Heresy on hell, yes or no?

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The Church teaches that we should follow our conscience
If i have a problem I have every right to ask questions and to challenge the Pope himself If I feel the need. that is our Faith, we are not Mohammedans.
you do understand that we are all children of Christ?
We have no Lords or Masters only God???
I will obey the church until such time that I feel She is wrong. Even Peter got corrected.
 
Purgatory is a temporary state of existence, not permanent. Before the gates of heaven were opened, it was sheol, the spiritual prison. The parable of Abraham and Lazarus gives us a glimpse. Once Christ ascended, the gates of heaven were opened, but virtually none of us on earth is pure enough as we are to enter the kingdom (Revelation 21:27).

Therefore, we go through a purification on the way to heaven - what man calls purgatory. We are saved as though passing through fire. 1 Corinthians 3:10-14 defines the concept. It is not a second chance. It is not a place. It is a cleansing we receive while being sent to heaven. It is walking through a heavy rain shower as we approach the gates.
 
Yes but that wasn’t the point, I am not arguing for monsters who reject the good, I am arguing for sinners who fall into hell because they committed mortal sin, some knowing but the vast majority i would say do not know they commit such acts.

all i wanted was a clear teaching from the Church as to why it is Heresy to say Souls can escape hell, when i have a number of references saying that maybe they can.
Once it is made clear i will see how it sits with me in prayer.
 
Yes but that does not answer why he should be sent to satan for correction to save his soul? satan is not in Purgatory is he?
I understand Purgatory I am catholic, what i don;t get is why the church teaches that no one can leave hell ever… surely Christ set the captives free from hell, if we are not judged until judgement day, then what is wrong in thinking that a soul will stay in hell until judgement day where it has a chance of receiving mercy and release? Is the pit not the final place for souls who reject Christ? why is this heresy is what i need to know.
 
The pit is where a soul goes… but after judgement… my point is why is it heresy to say that a soul in hell now will never receive mercy on judgement day. the gospel tells us Hell will be emptied out and the souls in it will be judged, therefor the soul now in hell is not yet judged?
but is being corrected in the sense that it now knows what it is to live outside of the grace of God.
I just don’t get it and the spirit in me tells me that God is above all things merciful to poor sinners.
 
Dude, it’s just Catholic teaching. Your personal opinion doesn’t enter into it. It’s objective truth.
 
that is not the point , I asked for a reason why the church tells us it is heresy to say souls can be released from hell after judgement.
no one is telling me why they say this.
 
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all i wanted was a clear teaching from the Church as to why it is Heresy to say Souls can escape hell, when i have a number of references saying that maybe they can.
Once it is made clear i will see how it sits with me in prayer.
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It’s been repeatedly made clear on this thread. It seems like you just don’t want to accept the explanations.
 
maybe you could indulge me by telling me clearly, all i got was personal opinion on what the gospel is and what hell is and who goes there and why, no one has said why it is heresy to say souls can be freed from hell after judgement, but i will wait for your answer.
 
Mortal sin requires grave matter, full knowledge, and deliberate consent. Someone who doesn’t know that they are sinning cannot be mortally sinning, by definition. No one who is in Hell is in Hell accidentally.

Now what is your mechanism for them escaping Hell? Because the way I see it, God stands ready to forgive them even before they ever get there. But as you have repeatedly said, God will not override their free will. That’s why there must be at least some willingness on the part of the hellbound to repent. If the first instant of Hell didn’t give them the bare minimum of imperfect contrition, why would the first day, the first year, or the first eon?

If they don’t have imperfect contrition while in Hell, why would they have it on judgement day?
 
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CCC 1035
[1035] The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
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ETERNAL separation from God. That means once you are in hell, then you don’t get out somehow and go to Heaven. It’s ETERNAL.

https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm
 
At death, a soul is judged. Their will is frozen at death and cannot change. No second chance. Our decision for heaven or hell is made right here, right now. It requires repentance - turning - from sin and choosing to sacrifice worldly pleasures in order to achieve everlasting life with Christ. We must persevere in faith in order to be saved, along with the other requirements. And they are not a high price to pay, as they are temporal sacrifices - things we give up or do for others in this short life on earth. In exchange, we hope for an eternity of joy in heaven.

Those who have decided to do it their way have knowingly rejected God. Since they are His creations, He may do with them as He wishes - just as any artist has control over his work. And, just as heaven is ternal rewuard (i.e. God’s mercy) so also is hell eternal punishment (i.e. God’s justice).

As to the devil, he roams this earth - right now. He is a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. The world is currently under the influence of the devil and when we reject God; when we depart from Christ, we are in the presence of, and under the direct influence of the devil. This is what is meant by turning someone over to the devil so that his soul may be saved. He was to be turned out of the Christian community so that he would realize his error and come to his senses.

From the Haydock Catholic bible commentary:
" Ver. 3. &c. Have already judged, decreed, and do decree, being present in spirit with you, and with your congregation. — In the name . . . with the power of our Lord Jesus, to deliver such a one to Satan by a sentence of excommunication, depriving him of the sacraments, the prayers, and communion, and even of the conversation of the rest of the faithful. It is likely in those times, such excommunicated persons were delivered over to Satan, so as to be corporally tormented by the devil, to strike a terror into others. See S. Chrys. hom. xv. and this is said to be done for the destruction, or punishment of the flesh, that the spirit, or soul, may be saved. Wi. — It is the opinion of most of the Greek fathers, that this man was either really possessed by the devil, or at least struck with such a complaint as a mortification, and humiliation to his body, whilst it served to purify his soul. We have seen from many instances in holy Scripture, that it was not unusual, in the origin of Christianity, for persons who had fallen into crimes of this nature, to be punished with death, some grievous sickness, or by being possessed by the devil. But most divines are of opinion that this man was delivered over to the devil, so as to be separated from the communion of the Church. Amb. Est. Just. Menoc."
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Yes thank you i understand that, and I was just given the catechism reason for eternity being the lot of souls in hell.
I just didn’t get why they would be judged and the judgement would be the same… I get it now I know the teaching better, but the reasoning for the teaching is not so strong in the light of the gospel is what i was saying… I mean if i read the gospel as a protestant i would be confident in saying that God has made few references in the bible allowing for a release after judgement as he is sending souls to Satan for correction… but they never are corrected in hell? if they can never change or leave why and how are they corrected? I see the explanation of a worldly affair, just didn;t see it that way myself.
but i bow to the wisdom of the Church and won’t ponder it any more. best to move on to more fruitful things. thank you so much for taking the time to help clear my head.
 
I guess it is an interpretation of how depraved the souls in hell really are?
I mean if Our Lady in fatima said that most souls falling into hell is because of sins of the flesh
most are woman… so what comes to my mind is what kind of person commits sins of the flesh and the answer is everyone.
Ok so repentance is what saves us but that would mean that those who did not repent refused mercy before their final fall into hell… that makes no sense to me as i know many
I would have to believe that a gay person on judgement of death he would say to God no thank you i will take eternal damnation? it makes no sense to me at all I’m afraid.
 
When the idea of hell is softened, that it only serves as a time out, then it weakens our resolve to do good, to say no to the things we should, and to help those who maybe have gone down the wrong path.
 
Thank you I am not weakening the teaching just exploring it a bit. we have nothing to fear from the truth.
 
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I would have to believe that a gay person on judgement of death he would say to God no thank you i will take eternal damnation? it makes no sense to me at all I’m afraid.
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That’s what you do every time you sin. “No thanks, God, I choose death and not your gift of life.” Only difference is that in hell, they do not have the grace to change and turn back to God.
 
Yes i get that, it’s i was told that god offers mercy at death but a soul rejects it… I can’t think of anyone who would reject the mercy of God at the moment of death, if he had it offered. if he does have it offered at that point is up for debate I would say, because I,m not sure thats how it works… other wise hell would be empty for sure.
 
Think of the Superbowl. Huge amount of people there, high def cameras everywhere, coverage going all over the US and Canada. Then, you are dropped naked in the middle of the field. All eyes are on you. All the cameras and lights turn onto you.
You would run to the nearest exit. As fast as you could.

It will be like that when you and I die. God will hold up a God mirror and you will see everything, your choices, the impact they had on others, your sins. There will be no hiding, it will be all your nakedness before this brilliant light. If you and I are not clothed in Christ, we will run to the nearest exit. We will call on the mountains to cover us.

Rev 6:15
…15Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”…

Romans 13:13
…13Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 14Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh.
 
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