Help us, Pope Benedict 16th! We are a sick church!

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pnewton:
The same document, from 2003, listed the percentage increases everywhere but Europe which had a a stable number of Catholics.
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That “stable Europe” was even described by JPII as “the silent apostasy”. Europe is a mess…maybe stable, yes…but a mess.

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Mom_of_5 said:
Sir, you are totally disgusting, not amusing. For the most part, I admire young people who are striving in their faith and trying to learn about their Catholic faith, as it WAS and Now…However, for someone who has barely begun to live, telling someone with a nearly 70 year history of being Catholic she is wrong, in a way that is very disrespectful cannot be pleasing to God. You tend to argue nonsense in most of your posts…grow up, young person, grow up!!!

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There’s no fool like an old fool.

Not only is Semper Fidelis young, but he’s not even Catholic yet and he seems to know more than you do.

He is also a US Marine, so I doubt that he has barely begun to live.

You sound like one of the many “Catholics” who are in love with a faith of their own making.
 
Mom_of_5 said:
I love my faith and my Roman Catholic heritage. However, I pray, dear God, that you do not allow your church to go back to the days of closed doors, secret “stuff”, ignorant priests and nuns (YES) and parishioners following blindly, attending Mass they considered beautiful but did not understand. Lead us away from the days when we were discouraged to read the Bible, (we couldn’t understand it anyway unless a priest was standing over us to explain the scriptures, so we were told.) Lead us away from the days we were in fear of God rather than in “love” with our creator. We were a much sicker church before the NO. Maybe no one noticed that most of the sexual abuse in our churches, etc. happened years ago. Many of those priests are dead! How lovely that they said the Mass in Latin with their backs to the folks in the pews!!! Maybe if they faced us during Mass, their conduct would have been above reproach!! (Just a thought) Not all was bad by any means, but, dear God, thank you for the changes made, guided by the Holy Spirit.

Love and Peace
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You are lost in your own ways as is much that have removed themselves from the Catholic Church. You are judgemental towards the priests to whom you knew nothing of and jump to trusting anyone who would approach the bench and say, “I was sexually abused” even when the person holding blame may nto truly be a victim, but suspect. bent on greed…and to tell you another thing, those people who did commit acts of sexual abuse are not priests and were not priests, but simply acted as priests inorder to get their way…much like anyother abuser that has joined a job inorder to get closer to their victim. There is no difference. And truly now, those days of past were the more correct attitude towards God, with respect and fear, though not wallowing fear that we need be scared but a different fear. As to show respect.

With change comes the uncertainty of opinions, reasoning towards the Dutch and others who think the Church need to change and do so with their own greedy authority.
 
PNEWTON: I don’t know where these alleged statistics come from [after all anyone with an agenda can make up statistics], but my eyes are not lying. I grew up in a mostly Catholic area in the 1960 s , almost everyone of us went to Mass every Sunday, [and NOT in sneakers and shorts as is the norm nowadays], now very very few people in the same “Catholic area” go to mass at all, except perhaps Christmas and Easter. Catholic schools and churches are closing everywhere. When I know someone who has a sick child or some other calamity and inquire about their Church attendance there standard answer is " I don’t go because it seems useless, women on the altar, Communion in hand , gibberish liberal pablum from the pulpit etc" . People dressed like bums, who wouldn’t dream of going to a wedding in such attire have no compunction about showing up for Mass like that. If there are so many priests nowadays, then why do people who aren’t Priests hand out Communion? Why doesn’t anyone kneel anymore. You should read The Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda,written in the 1600’s so there is no “bias” and see what reverence is expected at Communion and in the Mass. It was written in the 1600’s I believe. It is a fact that the homosexuals are indeed massively in the Seminaries and the hiding of pedophiles is a cold fact. No doubt they wouldn’t have made it years ago. You can deny it but the billions of dollars paying people out of your pocket is not fiction. They would fight if they were innocent. As they should because it is very very hurtful for the “Catholic Church”, and should be defended if they are innocent. God Bless You and yours…Dominus Vobiscum…
 
Greg72 said:
There’s no fool like an old fool.

Not only is Semper Fidelis young, but he’s not even Catholic yet and he seems to know more than you do.

He is also a US Marine, so I doubt that he has barely begun to live.

You sound like one of the many “Catholics” who are in love with a faith of their own making.
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You know, I hate to say this, but I’m kinda waiting for the baby boomers to kick the bucket so all this “Spirit of Vatican II” crud can be buried with them.

Believe me, when I’m a senior (God willing if I live that long), the Mass will be reverent and sacred again. People of my generation either don’t give a hoot and don’t go, or they take tradition seriously and want to see a glorious, sacred and powerful Church once again. It’s these Baby Boomers who took their 1960s hippie garbage into the Church with them.

I mean, look at the architectural styles that these “diverse and enlightened” parishes are being built in. If I see another Purist-inspired Church I’m going to scream.
 
Please do not lump all of us “baby boomers” together. Some of us have less tolerance of the “hippie garbage” than you because we’ve been putting up with it for far longer - as in 1969.
 
jay29 said:
Holy Father, I pray that you stay on course with your restoration of the Catholic Church to where it should be and do away with the added nonsense that has infiltrated the Ordinary Form of the Mass. I pray the Holy Spirit will guide and protect you from the inherent rebellious spirits that you might encounter along the way. AMEN…

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:banghead: :crying: WHHHYYYYyyyyyyy?!?!?!

Praying with you for the liturgy to be restored.

God bless
 
jay29 said:
Holy Father, I pray that you stay on course with your restoration of the Catholic Church to where it should be and do away with the added nonsense that has infiltrated the Ordinary Form of the Mass. I pray the Holy Spirit will guide and protect you from the inherent rebellious spirits that you might encounter along the way. AMEN…

cathcon.blogspot.com/2008/01/benedictine-christmas-2007.html

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Jay, you owe me a new keyboard. I just threw up on mine.
 
mschrank said:
You know, I hate to say this, but I’m kinda waiting for the baby boomers to kick the bucket so all this “Spirit of Vatican II” crud can be buried with them.

Believe me, when I’m a senior (God willing if I live that long), the Mass will be reverent and sacred again. People of my generation either don’t give a hoot and don’t go, or they take tradition seriously and want to see a glorious, sacred and powerful Church once again. It’s these Baby Boomers who took their 1960s hippie garbage into the Church with them.

I mean, look at the architectural styles that these “diverse and enlightened” parishes are being built in. If I see another Purist-inspired Church I’m going to scream.
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ditto to what brotherhrolf said! I’m 53 next month, and I hated the changes too. In fact, I hated the entire 60s ‘scene’. Lumping all of the boomers together into one huge hippie group is unfair. Most of us didn’t ‘wear flowers in our hair’, protest the establishment, burn draft cards and attend Woodstock with the rest of the losers. I admit I was a bit young for that stuff - but I have to add that I wouldn’t have done any of it anyway! I don’t know what happened to “mom of 5” to make her so bitter. She has my prayers; I only know that, many generations before me loved the Church and it thrived - with no shortage of priests and many many saints.
 
sneakers said:
ditto to what brotherhrolf said! I’m 53 next month, and I hated the changes too. In fact, I hated the entire 60s ‘scene’. Lumping all of the boomers together into one huge hippie group is unfair. Most of us didn’t ‘wear flowers in our hair’, protest the establishment, burn draft cards and attend Woodstock with the rest of the losers. I admit I was a bit young for that stuff - but I have to add that I wouldn’t have done any of it anyway! I don’t know what happened to “mom of 5” to make her so bitter. She has my prayers; I only know that, many generations before me loved the Church and it thrived - with no shortage of priests and many many saints.
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Don’t you people realize that most of the sexual scandal (I could find the statistics, but I don’t have time now) came from priests that were ordained way before VII?

Since it was never clarified (to my knowlege) exactly what that “smoke of satan” comment meant, it is my opinion that the Pope was speaking of “traditionalists” that were deliberately trying to block the Council and the work of the Holy Spirit.

We are not a sick church. We are a Church for sick people.
 
Indyann said:
Don’t you people realize that most of the sexual scandal (I could find the statistics, but I don’t have time now) came from priests that were ordained way before VII?

Since it was never clarified (to my knowlege) exactly what that “smoke of satan” comment meant, it is my opinion that the Pope was speaking of “traditionalists” that were deliberately trying to block the Council and the work of the Holy Spirit.

We are not a sick church. We are a Church for sick people.
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In light of the last 40 yrs—your “opinion” is off the mark.
 
Walking_Home said:
In light of the last 40 yrs—your “opinion” is off the mark.
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I am with Indy Ann on this one. I think the handful of traditionalists are the most pessimistic people I have ever seen. I guess I am just blessed to live where the Catholic Church is vibrant and booming, but I know that I am not the only one. The same changes that everyone here laments is converting Africa for Christ. Our country and the world had real tough times to endure in the sixties and seventies. We can’t always weep and wail when troubles come. Where is the faith?
 
Indyann said:
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In light of the last 40 yrs—your “opinion” is off the mark.

That is your “opinion” and you are entitled to it, just as I am.
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Yes — we are both entitled to our own opinion — yet the last 40 yrs still reflect – yours is off the mark.
 
pnewton said:
I am with Indy Ann on this one. I think the handful of traditionalists are the most pessimistic people I have ever seen. I guess I am just blessed to live where the Catholic Church is vibrant and booming, but I know that I am not the only one. The same changes that everyone here laments is converting Africa for Christ. Our country and the world had real tough times to endure in the sixties and seventies. We can’t always weep and wail when troubles come. Where is the faith?
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Pessimistic – No. We just don’t turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the problems that we have had and continue to have.
 
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