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[sambos671]

Why does everything unnatural get compared to being black?

Being a Satanist, is not like being Black.
Being a Homosexual, is not like being Black.

Being black is natural, the immoral inflictions above are not natural.

I have no problem with black people living in my neighborhood or being on my television.

black in china is a good thing.

 

[jfhh]

Why does everything unnatural get compared to being black?

Being a Satanist, is not like being Black.
Being a Homosexual, is not like being Black.

Being black is natural, the immoral inflictions above are not natural.

I have no problem with black people living in my neighborhood or being on my television.

As long as they are not interfering with your pursuit of happiness, they are not being immoral.

So you have a problem with Satanists living in your neighborhood. What about Hindus? Jews? Muslims? Are there any religions besides Satanism that you have this problem with?

So you have a problem with homosexuals living in your neighborhood. Why? How are they harming you?

Prejudice has many forms. Religious prejudice is one kind of prejudice. Homophobia is another. Racial is another.

 

[LDNCatholic]

As long as they are not interfering with your pursuit of happiness, they are not being immoral.

I had no idea the American Constitution was universally authoritative.

Does it interfere with a Satanist’s ‘‘pursuit’’ of happiness if you avoid forming friendships with them based on irreconcileable ideological differences?

 

[sambos671]

*IV. Hell, the Devil, and How to Sell Your Soul

In this essay LaVey now explains why, if he does not believe in literal concepts of gods or devils, he chose the name “Satanism” to describe his religion.

LaVey points out the Hebraic origin of the word “Satan” as a term to mean “adversary”, not only applied to a supernatural being but to any person who is your opponent. He likewise describes the mythological and literary significance of Satan in history, from the Greek Pan to the “scapegoat” used to absorb men’s sins to the co-opting of pagan deities and devils by Christianity.

LaVey’s final assessment is that as Satan and all the devils have represented man’s carnal nature made sinful, and the opposition of everything from servile god-worship to conformity, Satan as a literary and mythological figure is the ideal symbol for a religion that exalts man’s carnal and independent nature. LaVey’s view of Satan might be best compared to John Milton’s literary Satan, a proud and independent beast.*

~The Satanic Bible en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible

Ha! It’s cool. Careful with calling me “buddy”, though; I get the impression that you people *think *I’m a guy.

Please to meet you. Hope you guess my name.

 

[jfhh]

JMJ, I don’t ask for “high respect” I’m just asking for tolerance, do not insult my religion, please. I noticed some people are still saying I worship Satan, that I do not.

Yes, and we also shouldn’t insult people who do choose to worship Satan. We should respect each other and the choices we make. You can’t ask people to respect your religion and beliefs while not reciprocating.

I don’t if Satan exists, but if he does, we should love him just as God loves him. We should in our love, have sweet affection for him. When someone is ill, our love should be all the more tender; this goes for both physical illness as well as spiritual illness. When someone is physically dead, our love becomes all the more sacred and tender, and we lay flowers in their memory. When someone is spiritually dead, like Satan is alleged to be beyond the point of no return, our love should likewise be all the more sacred and tender.

Jesus said to love our enemies. Who would better qualify as an enemy than Satan whose very name means “adversary”. And God is no hypocrite; he would love his own enemies, especially Satan.

If Satan exists and we are really serious about believing in his existence and not just giving lip service to something we actually believe to be a fairy tale, then we have to ask ourselves … maybe all our unkindness towards Satan, maybe all our condemnation of him, maybe the removal of all hint of affection towards him is partly responsible for a continued hardening of his spirit. If Satan and other angels are real and we truly believe that, then we must believe that we can affect them just as they can affect us. We can make angels rejoice and make angels rejoice less, make fallen angels angry and make them angry less. Let’s not sin against Satan; he is our neighbor just as much as anyone else is.

But I don’t think Satan exists as an individual being. I think it is just a simplification or accomodation to our minds. The bible makes it clear that the angelic realm surpasses our understanding. Just as the 7 day creation is a simplification or metaphor, so is Satan. There are no bad angels. Just angels with different opinions. IMO, no one not even angels have seen God. That’s what the OT says and heaven existed back then for the angels … so no one will ever see God. He lets the universe evolve on its own. It makes it more beautiful. The way he has set things up though makes it evolve dynamically in a beautiful way where we are free but where we can also be at peace in his preemptive providence.

 

[jfhh]

I had no idea the American Constitution was universally authoritative.

Does it interfere with a Satanist’s ‘‘pursuit’’ of happiness if you avoid forming friendships with them based on irreconcileable ideological differences?

No it doesn’t. I never said you were immoral; I said you were being prejudiced. Now you admit you are prejudiced. You say you wouldn’t be friends with Satanists.

 

[Col317]

JMJ, I agree with you 100% and I’ve seen that Fr. Corapi talk.

bbarrick: I also agree with you. I think a teenager posited the idea that not “highly respecting” (as JMJ said above) Satan or, rather, the views of “Satanists” (of any variety) is like prejudice against blacks. I don’t understand why that conclusion was drawn specifically regarding blacks. As I said above, I think the person confused prejudice with (good or bad) judgment.

Excellent thread.

Col317

 

[LDNCatholic]

No it doesn’t. I never said you were immoral; I said you were being prejudiced. Now you admit you are prejudiced. You say you wouldn’t be friends with Satanists.

That isn’t what I said, read my post again, I didn’t mention myself in the ‘‘is it interfering with their pursuit of happiness question’’ and I didn’t say that is what I would do. And if you check back I was talking about individual Satanists, only using them because they are the subject of this thread. Nowhere in my post did I imply you should not get to know them before deciding to cut off a friendship/not try to form one.

I also didn’t say you called me immoral.

Re read my post and have another crack at an answer.

 

[Gatell]

It’s called Satanism just because that’s the name, I’m trying really hard to be patient with you all, but come on. Insulting my religion is not going to change anything and I don’t like it. I have not insulted your religions so please, respect mine. I understand that it seems like Satanists have tried to stop your religions but your religions have also tried to stop mine. Please, be courteous, just because I chose something you think is wrong doesn’t mean it is wrong. God could deceive just as easily as Satan can and I believe in neither.

Blade and Blood, I am a teenager buddy , 16 years old, in fact. I’m not asking for attention, the reason for the thread title was because I am being upfront with all of you. Not the shock factor, just honesty. I’m a nice kid, really, just get to know me .

OK,

I give; you are a Satanist (and exactly the way you say you are)

However, folk around here are going to pray for you and maybe evangelize a little. You know, the title and all.

I gave you advise before on a recent post, that still holds. I will add this though. Just in case, for your sake; DON’T SIGN ANYTHING!!! ESPECIALLY IN BLOOD! lol
Just in case, just sayin

God Bless,

Victor

 

[bbarrick8383]

As long as they are not interfering with your pursuit of happiness, they are not being immoral.

They do.

So you have a problem with Satanists living in your neighborhood. What about Hindus? Jews? Muslims? Are there any religions besides Satanism that you have this problem with?

Nope, just Satanist and Homosexuals. Now, if a group of Muslims moved next door and gave me a reason to be suspicious, then maybe. But I have enough common sense to know that most Muslims are not terrorists.

So you have a problem with homosexuals living in your neighborhood. Why? How are they harming you?

There are a rare few who understand the harm their actions can have on a society. I do not have a problem with them because they tend not to display it publicly.

Prejudice has many forms. Religious prejudice is one kind of prejudice. Homophobia is another. Racial is another.

I’m not prejudice towards anyone.
Satanism is not a religion, regardless of it’s beliefs.
Phobia - an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation.

I would not consider Homophobia a relevant word here. I just do not approve of them announcing their sexual desires to the world, or my neighborhood in this case.

I also know a lot of people feel the same way I do, however I do not know anyone who is homophobic and jumps on a chair when they see a gay person.

I’d just call it speaking my mind.

 

[RubyT]

AMEN

Why in the world are we so respectful to a philosophy that defines itself by it’s opposition to God? Why do we rip other Christians apart based on what amount to minor disagreements over theology but bend over backwards to be respectful to those who seem to set themselves up in opposition to God?

We are not being respectful to a philosophy but rather a person with a philosophical viewpoint different from ours. We are respectful to gain their attention as it is our calling to show others, all others, the ways of Jesus Christ. It is not the believers that need our help, but the unbelievers. How are they to listen to us or even converse with us if we are not respectful. Love thy neighbor not just those who live close to you. Respectfulness in no way says we condone their beliefs.
You get more bees with honey my friend.

I want the bees, I am after the bees, gimme those bees.

 

[jfhh]

Nope, just Satanist and Homosexuals. Now, if a group of Muslims moved next door and gave me a reason to be suspicious, then maybe. But I have enough common sense to know that most Muslims are not terrorists.

So what are “most” Satanists and Homosexuals that bothers you?

There are a rare few who understand the harm their actions can have on a society. I do not have a problem with them because they tend not to display it publicly.

So if two people love each other you say they should just keep it hush hush? I hope you don’t think most homosexuals are into crude public displays. Are you somehow endangered if two women lovers hold hands in public? Or what if they limited it to verbal expression. Should they whisper real quiet so no one else near them would hear? Should they not go out to a restaurant for a romantic dinner with lit candles since it would be obvious they were in love? Sounds like segregation or worse.

I just do not approve of them announcing their sexual desires to the world, or my neighborhood in this case.

I’d just call it speaking my mind.

So you think you should be able to speak your mind, but two lovers shouldn’t be able to speak their mind by holding hands in public or chastely kissing (just pecks on the lips) in public or by verbally declaring their love or going out for a candle lit dinner?

The Vatican btw proposed Christianophobia as a word for prejudice against Christians. Prejudice against homosexuals exists. What you call it is neither here nor there.

 

[LilyM]

*IV. Hell, the Devil, and How to Sell Your Soul

In this essay LaVey now explains why, if he does not believe in literal concepts of gods or devils, he chose the name “Satanism” to describe his religion.

LaVey points out the Hebraic origin of the word “Satan” as a term to mean “adversary”, not only applied to a supernatural being but to any person who is your opponent. He likewise describes the mythological and literary significance of Satan in history, from the Greek Pan to the “scapegoat” used to absorb men’s sins to the co-opting of pagan deities and devils by Christianity.

LaVey’s final assessment is that as Satan and all the devils have represented man’s carnal nature made sinful, and the opposition of everything from servile god-worship to conformity, Satan as a literary and mythological figure is the ideal symbol for a religion that exalts man’s carnal and independent nature. LaVey’s view of Satan might be best compared to John Milton’s literary Satan, a proud and independent beast.*

~The Satanic Bible en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible

And? As I said, ‘Christ’ means anointed one. The word could be, and probably was before His time, used to describe other people (kings and prophets and such).

NOW, of course, Christ is only ever used to describe one person. And if I tried to call myself ‘Christian’ when worshipping someone other than Jesus THE Christ, and tried to persuade others that it was ok to refer to someone else as ‘Christ’, I’d look ridiculous and moreover be wrong.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

And? As I said, ‘Christ’ means anointed one. The word could be, and probably was before His time, used to describe other people (kings and prophets and such).

NOW, of course, Christ is only ever used to describe one person. And if I tried to call myself ‘Christian’ when worshipping someone other than Jesus THE Christ, and tried to persuade others that it was ok to refer to someone else as ‘Christ’, I’d look ridiculous and moreover be wrong.

And what? People on this forum, including the LaVeyan Satanist himself wanted to know why LaVey chose the term “Satanism”. That’s the answer.

If it makes more sense, I’ll say that Satanists *embody *the Devil, therefore worshipping themselves. So, it’s quite valid and, hopefully, easier to understand.

 

[RubyT]

Arnoagns

But I think everyone in the world needs to realize that they could be wrong. There’s no saying who’s right until it’s over, there’s no such thing as a sure thing.

I KNOW that I am right because The Holy Spirit came to me in an undeniable and profound way. God touched me, He paralyzed me with power and engulfed with love. At first for a split second it was somewhat scary because I was not sure what was happening at the time and He hit me like a thunderbolt. The experience was pure ecstacy. Within moments I understood so very much. God does exist. I disagree with you that everyone needs to realize they are wrong. If you experienced what I experienced you would also Know. You do not know nor have you ever felt this so I understand your position. But I do know God exist. I don’t just believe it: I know it. You can’t argue with my knowledge and yet I can only speak for myself.

 

[bbarrick8383]

So what are “most” Satanists and Homosexuals that bothers you?

So if two people love each other you say they should just keep it hush hush? I hope you don’t think most homosexuals are into crude public displays. Are you somehow endangered if two women lovers hold hands in public? Or what if they limited it to verbal expression. Should they whisper real quiet so no one else near them would hear? Should they not go out to a restaurant for a romantic dinner with lit candles since it would be obvious they were in love? Sounds like segregation or worse.

So you think you should be able to speak your mind, but two lovers shouldn’t be able to speak their mind by holding hands in public or chastely kissing (just pecks on the lips) in public or by verbally declaring their love or going out for a candle lit dinner?

The Vatican btw proposed Christianophobia as a word for prejudice against Christians. Prejudice against homosexuals exists. What you call it is neither here nor there.

What part of I do not want to see it in my neighborhood am I not making clear here? To me, these are two things that should be intolerable. Homosexuality and Satanism. Tell you what, I’ll throw more people in here. Pro-Abortion, if you are pro-abortion, chances are we are not going to get along. Move next door to me and I find out you are a Homosexual, Satanist or pro-abortion and I will probably ignore you. I would not welcome you as I would a honest true to God christian that has respect for traditional lifestyles and child rearing.

I’m not going to beat you up or anything, I’m just going to ignore you. I have that right, just as they have their rights. When my child asks me why those two guys are kissing I will tell him to ignore them as well. How is a parent supposed to deal with that, “oh son sometimes when a man loves someone he has to first figure out whether or not he wants to love a man or a woman before he can love them.” No, ignore them son, c’mon let’s go play ball.

They should not be allowed to marry. They should not interfere by public display or whatever means with traditional family life and child raising.

The same will apply to a Satanist, ignored, a pro-abortionist, ignored. See how that works? Maybe they will go off and think about their choices since they have been shunned by society. I am not Prejudice against someone for something they were born with, and I’m not about to be baited into an argument on where homosexuality tends to come from. But, I will say that I guarantee if you look at a Homosexuals life, a person who considers himself a Satanists life, and a pro-abortionists life, you will find some similarities.

What I call it is here, a few posts back as a matter of fact.

BTW, when a bunch of radical Muslim terrorists try to kill a whole town of Christians unless they convert, that could be considered a phobia. They are afraid of Christians so they must kill them. I do not see homosexuals or satanist being chased out of towns by the thousands.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Radical Anarchists are another while I’m at it. Yup, you got it, self proclaimed anarchists just like Mr. Ayers himself. Ignored.

 

[JMJ_coder]

As long as they are not interfering with your pursuit of happiness, they are not being immoral.

So if a Satanist needs a consecrated Host to desecrate in a black mass to pursue what he believes is happiness, we have an obligation to provide such?

So you have a problem with Satanists living in your neighborhood. What about Hindus? Jews? Muslims? Are there any religions besides Satanism that you have this problem with?

So you have a problem with homosexuals living in your neighborhood. Why? How are they harming you?

Let me ask, would you - perhaps as a parent - have a problem with someone the state has labeled a sexual predator living in your neighborhood?

But, unless they hold gay pride parades on your street, or the black clouds start circling - how would you know? Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t know those in my neighborhood quite that well.

Prejudice has many forms. Religious prejudice is one kind of prejudice. Homophobia is another. Racial is another.

The equating of the recognition of active homosexuality as gravely disordered morally and homophobia is a blatant falsehood (and I wonder who came up with that whooper – hint, hint begins with s, ends with n, has ata in the middle and was referenced in John 8).

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Arnoagns

I KNOW that I am right because The Holy Spirit came to me in an undeniable and profound way. God touched me, He paralyzed me with power and engulfed with love. At first for a split second it was somewhat scary because I was not sure what was happening at the time and He hit me like a thunderbolt. The experience was pure ecstacy. Within moments I understood so very much. God does exist. I disagree with you that everyone needs to realize they are wrong. If you experienced what I experienced you would also Know. You do not know nor have you ever felt this so I understand your position. But I do know God exist. I don’t just believe it: I know it. You can’t argue with my knowledge and yet I can only speak for myself.

…

With all due respect, :ehh: I think you might want to get that checked out.

 

[JMJ_coder]

So if two people love each other you say they should just keep it hush hush? I hope you don’t think most homosexuals are into crude public displays. Are you somehow endangered if two women lovers hold hands in public? Or what if they limited it to verbal expression. Should they whisper real quiet so no one else near them would hear? Should they not go out to a restaurant for a romantic dinner with lit candles since it would be obvious they were in love? Sounds like segregation or worse.

The problem there is that that goes from a private mortal sin, to become a public mortal sin - giving rise to scandal and setting a terrible example for others. Active homosexuality is gravely disordered – no ifs, ands, or buts about it. It cannot be condoned, justified, supported, or tolerated.

Please also note that we love the sinners, but hate the sins that are eating away at there souls. And since we love them, we must tell them of their error so that they may correct themselves.