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man … why do you guys have such a hard time simply owing up to the fact that your church did some bad things in the past? Why all the darn excuses (I mean it really does you guys no good).

I’m thinking about the Army & trying to conjure up excuses for poor behavior. That’s the worse darn thing you can do as a soldier. You’re way better off being a man, sucking it up, and saying yes First SGT I screwed up & I have no excuse; but I apologize and it won’t happen again. Sure, you might be in the dog house for a week or two (but maybe not) … but try coming up with an excuse and refusing to take ownership for your screw up (you’ll be wishing for that dog house let me assure you).

Owning up to wrongs is part of what integrity is all about, since no man or institution that I’ve ever heard of is perfect. Moreover, admitting imperfection is part of humility.
Alright, you want integrity, the CC has owned up to her past mistakes, in fact, John Paul II pretty much apologized for every pass misdeed (the Crusades, the inquisition, treatment of Jews . . . ) to the world. Yet you still feel the need to throw her mistakes in our face. Is that being humble, Francis, or is that your attempt at feeling superior?
 
I’m not familiar with Kreeft … but I’ve already aptly given my opinion on the concept of relativism. I think it’s a fallacious concept – and if you begin with a flawed premise from the outset; then everything that follows will probably be pretty useless.
Francis, are you saying you disagree with moral relativism?
 
I was interested in knowing how many of you have read the “God Delusion” and whether or not this had an effect on your decision to become an atheist? And can you please give the reasons posited by Dawkins that you agreed with? If you haven’t read Dawkins you’re still very much welcomed to respond and add your two cents (in a respectful manner).

God bless! 😉
I built up enough courage to challenge my faith, and like many former Christians living today, “The God Delusion”, was my first direct challenge to what I had been told to believe my entire life.

It greatly assisted in opening my eyes, and it helped me take of my religious blinders that had kept me in a Roman Catholic box, for most of my life.

I read several other books on the subject of there being no God. I then made a last effort to hold onto a belief in supernatural Gods, myths, magic and spirits by looking at Protestantism.

Thankfully, my rational mind demanded to be listened to and I realized that it was all a fraud, not just Christianity, but Deism in general.

Here I am now.
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Seriously, did someone go to the I used to be catholic and now I’m just mad forum and invite these people here?

All angry atheists and agnotics: Newsflash!

THIS IS A CATHOLIC SITE CALLED CATHOLIC ANSWERS (go figure) AND YOU WILL FIND CATHOLIC ANSWERS HERE. IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING FOR CATHOLIC ANSWERS, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND TAKE SATAN WITH YOU.

Thanks!

God Bless and Take Care

~HC
 
Seriously, did someone go to the I used to be catholic and now I’m just mad forum and invite these people here?

All angry atheists and agnotics: Newsflash!

THIS IS A CATHOLIC SITE CALLED CATHOLIC ANSWERS (go figure) AND YOU WILL FIND CATHOLIC ANSWERS HERE. IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING FOR CATHOLIC ANSWERS, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND TAKE SATAN WITH YOU.

Thanks!

God Bless and Take Care

~HC
I have news for you, so you’d better sit down.

Now that your comfortably seated, take a few deep breaths, that’s right, deep breaths, in through your nose and out through your mouth. You can feel the tension just melting away…ok, now that your nice and calm, here’s the news I promised to tell you.

Satan, just like the Christian God, does not exist.

Although, you want me to leave, I cannot take this Satan with me, as I cannot take, that which does not exist.
 
I built up enough courage to challenge my faith, and like many former Christians living today, “The God Delusion”, was my first direct challenge to what I had been told to believe my entire life.

It greatly assisted in opening my eyes, and it helped me take of my religious blinders that had kept me in a Roman Catholic box, for most of my life.

I read several other books on the subject of there being no God. I then made a last effort to hold onto a belief in supernatural Gods, myths, magic and spirits by looking at Protestantism.

Thankfully, my rational mind demanded to be listened to and I realized that it was all a fraud, not just Christianity, but Deism in general.

Here I am now.
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You forgot to mention that you also have an anti-Catholic blog. So obviously you feel your “rational mind” demands be to heard by others as well.
 
Are you in prison? :confused:
Er… no?

Let me expand on that answer a little. When I hear an argument, I try to evaluate the argument on its own terms without regard to the identity of the person making the argument.
 
Seriously, did someone go to the I used to be catholic and now I’m just mad forum and invite these people here?

All angry atheists and agnotics: Newsflash!

THIS IS A CATHOLIC SITE CALLED CATHOLIC ANSWERS (go figure) AND YOU WILL FIND CATHOLIC ANSWERS HERE. IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING FOR CATHOLIC ANSWERS, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND TAKE SATAN WITH YOU.

Thanks!

God Bless and Take Care

~HC
Well, I think it was Josie L. who started a thread in the “Non-catholic religions” forum asking atheists to talk about the reasons why they believe what they believe.
 
Well, if this is your idea of researching . . .
As you say, time is precious…
P.S. And trying to compare a man (with no scientific accreditation) who writes about aliens with a scientist of repute who has written many a peer-reviewed article is laughable.
This is the classical appeal-to-authority fallacy; because Callahan has written scientific papers on subjects other than the tilma, what he writes on the tilma must also be scientifically sound. The second does not follow from the first, particularly when the second is making some extraordinary claims.

Linus Pauling, a Nobel-winning chemist, was convinced that vitamin-C helped build up resistance to the common cold. He was wrong about that.
 
And moreover, why hasn’t the scientific community studied the tilma under the circumstances delineated by Neblo to put an end to such supposed “nonsense”? If it is as you say legend then put the legend to rest. That’s how you would go about destroying “mythology”, right? 😉
Because “miraculous relics”, “weeping statues”, “healing crystals”, “ghost whisperers” are two-a-penny, and their record of holding up under critical scrutiny is woeful. Just have a look through the archives of something like JREF or CSICOP.

So there is nothing at all unreasonable or close-minded about assuming that the next supernatural claim that comes along also has a non-supernatural explanation, and quite honestly, I think scientists have enough on their plate doing research into the cutting edges of physics and biology to take time out to debunk every X-File which comes along. Not to mention that there is as much anecdotal evidence in that Skeptical Brief article I linked to suggesting that there’s nothing supernatural about the tilma.

Put it another way; I have a little icon of Mary on my bookcase which a friend brought back as a souvenier from Russia. Can I just make the claim that *it *has no supernatural powers, or do I have to get a certificate from NASA first?
 
Because “miraculous relics”, “weeping statues”, “healing crystals”, “ghost whisperers” are two-a-penny, and their record of holding up under critical scrutiny is woeful. Just have a look through the archives of something like JREF or CSICOP.

So there is nothing at all unreasonable or close-minded about assuming that the next supernatural claim that comes along also has a non-supernatural explanation, and quite honestly, I think scientists have enough on their plate doing research into the cutting edges of physics and biology to take time out to debunk every X-File which comes along. Not to mention that there is as much anecdotal evidence in that Skeptical Brief article I linked to suggesting that there’s nothing supernatural about the tilma.

Put it another way; I have a little icon of Mary on my bookcase which a friend brought back as a souvenier from Russia. Can I just make the claim that *it *has no supernatural powers, or do I have to get a certificate from NASA first?
Holy straw man! Nice diversion, but the topic was the Tilma, no? It’s not something that’s just “the next supernatural claim” It’s been around for almost 500 years and has yet to be explained. Not by you. Not by your skeptics.
 
As you say, time is precious…

This is the classical appeal-to-authority fallacy; because Callahan has written scientific papers on subjects other than the tilma, what he writes on the tilma must also be scientifically sound. The second does not follow from the first, particularly when the second is making some extraordinary claims.

Linus Pauling, a Nobel-winning chemist, was convinced that vitamin-C helped build up resistance to the common cold. He was wrong about that.
And this is the classical B.S. fallacy of comparing a man completely devoid of credibility with that of Dr. Callahan who has established himself within the scientific community.

P.S. Have you proven some theory on the basis of one example . . .
 
Well, I think it was Josie L. who started a thread in the “Non-catholic religions” forum asking atheists to talk about the reasons why they believe what they believe.
Yes, but what were your reasons for joining CAF . . .
 
I built up enough courage to challenge my faith, and like many former Christians living today, “The God Delusion”, was my first direct challenge to what I had been told to believe my entire life.

It greatly assisted in opening my eyes, and it helped me take of my religious blinders that had kept me in a Roman Catholic box, for most of my life.

I read several other books on the subject of there being no God. I then made a last effort to hold onto a belief in supernatural Gods, myths, magic and spirits by looking at Protestantism.

Thankfully, my rational mind demanded to be listened to and I realized that it was all a fraud, not just Christianity, but Deism in general.

Here I am now.
👍
My rational mind tells me you are wrong. God bless.
 
Seriously, did someone go to the I used to be catholic and now I’m just mad forum and invite these people here?

All angry atheists and agnotics: Newsflash!

THIS IS A CATHOLIC SITE CALLED CATHOLIC ANSWERS (go figure) AND YOU WILL FIND CATHOLIC ANSWERS HERE. IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING FOR CATHOLIC ANSWERS, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND TAKE SATAN WITH YOU.

Thanks!

God Bless and Take Care

~HC
No one said it would be easy being a Christian. 😃
 
You forgot to mention that you also have an anti-Catholic blog. So obviously you feel your “rational mind” demands be to heard by others as well.
Yes, seems to be the common syndrome in atheism. :o
 
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