Hell, purgatory and Gehenna

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My first question is regarding Purgatory/Ghenna/Abraham’s bosom/Hell/Hades…these are words/terms I’m trying to sort out, especially Abraham’s bosom, which sounds like hell before Jesus shows up? Also I’m wondering if you think the verse in Mathew is Talking about Purgatory…where Jesus is talking about being thrown in Jail and “you will never get out until you pay every penny” I feel like it’s talking of purgatory, but some Protestants will say it’s just referring to the law. Okay so that was probably a lot of info to ask, but I have one more…this is regarding the theif on the cross and Jesus telling the theif that he will be in heaven this day…Protestants will say this is an example of only being saved by faith, because the theif probably sinned his whole life, but was saved by believing. If you have any info on these two subjects that would be awesome!
 
“Abraham’s bosom” is thought to be equivalent to the “Limbo of the Fathers”, both of which refer to the part of Sheol (Jewish afterlife place) where the righteous dead went. It was a pleasant place but without the beatific vision. When Christ died, this is where he descended, to open the gates of Heaven to the righteous dead.
 
Interestingly, there is the idea in Orthodox Christianity that our prayers can help (and even save) those condemned to perdition. It’s not a dogmatic position though.
 
On the last point about the thief on the cross. Yes he sinned perhaps his whole life but at the end repented and was contrite, so Jesus forgave and absolved him, for as is written Jesus came to seek and save the lost. To the Protestant point about saved by faith that you bring up, Jesus forgiving, absolving, and saving the thief can point to the Sacrament of Confession, the Sacrament he gave to the Apostles telling them whatever they forgive is forgiven. Beyond faith and works repentance and contrition is needed for salvation.
 
Hi @thurman76, welcome to CAF!

This thread from three months ago may help you find the answer to your question.
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Hell vs Gehenna vs Hades vs Sheol Sacred Scripture
Hell vs Gehenna vs Hades vs Sheol What’s the actual difference between all of these? They are all mentioned in Scripture.
 
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Purgatory/Ghenna/Abraham’s bosom/Hell/Hades
Purgatory is a state of purification before entry into Heaven.
Gehenna is Hell, it was used by Jesus to refer to a dump that was on fire that never went out and people used to sacrifice their babies there too.
Abraham’s Bosom was where the just waited before Jesus opened Heaven for them.
Hell is where the damned go for eternity although Jesus didn’t descend to this Hell as the meaning changed from the abode of the dead.
Hades is the Greek term for the abode of the dead.

Hopefully I haven’t made a mistake.
 
Note: Lazarus was being comforted in Abraham’s bosom. There is no comfort in hell. Both were destined for heaven, but the gates were still closed. They were in Sheol, the abode of the dead and not the hell of the damned.

You are correct in not being released until you have paid every penny. Read 1 Corinthians 3:10-14. Saint Paul describes what happens. At death, we are judged by our works. If our works withstand the purifying fire, we will receive a reward. If our works are burnt up, we will still be saved, but only as if passing through fire. Consider:
  1. After death.
  2. At our personal judgment.
  3. Our works will be tested.
  4. If they are good, we are good to go, and receive our reward.
  5. If they were not so good, but done in faith, hope and love, we are still saved.
  6. But - and this is crucial - only as though passing through the Refiner’s fire.
  7. That fire is a purging of dross, a cleansing, purification, i.e. purgatory.
As to salvation by faith alone, Dr. David Anders has distilled it nicely. He was a fervent Presbyterian, happy to lead Catholics away from the Church toward what he believed was the truth. He explains the doctrine of salvation by faith alone (it is nowhere in the bible!) as being the circular argument: “I am saved by my faith because I believe that faith alone saves me.” See the flaw in this? What if that soul is just flat out wrong? Oooops!

100% of the descriptions of our judgment refer to being judged on what we have done: our works of charity. Faith is both necessary and assumed as our foundation upon which we perform works of charity. Some bible Christians believe that sin no longer matters, that we somehow apparently bypass judgment by pleading the blood of Christ.

Very sadly, a lot of souls are in for a shock at their particular (personal) judgment. Refer to Saint Paul above: he nowhere and never makes any such reference to faith “alone” as being a get out of hell free card, or salvation having no cost.
 
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Gehenna was originally the valley of Hinnom outside Jerusalem, a place where trash including unclaimed human bodies, was burnt. Our Lord used this name to refer to the future place of punishment.

It is understood as being one of the metonyms of Hell.

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@thurman76 the link @BartholomewB posted is helpful. Here is the comment I posted there:

Gehenna is the Greek word for Hell in English. It is the same thing as the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation Ch.20. Sheol is the Hebrew word translated Hades (which is a transliteration from Greek). Prior to the NT, Hades was simply the realm of the dead. But by the NT, Hades became synonymous with the “temporary” place of suffering where only the wicked go, because after Jesus’ death, He took the righteous from the “good part” (Abraham’s bosom)(Luke Ch.16) to Heaven. Revelation Ch.20 states that all those who will be in Hades at the end of human history will be cast into the lake of fire (ie: Hell).
 
Gehenna is HELL…

Greek Hades/Hebrew Sheol - is distinct from Gehanna
and is akin to a prison which is not HELL and which in English sometimes if translated as “hell”.

In English usage the word " Hades " first appears around 1600, as a transliteration of the Greek word “ᾅδης” in the line in the Apostles’ Creed, “He descended into hell”, the place of waiting (the place of "the spirits in prison " 1 Peter 3:19) into which Jesus is there affirmed to have gone after the Crucifixion.

In 1 Peter 4 - we read that Jesus preached the Gospel to those in Hades (those are those who disobeyed in the time of Noah)
 
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