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My Baptist friend was having a hard time with some things, so I sent her an email about God’s love and forgiveness, trying to help her out a little. The next thing I know, she’s amazed and extremely happy, telling me how awesome it is that I have a “personal” relationship with God. I felt like I’d just “joined the club,” which I’m not at all comfortable with. At any rate, here is her response to my question of why she was so surprised that I have a relationship with God:

“The main reason that I am surprised is because I knew Catholicism to be a religion where people did not have their own relationship with God. Even my mom [she used to be Catholic, but is now Baptist] says that she always went to the priest to confess her sins and stuff so I just kind of assumed that you came from the same thing… I guess I never considered Christian and Catholic to be the same thing because my mom’s family is all Catholic and they believe pretty differently than my family does.”

How can I explain the entire concept of Catholicism to her, especially about how of course we have relationships with God, Confession, and maybe the Eucharist, too? I’m 16, not in the greatest place to defend my faith, and don’t want to mess this up! Thanks for the help!

~Lefty22

P.S. She wants to talk about this on the phone tomorrow, so the sooner, the better. Otherwise I will try to limit us to emails so I can think my responses through a little better.
 
Short term: Let her know that in the Eucharist, you have the most personal relationship with God that exists on the face of this earth. Let her know that Catholic reverence must not be misconstrued as lukewarmness, or a lack of relationship. We do not shout, sing and dance like some others, since we are in the very presence of God in Christ, and that we are temples of the Holy Spirit.

Long term: Ask a bazillion questions here. Also, if you can, get a copy of Catholicism for Dummies(link), as it will explain nearly everything that both you and your friend need to know.

Christ’s peace.
 
Hi lefty,
You could start by pointing out that we, as Catholics, recite the Creed (the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed to be precise) at every Mass. It contains the chief doctrines of the Catholic Faith.
You could then provide cross-reference with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (or CCC as it is referenced) and the appropriate paragraphs are: 195-197 and 242.
Good luck with your discussion.
God Bless,
Colmcille.
 
You need to be kind to her, as from her Baptist position, she may have been taught that the Catholic Church is condemned to hell.
Now that being said, she needs some “church history”.
Start her off with the fact, that the Catholic Church is the “first” and “oldest” christian church.
Inform her that the Catholic “christian” roots can be traced through an unbroken succession of Popes back to JESUS, which makes it 2010 years of age.
Google the Baptist faith to see if you can determine a “start” date, but I don’t think it can’t be before 1500.
Therefore, all christian churches, Baptist or otherwise, if they trace their roots, will discover that they end “in” the Catholic Church. Someone, somewhere was catholic and through confussion or disagreement decided they would start their own brand of christianity.
The goal in your discussion with her is to keep the focus on the “what” that Catholicism and Baptist have in common, which the desire to have a “personal relationship with JESUS”. If she get’s off track keep going back to that.
So, that in the end, the issue is what does it mean and how do you define “a personal relationship” with JESUS. Well clearly it is living HIS words, HIS commandments, HIS teachings and loving and forgiving.
Long term, the goal would be bring the focus of JESUS teaching to HIS body & blood, the Eucharist. It may help to get some Stevie Ray CD’s who was a former Baptist Pastor. Google him and find his web site. His CD’s will be helpful to you and her long term.
 
“How can I explain the entire concept of Catholicism to her, especially about how of course we have relationships with God, Confession, and maybe the Eucharist, too? I’m 16, not in the greatest place to defend my faith, and don’t want to mess this up! Thanks for the help!”

When someone asks for a glass of milk, don’t hand them steak.

Be her friend, accept her way of worshipping God and see if she’s willing to accept yours.

Maybe she’d like to attend Mass with you, if her Mom will allow it.

I’d suggest the Easter Vigil Mass, where she can see Baptism and Eucharist and Confirmation.
 
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“The main reason that I am surprised is because I knew Catholicism to be a religion where people did not have their own relationship with God. Even my mom [she used to be Catholic, but is now Baptist] says that she always went to the priest to confess her sins and stuff so I just kind of assumed that you came from the same thing… I guess I never considered Christian and Catholic to be the same thing because my mom’s family is all Catholic and they believe pretty differently than my family does.”

How can I explain the entire concept of Catholicism to her, especially about how of course we have relationships with God, Confession, and maybe the Eucharist, too? I’m 16, not in the greatest place to defend my faith, and don’t want to mess this up! Thanks for the help!
well, although we do have our own relationship with God, our relationship is also interconnected with all the other Catholics in a different way, since we are all part of the Mystical Body of Christ(the church) where Christ is the head, and we are the limbs,

one thing to understand is, most protestants have the wrong idea of the Catholic faith, and sometimes it just takes a simple explanation of each of the things they are mistaken on to turn them around,
of course it’s a process that’s not going to happen all at once, so you need to have patience with your friend, but just remember that you are Gods friend first and foremost, and despite what others say, you should not “accept” her religion, because by doing that you are not a true friend to either her or God,
now of course to not accept it does not mean to be harsh with her or mocking of her religion, but it simply means to not let her think you approve of it or think that it’s somehow “good”,
the true spirit of ecumenism is not accepting other religions into ours, but instead accepting the people themselves, God want’s us to be charitable to our neighbor, and part of that is bringing them into the true church, and if we do not believe with all of our hearts the the catholic church is the one true church and all other “religions” are false, then who’s gunna take us seriously? if we let others think we accept their religion and are ok with it, then they’re gunna keep on believing in it and thinking it’s good…
we can’t be cruel or cold about it, but they at least have to see that we are firm in our faith.
and let’s not forget, human respect is a vice, and then how much more so is respect for other religions displeasing to God? we must be friends with God first in all things, even at the risk of being hated and scorned by others…
well, i haven’t explained that as well as i could because i want to address your actual questions, but if you want to understand better what i am talking about read this article, which is not very long, and will help you very much in helping your friend also - gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=14178983

ok so first of all, confession,
you haven’t mentioned what your friends views are on confession, so i’ll just go over the more common misconceptions,
such as “i can just confess to God”…well, sure, you can do that, but is that what God told you to do?
we are told in the bible - *"And it came to pass, as he was going to Jerusalem, he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee. And as he entered into a certain town, there met him ten men that were lepers, who stood afar off; And lifted up their voice, saying: Jesus, master, have mercy on us. Whom when he saw, he said: Go, shew yourselves to the priests. And it came to pass, as they went, they were made clean. And one of them, when he saw that he was made clean, went back, with a loud voice glorifying God.

And he fell on his face before his feet, giving thanks: and this was a Samaritan. And Jesus answering, said, Were not ten made clean? and where are the nine? There is no one found to return and give glory to God, but this stranger. And he said to him: Arise, go thy way; for thy faith hath made thee whole." *Luke 17:11

now, see how Jesus commanded them to go to the priests, well, why would He do that? while He could have cured them right then and there,
and then even before they reached the priests, they were “made clean”, so, indeed God can forgive us even before we reach the confessional, so why? - for the sake of obedience,
now lets say that they refused, and said something like “you can just cure us yourself, why should we go to a priest??” do you think Jesus would have cured them then?..most likely not.
there are many things we prove of ourselves by going to a priest for confession, and many things we gain spiritually, but one of the greatest things God asks of us out of confession, is our obedience,
God is all knowing and all loving, He knows what is best for us, and has instituted the sacrament of penance only for our great benefit,
we do not deserve Gods forgiveness, we deserve hell for our sins, God does not have to forgive us, but only does so out of His deep love for us, and so who are we to judge how God wants us to confess our sins? we should be grateful that we may be forgiven at all, and we should accept even harder ways of being forgiven, without complaining…but God gives us this easy way, though of course not always so easy, and even near impossible at certain times in history when Christians were being persecuted…but what i mean is, it’s always available to us, and we are aloud to remain anonymous, and it takes only a few minutes, and we can go as often as we need…i think we have been spoiled by confession in our current time in a way, because years ago, people would travel many miles just to go to confession, they would even risk death, many priests died for the sake of absolving others of their sins, they really knew the true value of it…whereas nowadays, it seems like some would rather die than confess to a priest.
 
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we are also told in the bible - “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.” John 20:21

the meaning is very clear, “whose sins **you **shall forgive, they are forgiven them”
confession has indeed been instituted by Jesus Christ, and He has the power to institute such a thing,
we have many bible passages proving confession, but show me just one explaining how we are to “just confess to God”…of course in confession we are confessing to God alone, but the question is, how has God instituted this confession? that is what i’m asking, how has God instructed us on it?

confession, however, is not just for forgiveness,
confession is also for receiving sanctifying grace back into our souls,
just as baptism takes away your original sin and all other sins you have committed, and gives you sanctifying grace for the first time, confession is there to give it back when you have sinned after baptism,
if Christ saw it fit to institute a sacrament to destroy original sin from our souls, the sin we did not commit, but inherited from Adam, then isn’t it likewise fitting to institute a sacrament for the destruction of our own personal sins which we ourselves committed?

confession is many things, it is an act of obedience, humility, faith, hope, charity, it is not just saying you are sorry, but proving it!
God does not want our cheap and shallow words, we do not show Him our love that way, instead we show Him our love by our actions, we say “i’m sorry” by denying ourselves, and willingly enduring anything just to obtain His forgiveness, it is a proof of love, rather than a few cheap words…
by confession we are also more likely to overcome our sins more quickly and with more ease, not just because of the special graces(although it is always by the grace of God) but also because confession really makes us look at ourselves, it makes us examine our lives and truly not want to sin again,

there are so many benefits to confession, God knew what He was doing when He instituted it…but what are all the wonderful benefits of “just confessing to God”?
there really are none, although you might say “well it’s easier”…but that is not a good thing,
easier also means lazier, and more likely to make you lukewarm and soft with your sins,

or you might say, “well it’s a matter of my relationship with God, which i don’t think has anything to do with a priest!”…and yet we are told in the bible - “Behold the hand of the Lord is not shortened that it cannot save, neither is his ear heavy that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have divided between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you that he should not hear.” Isaias 59:1

and also - *“We have done wickedly, and provoked thee to wrath: therefore thou art inexorable. Thou hast covered in thy wrath, and hast struck us: thou hast killed and hast not spared. Thou hast set a cloud before thee, that our prayer may not pass through.”
  • Lamentations 3:42
sin makes us enemies of God, and He does not answer our prayers…and so how can we “just confess to Him”?, He will not hear it, and so then what kind of relationship do you have which God while in the state of sin? you are His enemy and He will not hear you…but God loves us and does want to forgive, and so instead He has appointed a mediator for us, someone who will speak on our behalf,
of course we are told that Christ alone is the Mediator between God and mankind, but when the priest(or any other person) is called a mediator, it is only strictly in a secondary sense, which we are told by Saint Thomas Aquinas that they are mediators “in that they co-operate in our reconciliation; disposing and ministering to men’s union with God”

alright…i have covered confession probably more than i needed to,
unfortunately i’m just about out of time, so i won’t beable to write any more, but if you need help explaining our relationship with God and the Holy Eucharist, refer to these audio sermons, which can explain these things far better than i can(if you liked what i had to say, then trust me, you will love these) -
www.audiosancto.org
alabamacatholicresources.com/archbishop_fulton_j_sheen.html

alright, hope this helps, take care.
 
Thank you so much! The discussion is going pretty well, and it’s largely thanks to you guys. 🙂 I’m in the midst of trying to explain that we’re the original Church, founded on the apostles. I’ll post if I have more questions, but I wanted to say thank you for the advice.
 
My Baptist friend was having a hard time with some things, so I sent her an email about God’s love and forgiveness, trying to help her out a little. The next thing I know, she’s amazed and extremely happy, telling me how awesome it is that I have a “personal” relationship with God. I felt like I’d just “joined the club,” which I’m not at all comfortable with. At any rate, here is her response to my question of why she was so surprised that I have a relationship with God:

“The main reason that I am surprised is because I knew Catholicism to be a religion where people did not have their own relationship with God. Even my mom [she used to be Catholic, but is now Baptist] says that she always went to the priest to confess her sins and stuff so I just kind of assumed that you came from the same thing… I guess I never considered Christian and Catholic to be the same thing because my mom’s family is all Catholic and they believe pretty differently than my family does.”

How can I explain the entire concept of Catholicism to her, especially about how of course we have relationships with God, Confession, and maybe the Eucharist, too? I’m 16, not in the greatest place to defend my faith, and don’t want to mess this up! Thanks for the help!

~Lefty22

P.S. She wants to talk about this on the phone tomorrow, so the sooner, the better. Otherwise I will try to limit us to emails so I can think my responses through a little better.
… my dear friend …

… what does she really think a relationship with god is ??? , .most protestants do not have a great relationship with god because they know next to nothing about prayer in all its facets and forms from vocal , mental , contemplative , mysticism , doing gods will , and in the end how to pray without ceasing as st paul tells us , everything is prayer when it is gods will , prayer is communication with god , prayer is love , protestants have a very basic simple understanding of prayer that pales into virtual insignificance when compared to the spiritual treasures we have in our catholic patrimony teaching us about prayer , the spiritual lfe or asceticism and how to develop , foster and grow in our relationship with god , apart from that where does she think the catholic church came from ??? its the one established by christ himself 2,000 yrs ago , not by reformers gone mad who left the church in the 16th century , having said that although protestants by and large don’t have all or many sacraments if they are in grace they are catholic whether they know it or not , everyone — which can be anyone — in grace is " catholic " , the church is truly universal , there are massive benefits for non - catholics realising this and formalisng the apparently unkown reality they are " catholic " and if there was no or never any catholic church there would be no christianity - hence , no protestants , if you want the fullest possible relationship with god you need more than a bible and preacher , not knocking these at all – but you need the fullness of the christian faith , which is the authentic christian faith - since the beginning - catholicism , catholic church = universal assembling of gods family , if others want to criticise catholics relationship with god they want to take a good look in the mirror and see if they see christ , and understand that deformed image looking back at fallen man is meant to be perfected in love , made unto the image and likeness of god who = infinite love , gods greatest gifts to humanity are first : the sacraments , then the commandments , the bible is vital too - but we need to note it is just an infinitesimal part of the word of god , that word is alive in the catholic church and speaks through her – primarily through the successor of st peter - th first catholic bishop of rome - a fact , there is no religion , faith or belief in the world that comes even close to catholicism for its effectiveness in helping man in his relationship with god , none know more about prayer and the spiritual life than catholics , everything baptists and all non - catholic christians have — and i mean the lot - they owe to their catholic ancestors , heritage as catholics and of course the catholic church , so if one wants to say catholics don’t have a relationship with god , then one has a pretty poor relationship with god thereselves and it is a very ignorant thing to say , non - catholics should come to the catholic church to learn all there is to know about prayer and build up and foster the greatest possible relationship with god - which is not possible without all the sacramental love god shows us in the holy sacraments he gifted to his church for our sanctification and salvation , tell her to take the time to learn about catholicism before she makes such rash judgments , and instead of judging the catholc church by some family of catholcs she feels not very godly — look at the countless catholic souls that have graced the world so much like mother teresa , the first christians in rome unde the peresecutions gave their lives in perhaps millions for this holy catholic faith — tell her to read the stories , early fathers of the church , history and learn a little about catholicism before she ridicules it in such ignorance …

… god bless you 👍🙂 …

… john …
 
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