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I’ve made multiple threads on this and you guys have really helped me.

I’ve been starting to drift away from God lately and it’s the fact of evolution. I really don’t get it.
If we evolved from one species how is it possible when God said he made humans. And since we are considered animals why arent the pigs or horses have sins and what not too since we evolved from them?
 
I’ve made multiple threads on this and you guys have really helped me.

I’ve been starting to drift away from God lately and it’s the fact of evolution. I really don’t get it.
If we evolved from one species how is it possible when God said he made humans. And since we are considered animals why arent the pigs or horses have sins and what not too since we evolved from them?
Well, the answer certainly isn’t easy. I, for one, do not subject divine revelation to human scientific speculation. It may appear at times that the evidence for human macroevolution can be overwhelming. That is only because, however, it’s the only socially acceptable model in the media and the scientific community. It requires research for sure and that’s something you have to do on your own.

Evolution and Christianity are incompatible.
 
Hi there! 🙂 In my opinion, I wouldn’t completely dismiss the concept of evolution. I mean, think about it: we’re all made of cells. Do you think cells would just naturally and cognitively pursue forming atoms, molecules, tissues, organs… and eventually an organism? Or take the Big Bang Theory for another example 🙂 Was it really just a cosmic accident that the universe expanded and formed?

I like to find God in whatever comes my way 🙂 Just my opinion. I pray you continue on your journey of faith! 👍
 
Macroevolution is just microevolution over a longer period of time.

It’s like the difference between watching someone running around a track the whole time, and watching them for a bit, then looking away for a time, and looking back at the track and they are on the other side of the track.

Also, even though I take to the Guided Evolution idea, evolution in terms of many of the things we have, including us, is still classified as a theory, “The Theory of Evolution”.

And there are parallels in the Guided Evolution idea and the (first) Genesis story (There are two creation stories in Genesis).

And the simplest explanation as to why other animals can’t sin is because they were not given the same kind of soul that we humans have. Souls are not hereditary. They are not given to us by our parents like our bodies, they are directly created by God. Holding to the Guided Evolution idea, God would have had to at some time (of what we experience as time) decided to bestow what we would call a Human Soul that has free will and is rational.
 
I’ve made multiple threads on this and you guys have really helped me.

I’ve been starting to drift away from God lately and it’s the fact of evolution. I really don’t get it.
If we evolved from one species how is it possible when God said he made humans. And since we are considered animals why arent the pigs or horses have sins and what not too since we evolved from them?
Evolution is not a fact. I suggest you rent the movie “Expelled” by Ben stein.
It can not be a fact that everything evolved from 1 species since it can not be observed.
But lets say it did happen that way. Now look in the bible at the first creation story. Notice on the fifth day God created the sea creatures, on the 6th day he created the land creature, and on the 6th day he created man. If we realize that the word “yom” which is what translates into “day” in genesis means a period of time not a 24 hr period. Then if Evolution is true it was in the bible first.

However, since there are no transitional creatures in the fossil record. Macro-evolution is highly doubtful.
 
I’ve made multiple threads on this and you guys have really helped me.

I’ve been starting to drift away from God lately and it’s the fact of evolution. I really don’t get it.
If we evolved from one species how is it possible when God said he made humans. And since we are considered animals why arent the pigs or horses have sins and what not too since we evolved from them?
First, in answer to your statement that evolution is a “fact,” I refer you this post:
Evolution is not a fact. I suggest you rent the movie “Expelled” by Ben stein.
It can not be a fact that everything evolved from 1 species since it can not be observed.
But lets say it did happen that way. Now look in the bible at the first creation story. Notice on the fifth day God created the sea creatures, on the 6th day he created the land creature, and on the 6th day he created man. If we realize that the word “yom” which is what translates into “day” in genesis means a period of time not a 24 hr period. Then if Evolution is true it was in the bible first.

However, since there are no transitional creatures in the fossil record. Macro-evolution is highly doubtful.
No doctrine has been named by the Church for or against evolution. Consequently, Catholics are free to believe it is true or not, by their own choice.

It is possible to reconcile the theory with God, if you consider it true, and easy to understand creation if it is false.

If it is true, then, essentially, God “guided” evolution to produce a human (as bzkoss236 said) and then infused an immortal soul in it when it was advanced sufficiently.

If false, well, then, you can fill in the rest. 🙂
 
First, in answer to your statement that evolution is a “fact,” I refer you this post:

No doctrine has been named by the Church for or against evolution. Consequently, Catholics are free to believe it is true or not, by their own choice.

It is possible to reconcile the theory with God, if you consider it true, and easy to understand creation if it is false.

If it is true, then, essentially, God “guided” evolution to produce a human (as bzkoss236 said) and then infused an immortal soul in it when it was advanced sufficiently.

If false, well, then, you can fill in the rest. 🙂
Ultimately, death is the death of God guiding or using evolutionary processes in order to create man. From a revelatory perspective anyway.
 
Let me take off my Lutheran hat and say a few random idea:

That the Bible says that God made us in his image, this could be referring to his intellect and his soul. God may not have an upright monkey body with no fur.

God has structured the world so that we come to love him with faith, not love him because of immediate and easily verifiable proofs - that the world seems to neither prover nor dis-prove His existence is part of his gift of free-will to us.

God created the world in six creative acts that each took six days, in His time. But the effects of those six acts could take much longer in our time - that the animas were created first before us fits with evolutionary evidence. It’s rather interesting from a historical viewpoint, because if Genesis was just a made-up story, you would probably have man being created first so as to witness God’s creation.

Now let me put my Lutheran hat back on…

In the Lutheran tradition, we have come to understand that faith and reason are compatible, but that reason can sometimes lead one away from faith. Luther famously said some rather naughty things about unbridled reason.

So if there’s any advice I could give is to not let your intellects narrow your heart - for faith comes from there. If your reasoning ability makes your heart grow bigger, then you’re doing well.
 
I’ve made multiple threads on this and you guys have really helped me.

I’ve been starting to drift away from God lately and it’s the fact of evolution. I really don’t get it.
If we evolved from one species how is it possible when God said he made humans. And since we are considered animals why arent the pigs or horses have sins and what not too since we evolved from them?
Man have not evolved from any Animal. The Sin of Adam has not only affected Man. It has affected animals as-well. Monkeys and other animals have Homosexual sex, SSA. So Animals do wrong and Sin.🤷
 
Well when GOD made humans, he made humans from one human. Then, when you say that we are animals, animals is a very broad word. We are homosapiens. Just please pray and stay strong. GOD Bless You
 
Man have not evolved from any Animal. The Sin of Adam has not only affected Man. It has affected animals as-well. Monkeys and other animals have Homosexual sex, SSA. So Animals do wrong and Sin.🤷
I’d like to correct you that animals do not sin because animals other than homosapiens do not have the intelligence to follow Christ or know nothing about sin. They strictly work off of instinct.
 
I’d like to correct you that animals do not sin because animals other than homosapiens do not have the intelligence to follow Christ or know nothing about sin. They strictly work off of instinct.
Correct.
 
I’ve made multiple threads on this and you guys have really helped me.

I’ve been starting to drift away from God lately and it’s the fact of evolution. I really don’t get it.
If we evolved from one species how is it possible when God said he made humans. And since we are considered animals why arent the pigs or horses have sins and what not too since we evolved from them?
I suggest you read this book: The Catholic Church and Science by Dr. Benjamin Wiker

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Like others here have said evolution shouldn’t lead you away from God.
What you should really see are the odds of life arising from chance and chemicals alone without a guiding hand are virtually zero.
There are 10 to the 80th power atoms in the universe and this number pales in comparison to life arising out of chance .

And no Macroevolution isn’t many tiny microevolution all steps happening .

theosophical.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/the-origin-of-life-is-not-a-lottery/

earthage.org/intro/odds_of_evolution_by_chance.htm

The Odds of Evolution Occurring by Chance

The “odds” of evolution occurring by chance are so infinitely small that it is a miracle in itself that such things are still taught as if they were a “fact” of science.

The following excerpts are from: “A Closer Look at the Evidence” by Richard and Tina Kleiss. They illustrate why evolution is (for all practical purposes) a Dying, if not Dead, theory.

"At one time living cells were considered no more complex than empty ping pong balls. As biochemists have learned more about the complexity of life, it has become increasingly apparent that thousands of specific and complex chemicals are required for any form of life to survive.

Evolutionist Harold Morowitz estimated the probability for chance formation of even the simplest form of living organism at 1/10340,000,000. By comparison only 1020 grains of sand could fit within a cubic mile and 10 billion times more (1030) would fit inside the entire earth. So, the probability of forming a simple cell by chance processes is infinitely less likely than having a blind person select one specifically marked grain of sand out of an entire earth filled with sand.

There is nowhere near enough time nor matter in the entire universe for even the simplest cell to have formed by chance combinations. Even if all the correct chemicals somehow came together in the correct place, you still wouldn’t have life. This is exactly the situation every time a living organism dies. Immediately after death, all the right chemicals exist, in the right proportions, and in the right place – yet the creature is still dead!

Five billion years is nowhere near long enough for evolution to have taken place. In reality, all of eternity would not provide enough time for random processes to form the enormous complexity of life."

“Page” July 17th

"The simplest conceivable form of life (eg. bacteria) contains at least 600 different protein molecules. Each of these molecules performs specific functions by fitting into other molecules shaped in exact three-dimensional spatial arrangements. These proteins work like a key fitting into a lock – only a specifically shaped protein will fit. Yet there are multiple trillions of possible combinations of protein molecules and shapes. How could the exactly required shape find the exactly correct corresponding protein in order to perform the required cellular function?

“The mathematical probability that the precisely designed molecules needed for the ‘simplest’ bacteria could form by chance arrangement of amino acids (these are the chemicals that link up to form proteins) is far less than 1 in 10450. Most scientists acknowledge that any possibility less than one in 1050 is considered an impossibility. One wonders why this ‘impossibility’ is being taught as a ‘fact of science’ to millions of school children each year.”
 
Evolution and Christianity are incompatible.
How Barthian of you. But this is only true within a *fundamentally *constructed epistemology within Sacred Scriptures. That is to say, assumed the premises of authority to interpret scripture inherent in Luther’s conception of the priesthood of the regenerate coupled with a very fundamental Westminsterian scope.

Alas, the Catholic Church does not believe such a facet is integrated into the universal post-levitical priesthood of the regenerate in such a way (rather it includes, among other things, a participation in the Word at holy Mass in both the liturgy of the word, and the liturgy of the Eucharist [which is a substantial consumption of and participation in the Word]), and so evolution and Catholic Christianity are compatible, though the former is definitely inferior to the latter on account that Faith is of a higher order than natural knowledge.

This certainly stems, eventually, from Luther’s disapproval of Aristotelian metaphysics being adopted into sacred theology. Much ink has been spilled over this… But I have said quite a lot.
 
How Barthian of you. But this is only true within a *fundamentally *constructed epistemology within Sacred Scriptures. That is to say, assumed the premises of authority to interpret scripture inherent in Luther’s conception of the priesthood of the regenerate coupled with a very fundamental Westminsterian scope.

Alas, the Catholic Church does not believe such a facet is integrated into the universal post-levitical priesthood of the regenerate in such a way (rather it includes, among other things, a participation in the Word at holy Mass in both the liturgy of the word, and the liturgy of the Eucharist [which is a substantial consumption of and participation in the Word]), and so evolution and Catholic Christianity are compatible, though the former is definitely inferior to the latter on account that Faith is of a higher order than natural knowledge.

This certainly stems, eventually, from Luther’s disapproval of Aristotelian metaphysics being adopted into sacred theology. Much ink has been spilled over this… But I have said quite a lot.
Right…Barthian. So explain again how death, an unnatural evil which is man’s greatest enemy which entered the world through sin and the thing for which Christ was sent to suffer for the world and conquer as the last Adam turns out to be a natural process built into creation as “very good” which the holy and all loving Trinity uses for causing life by evolution?
 
I’ve made multiple threads on this and you guys have really helped me.

I’ve been starting to drift away from God lately and it’s the fact of evolution. I really don’t get it.
If we evolved from one species how is it possible when God said he made humans. And since we are considered animals why arent the pigs or horses have sins and what not too since we evolved from them?
I think the Catholic Church rejects common ancestry (correct me if I’m wrong). However, I fail to see the problem. At some point along evolution, we would have the genetic makeup of what we now call humans. However, we didn’t become human beings with value until God infused a soul into our human ancestors. Simply put, God gives a soul to the beings He designed to be His. We have been given dominion over all other animals to fit our needs. Perhaps you my wonder why God wanted humans instead of horses to be His chosen people, but I’m not sure why that would inhibit theological belief.
 
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