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My husbands 15 year old granddaughter (Lets call her Elise) expressed that she feels attractions towards girls, so considers herself bisexual. (She also has lots of attractions to boys, and often has a “boyfriend” she is pining for talking to and then they break up and then there is a new attraction.) I feel society encourages this on girls, but, I don’t know where it comes from.

Gosh its complicated but I will try to give relative info. She has difficult things in her life and very good things, too. The most difficult is her mother had drug problems when she was - 4 or 5? - and had to go live with her grandmother. (That is my husbands ex, who left because she had same sex attractions. Grandma is now Evangelical Protestant and living a chaste life in order to live how God wants her to live. She is very dedicated to her small church, homeschools her, and has Elise involved in every church function and probably certainly over-pressures her to do well in all things while also shuttling her to every possible educational opportunity. Her grandmother things she has psychological issues and has has her in counseling and on meds and thinks this is inherited from her addict/convict father and his messed up family, whom Elise never sees, and is an inherited problem from his dysfunctional family. IMO, it could be situational instead. But, that can’t be solved here.

Elise’s mom is 8 years clean and trying hard to do things right. Grandma does not want to give up custody and according to her ex and daughter she uses Elise’s mom’s needs for practical help (money) to control the situation. I do understand not wanting to give up what she has poured her life into (caring for Elise) but she ought to validate her own daughter more than she does. But that’s another problem that can’t be solved here. Right now Grandmas is as she has long been the acting parent, that’s just how it is. She spends pats of the weekends and some weeknights with her Mom, but its hard because Grandma keeps her very busy. Mom wishes she could have her daughter back.

Elise feels she is often a “pawn” between the mom and grandma and there is truth to that. Elise visits us occasionally and loves it here. She has expressed that she wishes she could live here but though the situation is difficult it is not dangerous, and we do not want to usurp anyone’s claims of guardianship. She is loved. I do hope she can come more often for respite from the storms. When she is here we get a chance to talk, and this subject - ssa - came up this week. She (and her Mom, who sees this a natural because society today sees it as natural) have mentioned before that Elise thinks she might be “Bi”.

My effort in this conversation was to say, “You don’t want to go in that direction, that’s not good.” And, “What do you think God wants you to do?” (she said not be gay) and I asked what you think God thinks of your SSA feelings? And she said, “He probably doesn’t like them”, and I said, “He understands your feelings. Its okay to have the feelings. He just doesn’t want you to act on them. Like, if an drunk wants another drink, He fully understands. He knows how hard it is for them to not have a drink. He will help the not have one. Its so hard for a drunk not to have a drink that they need God’s hep to do the right thing. You will need God’s help sometimes to do the right thing.”

That’s the start of the conversation. I just did not want her feeling guilty for her feelings. But also wanted her to focus on God not wanting that for her.

I would like to offer her good Christian counsel on this subject. I especially would like to find a good book she could read. Or a good website. She is not a Catholic Christian and her tradition is wary of Catholicism so the focus on Catholic cannot be* too *strong. Although, I like the Courage organization. I wonder if they have anything for teens to read? I do not think she will like anything too long or with too much theory. So, I am hoping for some direction.
 
My husbands 15 year old granddaughter (Lets call her Elise) expressed that she feels attractions towards girls, so considers herself bisexual. (She also has lots of attractions to boys, and often has a “boyfriend” she is pining for talking to and then they break up and then there is a new attraction.) I feel society encourages this on girls, but, I don’t know where it comes from.

Gosh its complicated but I will try to give relative info. She has difficult things in her life and very good things, too. The most difficult is her mother had drug problems when she was - 4 or 5? - and had to go live with her grandmother. (That is my husbands ex, who left because she had same sex attractions. Grandma is now Evangelical Protestant and living a chaste life in order to live how God wants her to live. She is very dedicated to her small church, homeschools her, and has Elise involved in every church function and probably certainly over-pressures her to do well in all things while also shuttling her to every possible educational opportunity. Her grandmother things she has psychological issues and has has her in counseling and on meds and thinks this is inherited from her addict/convict father and his messed up family, whom Elise never sees, and is an inherited problem from his dysfunctional family. IMO, it could be situational instead. But, that can’t be solved here.

Elise’s mom is 8 years clean and trying hard to do things right. Grandma does not want to give up custody and according to her ex and daughter she uses Elise’s mom’s needs for practical help (money) to control the situation. I do understand not wanting to give up what she has poured her life into (caring for Elise) but she ought to validate her own daughter more than she does. But that’s another problem that can’t be solved here. Right now Grandmas is as she has long been the acting parent, that’s just how it is. She spends pats of the weekends and some weeknights with her Mom, but its hard because Grandma keeps her very busy. Mom wishes she could have her daughter back.

Elise feels she is often a “pawn” between the mom and grandma and there is truth to that. Elise visits us occasionally and loves it here. She has expressed that she wishes she could live here but though the situation is difficult it is not dangerous, and we do not want to usurp anyone’s claims of guardianship. She is loved. I do hope she can come more often for respite from the storms. When she is here we get a chance to talk, and this subject - ssa - came up this week. She (and her Mom, who sees this a natural because society today sees it as natural) have mentioned before that Elise thinks she might be “Bi”.

My effort in this conversation was to say, “You don’t want to go in that direction, that’s not good.” And, “What do you think God wants you to do?” (she said not be gay) and I asked what you think God thinks of your SSA feelings? And she said, “He probably doesn’t like them”, and I said, “He understands your feelings. Its okay to have the feelings. He just doesn’t want you to act on them. Like, if an drunk wants another drink, He fully understands. He knows how hard it is for them to not have a drink. He will help the not have one. Its so hard for a drunk not to have a drink that they need God’s hep to do the right thing. You will need God’s help sometimes to do the right thing.”

That’s the start of the conversation. I just did not want her feeling guilty for her feelings. But also wanted her to focus on God not wanting that for her.

I would like to offer her good Christian counsel on this subject. I especially would like to find a good book she could read. Or a good website. She is not a Catholic Christian and her tradition is wary of Catholicism so the focus on Catholic cannot be* too *strong. Although, I like the Courage organization. I wonder if they have anything for teens to read? I do not think she will like anything too long or with too much theory. So, I am hoping for some direction.
I’d recommend Wesley Hill (comes from an Anglican background) and his book “Washed and Waiting.” I’d also recommend the blog spiritualfriendship.org. It is a mix of Christians from various denominations and faith traditions who have same sex attraction and adhere to a traditional sexual ethic, many choose to remain celibate though some have discerned and entered a mixed orientation marriage with a person of the opposite sex.

These articles may be helpful; I just quickly pulled which may be helpful.
spiritualfriendship.org/2016/11/23/podcast-homosexuality-and-christian-faithfulness/
desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-really-best-for-me
spiritualfriendship.org/2016/08/24/voluntary-or-not-celibacy-is-a-gift/
spiritualfriendship.org/2013/08/09/celibacy-and-healing/
 
I’m straight but I had/have fleeting ssa before (I know it’s different than being bisexual) My advice would be to not…push it.

First of all, are you close to her? If you are not, your effort can be misconstrued. She would think you are only reaching out because you don’t want her to have ssa as opposed to genuinely caring about her (other aspects in her life besides religion or ssa). It might also turn her away. You sound like you guys are close in the post, but still, continue to talk to her about other things as well

Second, you already told her what is right and what is wrong. The resources posted can be helpful to her as well.

But why would she follow all of this if she doesn’t really care about God? It might be alright now, but when/if she falls for a really awesome girl and her faith isn’t strong, it is sooooooo easy to go for it and not care if it is a sin. And once you go down there, it would be really hard for her to do anything because she would be in love with a girl.

So besides focusing on SSA, maybe focus more on her faith. A little by little. Be ready to answer any of her questions or direct her to someone that will. I think that’s the most important thing here. Like I said, I’m pretty sure I’m not bisexual, but I know how annoying and uncomfortable it is for someone to be soooo focused on one sin/potential sin. Make sure that this (ssa) isn’t what you talk about all the time. It should be part of the typical conversations you guys have and don’t come across as someone who has planned this whole conversation on SSA. I don’t know her so this is just all of “what would I want to happen if I experience this”

Hope it helps.

One talk I really, really liked is by Fr Mike Schmitz on SSA. Maybe when she is ready to sit through an hour of a priest talking (he is entertaining and this talk is meant for teenagers but still) it would be a good idea to send her the link.
 
I think you did well. Good job. 🙂

The only thing I would have changed is instead of “It’s okay to have the feelings” I would have changed it to “We can’t always control our feelings” nevertheless, very minor, and I think you did well.

I’m not sure about books, hard because there are so many, does she have the Gospels? I think a small Gospels and Psalms book would be perfect.

Another one I liked was ‘Mere Christianity’ by C.S. Lewis. But id probably go Gospels and Psalms first if she doesn’t have those.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I’d recommend Wesley Hill (comes from an Anglican background) and his book “Washed and Waiting.” I’d also recommend the blog spiritualfriendship.org. It is a mix of Christians from various denominations and faith traditions who have same sex attraction and adhere to a traditional sexual ethic, many choose to remain celibate though some have discerned and entered a mixed orientation marriage with a person of the opposite sex.

These articles may be helpful; I just quickly pulled which may be helpful.
spiritualfriendship.org/2016/11/23/podcast-homosexuality-and-christian-faithfulness/
desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-really-best-for-me
spiritualfriendship.org/2016/08/24/voluntary-or-not-celibacy-is-a-gift/
spiritualfriendship.org/2013/08/09/celibacy-and-healing/
Thank you for these links. I am going to look into these!
 
I think you did well. Good job. 🙂

The only thing I would have changed is instead of “It’s okay to have the feelings” I would have changed it to “We can’t always control our feelings” nevertheless, very minor, and I think you did well.

I’m not sure about books, hard because there are so many, does she have the Gospels? I think a small Gospels and Psalms book would be perfect.

Another one I liked was ‘Mere Christianity’ by C.S. Lewis. But id probably go Gospels and Psalms first if she doesn’t have those.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
Thank you for the encouragement, Josh! Elise has had lots of Bible - she has long been in Awana, so lots of scripture memorization, too. And her grandmother had her read Mere Christianity for homeschooling! But thank you. There are other suggestions here to keep me busy.
 
I’m straight but I had/have fleeting ssa before (I know it’s different than being bisexual) My advice would be to not…push it.

First of all, are you close to her? If you are not, your effort can be misconstrued. She would think you are only reaching out because you don’t want her to have ssa as opposed to genuinely caring about her (other aspects in her life besides religion or ssa). It might also turn her away. You sound like you guys are close in the post, but still, continue to talk to her about other things as well

Second, you already told her what is right and what is wrong. The resources posted can be helpful to her as well.

But why would she follow all of this if she doesn’t really care about God? It might be alright now, but when/if she falls for a really awesome girl and her faith isn’t strong, it is sooooooo easy to go for it and not care if it is a sin. And once you go down there, it would be really hard for her to do anything because she would be in love with a girl.

So besides focusing on SSA, maybe focus more on her faith. A little by little. Be ready to answer any of her questions or direct her to someone that will. I think that’s the most important thing here. Like I said, I’m pretty sure I’m not bisexual, but I know how annoying and uncomfortable it is for someone to be soooo focused on one sin/potential sin. Make sure that this (ssa) isn’t what you talk about all the time. It should be part of the typical conversations you guys have and don’t come across as someone who has planned this whole conversation on SSA. I don’t know her so this is just all of “what would I want to happen if I experience this”

Hope it helps.

One talk I really, really liked is by Fr Mike Schmitz on SSA. Maybe when she is ready to sit through an hour of a priest talking (he is entertaining and this talk is meant for teenagers but still) it would be a good idea to send her the link.
Thank you Lea! This was extremely helpful! It really helps to have an informed girl’s opinion of what Elise may be feeling. This especially: "I know how annoying and uncomfortable it is for someone to be soooo focused on one sin/potential sin." – I will remember that. Also, you wrote: "It should be part of the typical conversations you guys have and don’t come across as someone who has planned this whole conversation on SSA." I will work on my own understanding and reflection so I can bring it up again as a natural part of the conversation.

I might have to wait a bit, as, since I did not read this til today and probably would have approached it differently if I had, last night I tried to bring up the topic. I started reading from the Courage website in the Young Adult section on “Is Homosexuality a sin?” It was a short page and a half, and I thought it would encourage her, but I didn’t get far when she got up to go to the bathroom, so when she returned I decided not to finish reading it until I got some feedback into what she was thinking. She said “I don’t want to talk about homosexuality” and, since she had brought up the whole topic earlier in the day, sayignshe might be “Bi”, I felt justified to press it a bit further so I could understand where she was coming from. She started with “it makes me feel bad to talk about it” so I asked what about it makes her feel bad… she doesn’t believe its wrong (a big concern for me, but big enough to know I need to drop it til I have refelcted and have a clear talking strategy) and also, which I did understand more, she said everyone is always talking to her about this subject and she hates it, and everyone is her grandma and her mom, and *people from church…
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So your advice here is much appreciated. Its interesting because after skimming the Courage site last night I find a lecture by Fr. Mike Schmitz! I had it on quiet so she did not think I had it on for her (but, I figured, if she closed the subject that didn’t mean it was closed for me, just closed for her inclusion in it and I wanted to learn something at that point), and also I was half participating in the word game she was playing with her grandpa on the couch while I listened. She asked when she went to bed who it was so I told her. She did not seem bothered by it, but also wondered first if it was a Protestant pastor/lecturer she had heard…

I liked Father Mike especially on his inclusion aspects; the important point that there is no “us/them” - its ALL us. I will listen to that again so I can absorb it.
 
Could it just be a tempory irrational aversion to men in general based on distain for the addicted irresponsible man mentioned?
 
I was going to mention courage, and then I noticed you were already aware of it. Have you looked into Encourage, the related apostolate for family/loved ones of people with SSA? If not, you might look into it. I’m not personally familiar with it to know how active it is, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the folks in that network could give you good advice on helping her and maybe some resources too. I noticed that they have a page to various groups:
couragerc.org/groups/
 
Could it just be a temporary irrational aversion to men in general based on disdain for the addicted irresponsible man mentioned?
Well, she has enough other problems for it not to be that, but, it is troubling to her to not know about that half of her parent family…and I suspect the complete denial and the outraged attitude (that this whole family is terrible, drugs, disorder, crime) of even a suggestion of getting in with this family makes her super-curious, and wonder if some good is not being withheld (like she met a cousin of that family, and likes him, and resents being denied access)… She has a love for the sidelined and those considered unimportant - and perhaps forbidden. Its a charitable compassion but she is also a fantasy dreamer…

The good thing is she has a good loving relationship with her uncle (grandmas young adult son) and also her Grandpa, so she does have loving role models of men in her life. Which is so important. Also in recent years she has my college-age son, who has been a loving new uncle to her.
 
I was going to mention courage, and then I noticed you were already aware of it. Have you looked into Encourage, the related apostolate for family/loved ones of people with SSA? If not, you might look into it. I’m not personally familiar with it to know how active it is, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the folks in that network could give you good advice on helping her and maybe some resources too. I noticed that they have a page to various groups:
couragerc.org/groups/
Thanks so much! Yes, I found Courage! My old Diocese only sponsored Fortunate Families and would not sponsor/support Courage (yes, that was par for that diocese but thank the Lord they have a new bishop now and I imagine that has changed). I navigated the website some but missed Encourage so thank you for pointing it out. I checked it out and the first thing I read is this excellent article: desertstream.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/DSM-Newsletter-Year-End-2014-WEB.pdf
 
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