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Is your objection to the author, the lyrics themselves, any alteration of the lyrics from the psalm 91, the sound of the music itself, or what?

If your objection is to the author, you are objecting to a number of other songs or even just music settings or tones that are frequently sung in parishes across our country. Mr. Joncas is everywhere, as they say.

I think we sung his Cantate Domino in our choir one year.
 
I often start to cry whenever I hear this song, as it seems that I mostly hear it at funerals these days, and it always brings back sad memories.
 
It is also one of my favorites, along with *Here I am Lord * and Be Not Afraid. Any of those on the right day can bring some “dew” to my eyes.

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Catholic Heart:
This song is Psalm 91 put to music…Now what could be wrong with that? And yes, as others have said MJ is very much a Catholic. Lots of people who are definitely NOT dissenting Catholics like this song…Good Grief…
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Concur. Jimmy Stewart read Psalm 91 before everyone of his combat mission over Europe because of of the flying references. This still holds true as it is routinely played at funerals of Naval Aviators and Air Force pilots in this day and age (HARDLY a liberal group).
 
I did a bit of research and found this:

On Eagle’s Wings

From this site:

http://www.standrewsaa.org/tempfiles/hymnnotes/octobernotes.htm

”Another hymn of comfort and hope, this hymn derives from the charismatic movement in the Catholic Church in the mid-1970s. It has several arrangements, two of which are given in WLP itself. The words are given in both Spanish and English.

The words of the verses are a paraphrase of Psalm 91:1-13. Notice that the chorus changes the point of view: instead of describing God’s action in the third person, the chorus puts God’s words in the first person, as spoken by God directly to us. These promises are not direct quotations of Scripture, but refer to scriptural images: the mother eagle from Exodus 19:4 (“You have seen … how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself”) and less directly from Isaiah 40:31; God’s people shining like the sun (“then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father,” Matt 13:43); God’s protection and bearing from various places in Scripture.”
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Misericordie: Try these links:

board.uscho.com/archive/index.php/t-43706.html

catholicshopper.com/products/michael_joncas.html

Though I’m not sure what any of this will prove. I mean, “A Mighty Fortress is Our God” is now in Catholic hymnals and Martin Luther wrote that!
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Exactly my point. What are NON-Catholic “hymns” doing in a “catholic” missalette?
 
The authenticity of Jimmy Stewart reading Psalm 91 to a group of World War II aviators is light years away from tady’s church music, which we experience as: a too-high soprano cantor singing during a MASS accompanied by a PIANO!

Notice the tendency in this thread to refer to these selections as “songs” instead of what we should be singing: HYMNS.
 
misericordie,

I have heard Eagle’s Wings so often that I am kind of tired of it. But Michael Joncas has written some other songs that are really nice. My favorite is called I Have Loved You With An Everlasting Love, which is from Jeramiah 31 (I think). I also think he wrote As the Deer, which is pretty too.

I don’t think there is anything forbidding his songs in Mass. But I do know how it is to hear a song that one dislikes in Mass. I probably wouldn’t be bothered by some songs if I didn’t have a musical background. But when I hear one that I don’t like, it’s almost painful.
 
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AuntMartha:
misericordie,

I have heard Eagle’s Wings so often that I am kind of tired of it. But Michael Joncas has written some other songs that are really nice. My favorite is called I Have Loved You With An Everlasting Love, which is from Jeramiah 31 (I think). I also think he wrote As the Deer, which is pretty too.

I don’t think there is anything forbidding his songs in Mass. But I do know how it is to hear a song that one dislikes in Mass. I probably wouldn’t be bothered by some songs if I didn’t have a musical background. But when I hear one that I don’t like, it’s almost painful.
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When I hear one I like that is messed up by the loud droan of an Organist playing too loud to follow the words it’s painful!!! :eek:
 
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misericordie:
Exactly my point. What are NON-Catholic “hymns” doing in a “catholic” missalette?
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From what I’ve observed, the majority of the songs/hymns in English that are sung in the Catholic liturgy today are either of Protestant origin (the ones that sound traditional) or from the post-Vatican II era (more folk like or “contemporary” sounding); the traditional Catholic music was mostly in Latin plus a few Marian songs (Flowers of the Rarest being an example) that were in the vernacular. There is probably a place for all of these, but I hope the direction will be to include more of the traditional Catholic Latin hymns because they are a part of Catholic culture largely lost in many parishes. There are pretty, orthodox contemporary songs as well as heretical ones, but the class Latin hymns stood the test of time until they were rooted out in the late 60’s and 70’s. A good book on this topic is Why Catholics Can’t Sing…a critique of how the music at Mass today came to be.
 
I’m very sorry, esp. to you, Annunciata. I should have simply said that I don’t care for Father Joncas’ contributions to liturgical music. I hate it when people hand down their personal opinion like it’s a declaration from the Chair of Peter and so, I shouldn’t talk like that myself. So please forgive me if I trod on a beloved hymn that means something to some of you.

It’s odd, I love the Mass of Paul VI and don’t ever want to loose it, but I cannot say the same for most of the post-conciliar music that we sing today. That is, however, a personal opinion.
 
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Olympia:
The authenticity of Jimmy Stewart reading Psalm 91 to a group of World War II aviators is light years away from tady’s church music, which we experience as: a too-high soprano cantor singing during a MASS accompanied by a PIANO!

Notice the tendency in this thread to refer to these selections as “songs” instead of what we should be singing: HYMNS.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with you and generally prefer the traditional “hymns”. My point is that getting worked-up over the origin of the song/hymn because it or the writer may be “liberal” is trivial and short-sighted.
 
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Olympia:
Notice the tendency in this thread to refer to these selections as “songs” instead of what we should be singing: HYMNS.
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I agree with you there, Olympia! I announce the hymns at Mass at my church and I absolutely refuse to call them “Gathering Songs”, “Sending Songs”, etc. Ridiculous!! They are HYMNS!!:mad:
 
Thank you all. Please, any more comments about the bird’s I MEAN THE EAGLE’S wings?
 
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4HisChurch:
I agree with you there, Olympia! I announce the hymns at Mass at my church and I absolutely refuse to call them “Gathering Songs”, “Sending Songs”, etc. Ridiculous!! They are HYMNS!!:mad:
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YUP!!!
 
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JKirkLVNV:
I’m very sorry, esp. to you, Annunciata. I should have simply said that I don’t care for Father Joncas’ contributions to liturgical music. I hate it when people hand down their personal opinion like it’s a declaration from the Chair of Peter and so, I shouldn’t talk like that myself. So please forgive me if I trod on a beloved hymn that means something to some of you.
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Thank you…no need to apologize I knew you didn’t mean it the way it may have sounded to some…You’re a real gentleman for taking the time to explain. God bless you 👍
 
On Eagles’ Wings is one of the better contemporary songs, in my opinion. It isn’t overdone here, but there are plenty that are, so I sympathize with those who are sick of hearing it (Here I am Lord is WAY overdone here). I don’t care for contemporary music, they’re also next to impossible to play, and most catholics who can sing at all don’t know how to sing that style of music well. If people want it, they should buy a recording of it- that would probably sound better than it does at Mass anyway. Now if they would just lay the Mass of Creation setting- and lay that and everything else by Marty Haugen to rest…

Someone should write a Requiem for the music of Marty Haugen and the other OCP music- the choir can sing the Alleluia chorus from Handel’s Messiah- or if a less dramatic ending is preserved, “Alle, Alle, Alleluia” (the one that sounds like a pre-school kids’ song shudder ) at the very end then cremate the OCP missalettes afterwards (those paper thin pages probably burn quite nicely!). I wonder if they’ll “rise again from ashes”.
 
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m134e5:
On Eagles’ Wings is one of the better contemporary songs, in my opinion. It isn’t overdone here, but there are plenty that are, so I sympathize with those who are sick of hearing it (Here I am Lord is WAY overdone here). I don’t care for contemporary music, they’re also next to impossible to play, and most catholics who can sing at all don’t know how to sing that style of music well. If people want it, they should buy a recording of it- that would probably sound better than it does at Mass anyway. Now if they would just lay the Mass of Creation setting- and lay that and everything else by Marty Haugen to rest…

Someone should write a Requiem for the music of Marty Haugen and the other OCP music- the choir can sing the Alleluia chorus from Handel’s Messiah- or if a less dramatic ending is preserved, “Alle, Alle, Alleluia” (the one that sounds like a pre-school kids’ song shudder ) at the very end then cremate the OCP missalettes afterwards (those paper thin pages probably burn quite nicely!). I wonder if they’ll “rise again from ashes”.
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Excellent!! I agree.
 
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