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I don’t know the difference between corporeal and Sacramental - could you explain?

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When you said in your OP that you couldn’t believe the Eucharist was “meat” “because that’s what a body is,” you were thinking of a “corporeal presence.”

The substance of the Body and Blood is present, but the Body is not present under its natural dimensions and properties, and whatever is done to the Host does not hurt Jesus’ glorified Body in any way. Catholic kids used to be taught not to chew the Host, and Catholics regard desecration of the Host as horrifying, but that’s out of reverence and not because chewing the Host will somehow hurt Jesus.

My own approach is to say that the Eucharist breaks down the barriers of reality as we know it, so of course there is no way to talk about it that isn’t clumsy.

Edwin
 
Dear brother Markie,
I don’t know the difference between corporeal and Sacramental - could you explain?

Thank you!
The first and most important thing to understand is that we are talking about Christ’s GLORIFIED body. If we look at Scripture, we can see that it walked through walls, was able to appear in numerous places at the same time, defied the law of gravity. etc. – basically his glorfied body defies ALL the laws of physics.

Knowing that objective - and biblical - fact, do you think it is hard to believe that Jesus can be really and physically present to us in a form that our physical senses do not naturally perceive?

The second thing to understand is that the English word “Sacrament” is a translation of a Latin word that means “mystery.” To be physically present in a Sacramental manner literally means to be physically present in a mysterious manner.

Does that help?

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Thank you Marduke! That is the best understanding, logic, and description I have ever heard on this.

Best ever - thank you!
 
Roman Catholic theology says the Mass is being offered for the redemption of the world…the redemption of the world. And as I said last time, the key to the whole thing is this transubstantiation…transforming the substance from bread and wine to the actual Christ. The holy Mass is the sacrifice of the body and blood of Jesus Christ really present on the altar under the appearance of bread and wine and offered to God for the living and the dead for the sins of the living and the sins of the dead that needed to get themselves out of Purgatory where they’re being purged from their sins. Elaguare, again who wrote The Glories of Mary says this, “We are struck with wonder when we find that in obedience to the words of his priest, Hocus Corpus Meum,this is My body, God Himself descends on the altar.” Listen to what he says, “God comes whenever the priest calls him and as often as they call Him and places Himself in their hands even they…even though they should be His enemies.” Some kind of power the priests have to call down God from heaven and it says, Elaguare, “After having come, God remains entirely at their disposal and they move Him as they please from one place to another. They may, if they wish, shut Him up in the tabernacle,” that is in the little box where they keep the Host, “Or expose Him on the altar, or carry Him outside the Church. They may if they choose eat His flesh and give Him for the food of others besides the power of the priest surpasses that of the Blessed Virgin because she cannot absolve a Catholic from even the smallest sin.” That, by the way, is in a volume called, “The Dignity and Duties of the Priest.” This is their priestly power, to pull God down and infuse Him into the Mass and then move Him wherever they want. The priest then is supposed to be endowed with power by the Bishop at his ordination. The ordination of a priest is a very important event because he is given the power at his ordination to change the bread and the wine into the literal living body and blood of Christ. He literally is given the power to call God out of heaven and bring Him into those elements. In fact, they say the body of Christ is present down to the last eyelash and toenail. And when asked how is it possible for THE body of Christ which is one body to be everywhere in the world where Mass is being said at the same time, and the answer is, “It’s a miracle.” After the adoration of the consecrated Host, the uplifted hands of the priest pretend to offer God the very body and blood of Christ as a sacrifice for the living and the dead. And then in observance of the Eucharist, the priest eats Christ alive in the presence of the people. And then gives Him to the people under the appearance of bread. It is a horrific and pagan event that goes on constantly. The congregation of the Blessed Sacrament is an organization devoted to carry out before the Blessed Sacrament a perpetual mission of prayer and supplication. **There are people in that organization and a number of other organizations who spend all of their time praying to the box that contains the Host. Roman Catholics all over the world do this.Roman Catholic Churches they have people sign up to come at all hours of the day to pray to the box.**So, priests replaced preachers, an altar replaces the pulpit, doctrine is replaced by ritual ceremony. The Roman Catholic Church is still a sacral society. The priest conveys Christ in an act, not by the preaching of the gospel. The Lord’s table becomes an altar where people can eat the actual flesh and drink the actual blood of a sacrificial victim that is being offered by a false priest to God as if Jesus needed to be sacrificed all over again. I HOPE THIS SHEDS SOME INSIGHT.
Where on earth did you get this stuff? What obnoxious website do you visit? How disgusting.

You are a guest in another’s house and I would hope that in real life you are more respectful.
 
Thank you Marduke! That is the best understanding, logic, and description I have ever heard on this.

Best ever - thank you!
You are most welcome.

When I was a teenager, I got tested, and it was revealed that whereas most people naturally use EITHER the left side of their brain, OR the right side (and one can, with effort train oneself to use both sides of the brain), my brain naturally utilizes both sides equally.

So I tend to make connections and see things rather differently from most people. A lot of times, my seemingly novel ideas get a lot flack. Fortunately, this time, it helped.😃

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Un-related, where would someone look to learn to use both sides of their brain?

Some days I don’t think I even have one side working!😛
 
Dear brother Markie,

The first and most important thing to understand is that we are talking about Christ’s GLORIFIED body. If we look at Scripture, we can see that it walked through walls, was able to appear in numerous places at the same time, defied the law of gravity. etc. – basically his glorfied body defies ALL the laws of physics.

Knowing that objective - and biblical - fact, do you think it is hard to believe that Jesus can be really and physically present to us in a form that our physical senses do not naturally perceive?

The second thing to understand is that the English word “Sacrament” is a translation of a Latin word that means “mystery.” To be physically present in a Sacramental manner literally means to be physically present in a mysterious manner.

Does that help?

Blessings,
Marduk
I disagree with you on some things at times, my brother, but there are times when you describe things with such clarity my brain explodes with an AMEN!

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