Heresy on hell, yes or no?

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It is a heresy to say people in hell can be freed. The Church definitively teaches that once a body dies the soul goes to heaven, hell, or purgatory. It is also true and defined that hell is eternal and lasts forever as does heaven last forever. I’m currently reading Preparation for Death by St.Alphonsus Ligouri, I would recommend that book.
 
yes I understand that, but that would en-tale God over riding their will to reject him?
I thought God did not take away our free will/even to be saved or not?
that makes me think many fall into Hell that have not rejected God, as it seems many die in a state of sin and will end up in purgatory, but hell is for those who reject Christ… yet Mary said it was because of the flesh they fell?
 
Well we known that it is a good and Holy thing to pray for the dead, before Christ came as it is written in Maccabees and i assume that refers to Purgatory being a place of refinement and atonement. so maybe this is the true meaning of descended to hell? i don’t know…
I wanted to know why my view is considered heresy when I feel scripture supports it?
Until i’m sure I will go along with church teachings as they normally are right in such matters, I’m just trying to understand myself.
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I feel scripture supports it?
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The reason you are wrong is because you are interpreting scripture yourself instead of listening to those empowered to teach, who have spent years being educated on the nuances and skills required to read and decipher the word of God.
 
Thank you. i understand that, but my thoughts are that we are not judged yet and a soul may well be saved as Mercy is greater than justice when it comes down to it. what if a soul repents or I pray and fast for that soul before judgement? will God have mercy or not?

Mother Mary told us that many fall into hell for sins of the flesh… that is not a rejection of God, it is weakness and maybe not knowing right from wrong, i mean millions die in mortal sin without knowledge of that sin, perhaps if they knew???There is more but this is what i don’t get.
 
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I wanted to know why my view is considered heresy when I feel scripture supports it?
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Catholics don’t go around interpreting scriptures themselves when it comes to doctrinal matters that the Church has pronounced upon.
That’s Protestant behavior.
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my thoughts are that we are not judged yet and a soul may well be saved as Mercy is greater than justice when it comes down to it.
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If a soul hasn’t been judged yet then the soul isn’t yet in Hell. The soul might yet be saved.
Once the soul actually is judged and goes to Hell, it’s game over.
 
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No, lustful sins are just as much a rejection of God as any others. People who don’t know right from wrong can’t actually mortally sin. Those who fall due to the flesh are very much aware that they are sinning.
 
oh I really disagree with that.
The Church has had to change it;s stance many times, just look at Limbo?
apparently it existed then it didn’t.
and the church has always had debate and included the laity, so that is a wrong statement to make.
 
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The Church has had to change it;s stance many times, just look at Limbo?
apparently it existed then it didn’t.
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Limbo was never an official teaching of the Church. The Church didn’t “change its stance” because it never took an official stance. All you had was a bunch of amateur theologians teaching various ideas about Limbo that didn’t all agree with each other.

The Church also has not rejected the idea of Limbo. If you want to believe in Limbo, you can choose to believe in it. If you don’t want to believe in Limbo, you can choose to not believe in it. The Church currently expresses hope that the souls of the innocent unbaptized (such as miscarried or aborted babies, or babies who are born but die before the age of reason without baptism) may somehow reach heaven through God’s mercy, but the Church takes no definite position on what happens to them.

The Church doesn’t go around “changing its stance” on doctrines and dogmas. You really need to understand better the actual teachings of the Church. I would suggest that you read the current official Catechism to learn what the Church actually teaches, and not be trying to figure it out yourself from interpreting Scripture on your own.
 
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Yes But i have a problem with a person telling me not to think and just believe what i’m told…
that is Ideology not Catholicism.
 
Sounds like you have a problem with the Church’s teaching authority then.
That’s not good. It’s a bit prideful to be honest. Like I said, that’s how Protestants got started. I think you need to think and pray about that some more.

And let’s face it, the Church has been teaching for hundreds of years and goes back to Christ. I think they’re a little bit more knowledgeable than someone, whether it’s you or Martin Luther, who picks up a Bible hundreds of years later and suddenly thinks they know more than the Church.
 
all of it i’m afraid.
Murder is mortal sin, you don’t have to believe in God to know it is wrong?
sex outside of marriage is not a reason to spend eternity in Hell and I’m sure if those who commit such acts knew that was the price then they would keep their virginity in tact.
but this is digressing from the point of the question
 
The price of sex outside of marriage not eternity in Hell. The price of having sex outside of marriage, while knowing that it is a grave sin, is severing your relationship with God. It is saying God, I know you didn’t create me for this, but I want it so leave me alone.

The problem is not that He wants to punish you for your affront, the problem is that He listens to you.

If you say that, and then maintain that to your dying breath, what do you think will happen? If you reject God, where is there left to go?
 
Whatever your thoughts on what @Tis_Bearself said, surely you see that claiming the spirit is kind of proving their point on your pridefulness.
 
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No I disagree again
God allows sin so we can repent, we glorify God when we fall and rise, he allows it…
in repentance we Glorify God… every one sins even the righteous man does 7 times a day
so it is not saying to god we don’t want you we want our sin, it is more a weakness that builds us when we fight it. for example a soul fighting lust will glorify God every time he says no I won’t do that because it offends God. If that soul did not have lust he would miss a million chances of giving glory to god and another thing is when we fight temptation we have grace offered to help us fight… so sin is all part of Gods plan.It is not meant to eternally destroy us.
 
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that is just sad…
I have the spirit you have the letter.
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I hope that is not also how you approached your discussion with your priest.

“Having the spirit” does not mean you reject the teachings of Holy Mother Church in favor of your own ideas (and then object when a priest says your ideas are “heresy”).

Sometimes we also just have to accept that priests and the Magisterium of the Church know more about these things than we do.
 
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You are presuming that there are no other ways of glorifying God.

And Also: Yes, every time we are tempted it gives us the opportunity to resist and glorify God. And if we don’t? Yes, every time we fall it gives us the opportunity to repent and turn to God for forgiveness, strength, and grace. And if we don’t?

Whatever the benefits to us when we do turn back to God, sin still turns us away from Him. If you deliberately reject God and you never turn back to him, even in death, where do you think there is to go?
 
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