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Oh I know that the latter is more dangerous as Fr. Amorth and other demonologists/Exorcists state.

Still the theistic ones seem more exciting and they do weird stuff and try to get possessed. Just my morbid curiosity- I am a believing Catholic. The LeVeyist seem like atheists that dress up.

I mean no disrespect though, the posters here have been excellently charitable. We all have to make our journeys of Faith
 
I would be very interested in hearing from a theistic Satanist as this seems more interesting than LaVey’s Satanism…

Perhaps these individuals would be less likely to post here however.
Theistic Satanism has a myriad of beliefs, because, like so many other forms of paganism, for that is what it ultimately is, it places greater emphasis on orthopraxy (right ritual and action) than it does on orthodoxy (right doctrine, dogma, and belief).

The first assumption, then, is that certain men have an instrinsic capability to performs unusual feats with their minds, usually a harnessing of supernatural ‘energy’, and which can explore the ‘otherworlds’. The orthopraxy, then, is the right ritual and action which they have arrived at to show others how they, too, may grow in awareness and, ultimately, in knowledge.

A Catholic may believe in the Blessed Trinity because of concepts like the authority of the Church and argument; but such a pagan believes that all men find truth in personal experimentation and observation. As Crowley termed magic, it is a ‘science’ as well as an ‘art’; the science bit being that formulae which work for me also work for you.

From here, we continue to view that a Theistic Satanist is, in fact, usually a polytheist. They do not believe in a single ‘owner-operator’ of the universe who had created it, as a monotheist does, and against whose authority rebelled certain of his praeternatural creation. Instead, they believe that ‘the divine’ is composed of hundreds of thousands of individual personalities, all of them more powerful and wise than are humans, and all of which are highly mysterious.

Lastly, we will see that such people may view YHWH as being a desert god, a localised god (as are all deities to their thinking), and a god who sought to impose upon his worshippers a certain slavery through conditioning.

They trace an evolution in ancient Hebrew thought:

First, ‘you shall obey no god, but me.’
Second, ‘you shall obey no god, but the True God, even myself, for here I am alone; there is no god where I am.’
Thirdly, ‘all other deities which you are aware of are evil and demonic fallen angels’.

The Law is viewed as being the interaction of this god with his worshippers in the way of imposing control over them. He transgressed, they say, the relationship of a worshipped deity who exchanges praise for certain gifts, like making rain or providing relief from anxiety or fear.

Everything after this is a matter of opinion which is personally held by each practitioner, but mostly, they will worship either a set of ancient gods who were eventually viewed as being demons, like Lucifer, Ba’al, or Ishtar; or else, as Setians do, they will resurrect some of the deities of Egypt.

Lastly, it is absolutely essential to bear in mind that Theistic Satanism is largely, although not exclusively, about reviving a belief in Middle-Eastern religions that pre-date the formation of the Hebrews or Persians into monotheists; and of worshipping the deities of those cultures.

They usually have more in common with Yezidis than they would with the sort of stuff you would expect from someone devoted to reliving *The Exorcist.

*Then, there’s the truly nutty of this variety of Satanism who will view ‘gods’ as being ET’s, but that’s a different matter altogether, and I simply detest UFOlogy and therefore am biased against understanding it.
 
That’s very interesting- thanks.

Your last paragraph kind of sounds like Scientologists!

I have read some interesting things written by theistic satanists about their meditation and interaction with beings they feel are supernatural and they have given demonic names. They describe these entities as handsome or beautiful manifestations with various colors and such that fit with thier understandings of the nature of these beings.

Granted these accounts are likely fiction but then again most accounts of Christian visions are also, and in my opinion if not purposefully contrived, may be of demonic origin. These may be the most dangerous of all in fact. We read of that silliness in Georgia for instance and other incidents condemned by the Church.

Thanks again!
God bless.
 
I see. But, how do they make of the angels that wished to be “with” humans if this is what humans are?
Of course, I mean the fallen angels. Would that make them also like the most vicious of them all by thinking of it even?
They don’t believe in angels. Remember that the average LV Satanist is either Agnostic or Atheist.
 
Loving God is a real romance don’t you think? There are every many ways we grow in our love for God, each of us. Everyday.

Look back at my replies to B&B. I deducted that B&B was a woman and compassionate for thinking such., I did not agree with her however. I told her that there would be no sense in believeing in a God that could change their mind, because they would cease to be God if they could.

It tells you no such thing. It tells you only what she wrote. She believes God will hear her prayer, and I told her that only if it is His will- but in any event her prayer is not wasted. It will be attributed to another soul.

We would all do well to get to know God more. That statement is very arrogant. We can’t know how much B&B loves God, and if it’s any indication that she even has hope for one guaranteed to damnation… That means she is also praying also for the worst of sinners, something I need to do more.:o

I know that. I did not say you did attack her, I said she does not attack those who don’t agree with her.
There is a world of difference in the two.🙂
Here’s a post from B&B. I rest my case.
I can’t say I know God just yet. I may be Catholic on the outside, but I am Agnostic at heart. I think there’s more to him. 😛 But I won’t find that out until I’m dead. :cool: In the meantime, I’ll learn the points of view in other beliefs just for the heck of it! 😃
 
Allegrefe,

I still don’t see your point about your quoted comment from Imryl.

Unless I missed something, an agnostic at heart is not a person without hope.
 
They don’t believe in angels. Remember that the average LV Satanist is either Agnostic or Atheist.
Agnostics don’t totally deny the supernatural.
Athiests may or may not, but that is another ball of wax since athiests are all different in their “beliefs”.
You are talking to one “in limbo” now.
 
One young man (12-13) turned up at mass wearing a T shirt that said ‘The Devil Rides Out’ with a lurid although not obscene or graphic illustration.
I love that book! And the film even more so!
And if ever there was a clear tale of good triumphing over evil, that would be it 🙂
 
Also, I’ve said so in a pm but I think I’ll say again here, lmryl is definitely to most interesting poster in this thread, I think we should hear more of her views. I’m intrigued by her relationship (or lack of) with the Church and with God.
 
who was that in the OT that dared to "challenge"God to get Him to change His mind about destroying a city? if i were to find say 10 rightous men would you spare the city.if i were to find one rightous man would you spare the city.God agreed to change His mind…
Actually God didn’t change His mind at all, although He did indeed acknowledge Abraham pleading for Sodom and Gomorrah (it was Abraham - Genesis Ch 18).

Guess what - if you read the whole story, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed anyway, in spite of Abraham’s pleading. Just as God always intended to destroy them. Since He doesn’t change His mind about such things.

Note especially how Abraham ‘bargains’ down to ten people at the end. God accepts - knowing full well in His omnisicience that there were NOT ten righteous people IN Sodom and Gomorrah. Rather (and very conveniently for God 🤷 ) there were four at most - Lot, his wife and two daughters. Three if you don’t count the wife who was turned into a pillar of salt for disobedience.

Although of course those righteous citizens (Lot and his daughters) were spared, doubtless this was because God had always intended to spare them.
 
LORD Jesus
I Submit this child **Arnoagns **into ur arms. Please take care of him and remove him from the evil snares and traps of the enemy of Man’s Salvation The Devil . LORD Jesus Guide him into the right paths and let him realise what he follows is nothing but a road to total destruction. As you appeared to St Paul on the road to Damascus and Converted the Fanatic Pharisee called Saul to the great St Paul, I urge you to please make him realise the true meaning of human lives on this earth and the only God to be Worshiped is you and no one else…Amen
I request all The CAF Members to Pray for this Child.
 
Praying for lmryl and Arnoagns, and for any/all other participants of this thread who are in most need of God’s mercy. :gopray2:
 
AMEN

Why in the world are we so respectful to a philosophy that defines itself by it’s opposition to God? Why do we rip other Christians apart based on what amount to minor disagreements over theology but bend over backwards to be respectful to those who seem to set themselves up in opposition to God?
I would say that sometimes the reason there is a more “genteel” approach to non-Christians is that there may not be the same or similar foundation of Christian principles that varying denominations of Christianity share. From my Catholic perspective - since the ultimate goal is to convert and evangelize, being overly antagonistic to non-christians is similar to kicking dust into the eyes of blind kid. Not terribly fair. However, once knowledge is attained and then REJECTED, the same scenario doesn’t exist.

However, at that point, better to kick the dust from your feet and go your way as St. Paul said. (not into anyone’s face however;))
 
Greetings,

I am a new member here and am a LeVeyan Satanist. I believe in tolerance and I’m here for intellectual conversations about religion, nothing more. We’re not as harmful as we sound, not even close. And though our beliefs are different I know we can get along just fine. If you do wish to flame me, insult me, curse me to the depths of oblivion, or anything else, remember I am still a child. Well, essentially, technically a teenager. But not an adult, none the less.

DON’T try to convert me, that is a step too far, even if you have righteous motives they’ll be in vain. Here’s to looking forward to many conversations. Cheers,

Arnoagns
God often leads non-believers to the well. I was once an non-believer, and I’ve known many others. Welcome! (albeit two years later).

Timothy
 
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Greetings,
I am a new member here and am a LeVeyan Satanist. I believe in tolerance and I’m here for intellectual conversations about religion, nothing more. We’re not as harmful as we sound, not even close. And though our beliefs are different I know we can get along just fine. If you do wish to flame me, insult me, curse me to the depths of oblivion, or anything else, remember I am still a child. Well, essentially, technically a teenager. But not an adult, none the less.
DON’T try to convert me, that is a step too far, even if you have righteous motives they’ll be in vain. Here’s to looking forward to many conversations. Cheers,
OK 🤷

So what is that brings to the CATHOLIC FORUM?

I only explain and defend the singular truth. Conversions is God’s bag. You’ve heard of Him I take it?
 
Why is a thread from November of 08 being resurrected? Especially this one? LOL:confused:
God often leads non-believers to the well. I was once an non-believer, and I’ve known many others. Welcome! (albeit two years later).

Timothy
 
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