112:3. 32. Gaudium et Spes 22; "being … – There is no force involved.
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Did Aquinas explain that such operation comes in the form of situations and experiences?
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St. Thomas also teaches that all movements of will and choice must be traced to the divine will: and not to any other cause, because Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing. CG, 3.91
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Can you give an example to elaborate on this point?
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Consequently, the whole future membership of heaven, down to its minutest details, with all the different measures of grace and the various degrees of happiness, has been irrevocably fixed from all eternity. Nor could it be otherwise. For if it were possible that a predestined individual should after all be cast into hell or that one not predestined should in the end reach heaven, then God would have been mistaken in his foreknowledge of future events; He would no longer be omniscient.
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And if God were to create a person who would not ultimately choose heaven, wouldn’t subtract from His omnibenevolence?
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The question IS: Is it a possibility that anyone in any stages rejects God’s graces and end up in hell whom God has chosen and decided to save?
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I don’t see how any person who has full awareness would choose hell. I also don’t see how a loving God could create a person whom He does not want to join Him in heaven.
 
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If you don’t mind me asking a theological question, aren’t some people inherently disadvantaged because they’re born into dysfunctional families, abused by others, not given or are lacking support and care, people who know nothing but misery and torment, isn’t it rather unfair for them because they’re set up for failure or there are ways that people are saved beyond our comprehension? What about the fact that our Church, her human arms can’t reach out to every ailing soul in need or is that going to fall of the faithful?
 
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But, as I recently argued, judgment is not fundamentally about laws. It is fundamentally about whether, at this moment in a human’s eternal life, I have or have not made myself, with the help of His grace, capable of a communion of persons with God. If heaven is a nuptial feast (Matthew 25:1-13), then judgment is whether or not you are capable of being the beloved, the bride.
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On Judgement Day - the Goats shall be separated from the Sheep.

The Criteria connects with whether or not we’ve Obeyed the Command which God gave us to Obey!

I.E. Loving thy Neighbor (and therefore God) in Action

Creatures who completely refuse to be creatures of Love … via rejecting God / Heaven,
Shall not wind up in Heaven where Purity, Joy, Love, Comm-Union, IS…
Which, shall be as a Hell
 
That would be a major disadvantage if we assume that God will not consider such things when he makes his final judgement. Since the catechism says that things like the moral lessons we are raised with and habit can change the severity of a sin, we shouldn’t assume that.
 
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That would be a major disadvantage if we assume that God will not consider such things when he makes his final judgement.
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That would be a major error for any to be thinking that God falls short in anything
 
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So now not only is hell temporary but it’s also voluntary !
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Yes, isn’t that what we claim? “anyone in hell chose to be there” - we hear this all the time.

A perspective:
There are two hells ( theoretically, in contemplation). Thus there are two views. When one contemplates the first hell our viewpoints and canned phrases (such as “one chooses hell”) might make sense. But when one contemplates the 2nd hell (the hell of scripture, the hell that many saints visited) it makes absolutely no sense at all.

The first hell, is the hell that C.S.Lewis portrays in the book The Great Divorce. This could be the hell that people chose. In the book they not only chose to go there they chose to stay. The book reflects a hell which portrays ones inescapable state of being. i.e. if you are miserable and unloving on earth, by choice, you’d also be miserable in heaven where love of neighbor and God is inescapable. To me this makes sense. But Lewis’s hell is not fire and brimstone. It is not the same place that Our Lady of Fatima displayed to the three children. Or the same hell as witnessed by any of the saints who claim to have witnesses hell through God’s grace. Lewis’s hell is a life of misery and / or loneliness. Not a hell of fire and torture. Self-torture perhaps but not an external imposed torture.

This is where the concept of the 2nd hell (fire and brimstone) breaks down for me. God gave us, and (I would think) desires us to use our intellect and logic. Choosing the fire and brimstone hell makes no logical sense at all. Even the perpetual adulterous or perpetual murderer (let alone the perpetual Mass avoiding Catholic) chooses to live in eternity of unimaginable physical and mental pain and anguish. I cannot see how anyone can believe that and claim it makes logical sense. If the claim is that it doesn’t matter what we think it is simply the Truth as directed by the Word of God, then I cannot see how someone can call that God merciful and loving (from a logical perspective). To me it is as nonsensical as the familiar question of "can God make a rock so heavy He can’t lift it)? It seems a nonsensical argument that God can be merciful and loving and allow a creature to burn in a fire for all eternity.

To consider this 1st hell (the Fire and Brimstone one), I must deny God in one way or another.
To not believe it , many would suggest I am denying the teaching of the Church and God’s Word.

To believe it, I must deny all semblance of my God given logical mind. I MUST believe it is out of love and mercy that God allows a created creature to burn in a real hellfire with all it implies, torching skin melting flesh with no relief for all eternity.

I wonder, is it acceptable for me to believe in Lewis’s hell? This is the only way I can reconcile the apparent illogical and nonsensical doctrine many insist is Church teaching. Certainly a dilemma.
 
It is worth noting that the description of Hell as literal fire misses an important component. Fire is also representative of God’s anger and judgement. Hell does not have to be an eternity of burning to be fire and brimstone. Indeed, Hell could be colder than you could possibly imagine and it would still burn because those who are there are committing the unforgivable sin. It could be hotter than you could possibly imagine, and God’s disappointment and judgement would still be worse.

Or to put it another way, you are underestimating how terrible the “fire-less” Hell C.S. Lewis depicted is.
 
If hell is real, it certainly took Judeo-christianity a while to come up with it.

Initially death for the unrighteous was annihilation. As Greek influences grew in ancient Palestine, Hades was adopted not terribly long before the birth of Jesus.

The full bloom didn’t occur until the middle ages.

An even bigger problem is that most of the intelligent theologians Catholicism has enjoyed over the years would be skeptical of “faith through fear”. In other words, frightening someone to god may not work as it may not provide a saving faith.

So for reasons that both belong to my fellow secularists and your coreligionists, religious fear mongering may be unproductive.
 
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It took Judeo-Christianity a while to come up with monotheism too, though it was firmly established by the time of Jesus’ birth. Half a millennium before that (give or take a century) Judaism was quite Henotheistic (one God above all, but others considered possible). God is incomprehensibly vast and we can only understand what we do because he reveals Himself, so why wouldn’t our understanding of him be incomplete and constantly developing over time?

Also, while I wouldn’t want to frighten a child by telling them overly graphic stories of people hit by cars, neither would I be doing him any favors by hiding the fact that playing in traffic has bad results.
 
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The full bloom didn’t occur until the middle ages.
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This is just utter nonsense. There are Early Church Fathers who explicitly reference Hell. JESUS talks about Hell more than any other topic.

It’s not unreasonable that pre-Christian religions didn’t have the full picture, and that has no bearing on whether or not Hell is real. The fact is that it has been consistent Church teaching since the beginning.
 
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Oh I won’t challenge the idea that a torment for the unrighteous existed from the early church.

As stated earlier in my post, I correctly state that your Jewish forebears adopted the idea from the Greeks a couple centuries before Jesus lived.
 
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