Hermaphodites transexuals and gays unknown

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question and not meaning to offend anyone with this…
Could gay and or transgender people who identify with these titles actually just unknown hermaphodites? and how would the Church change its views if this is a reality??

I do know many do not even know they are hermaphodites who are, because the only way to tell in some cases is by gentic testing or blood test… i cannot remember which for sure…

In either case my question is if there is any research connecting transgender or gay people with this kind of hermaphodism??
 
question and not meaning to offend anyone with this…
Could gay and or transgender people who identify with these titles actually just unknown hermaphodites? and how would the Church change its views if this is a reality??

I do know many do not even know they are hermaphodites who are, because the only way to tell in some cases is by gentic testing or blood test… i cannot remember which for sure…

In either case my question is if there is any research connecting transgender or gay people with this kind of hermaphodism??
Anyone can join the Catholic church. However with that said the church is incapable of changing its teaching.
 
question and not meaning to offend anyone with this…
Could gay and or transgender people who identify with these titles actually just unknown hermaphodites? and how would the Church change its views if this is a reality??
What would need to change and for what reason?
The preferred term is intersex and there are many different types. Some do not become apparent until puberty or when a person discovers they are infertile.
How common is intersex?
In either case my question is if there is any research connecting transgender or gay people with this kind of hermaphodism??
I’m not aware of any research that connects the two but the website I linked above might answer some of your questions.
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It might very well end up an issue of those individuals NOT wanting to get tested for genetic causes, because if its not there, then what?
 
do you know of any stats that link infertility in people that are intersexed and didn’t know it until adulthood testing?

I am only interested in all of this because i truely think there is more to the trans community than what there appears to be and I do think people are unjustly judging them to quick religiously…
and perhaps even the gay community.

Just like many things in the past society was ignorant about and thought was bad or thought that is was completely something elese than what it was, i think that is what is currently happening to the LBGT Community.

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Hmm, medical data is out there. If you don’t find it on google, try a PubMed search.
 
question and not meaning to offend anyone with this…
Could gay and or transgender people who identify with these titles actually just unknown hermaphodites? and how would the Church change its views if this is a reality??

I do know many do not even know they are hermaphodites who are, because the only way to tell in some cases is by gentic testing or blood test… i cannot remember which for sure…

In either case my question is if there is any research connecting transgender or gay people with this kind of hermaphodism??
What Church “view” are you talking about?
 
Well, its pretty easy to spot a hermaphrodite, they have both male and female sex organs, Im actually confused about them, I dont understand why God would allow such a thing to exist. No matter what sex they were attracted to, you could not call them homosexual…??

In their case, it would truly be impossible to call them male or female, I wonder how this is dealt with…which bathroom do they use growing up, what is the gender on their DL, what would a jail do if one was arrested, when they have both sex organs, seems like it would cause alot of problems, Id be curious to know how many true hermaphrodites there are today.,
 
Well, its pretty easy to spot a hermaphrodite, they have both male and female sex organs, Im actually confused about them, I dont understand why God would allow such a thing to exist. No matter what sex they were attracted to, you could not call them homosexual…??

In their case, it would truly be impossible to call them male or female, I wonder how this is dealt with…which bathroom do they use growing up, what is the gender on their DL, what would a jail do if one was arrested, when they have both sex organs, seems like it would cause alot of problems, Id be curious to know how many true hermaphrodites there are today.,
actually no it is not always so easy…

they do not have to have both sex organs to be intersexed. sometimes you can only tell by gentics…

Such as a person with all female organs… but gentically they are male.
Some you cannot even tell until puberty comes…
Some do not find out until they get testing for why or if they are infertile.

Many intersexed that use surgery or some kind of treatment to be the gender they feel they are end up being called intersexed transexuals.

I would imagine for circumstances such as bathrooms and jail, they would be placed in the gender binary they identify with or their idenity says.

All in all there are different variatons or kinds of intersex (hermaphodite)

Which is why I made this forum…
 
What Church “view” are you talking about?
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That Transexuality is sexually immoral. no?

But if there is medical evidence that they are actually intersexed, what is wrong with treatment (surgery or hormone) to be the gender they identify with? (intersexed trans)
Or dressing with their gender idenity?
 
Well, I recall there was once a study in which craniologists set out to find a difference between gay men and straight men’s brains. They found several areas in which the “gay brains” were different. BUT: because the researchers were looking for any difference they could find, there was a good chance they would find some difference, even if it wasn’t a difference universal to all gay/straight brains.
washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/22/ST2008062202006.html
Other studies, better because they were more focused on what sort of differences they wanted to look for, also found differences between male-to-female transgender brains and cis-male brains.
newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html#.VS6tgPmoqm4

If we believe these results, gay men and male-to-female transgenders are kind of intersex in the brain, since the brains are more female-like" than the average straight or cis male brain.
 
missed this post.

That Transexuality is sexually immoral. no?

But if there is medical evidence that they are actually intersexed, what is wrong with treatment (surgery or hormone) to be the gender they identify with? (intersexed trans)
Or dressing with their gender idenity?
Can you boil this down to an actual example? We already have methods of determining our chromosomal genotypes and sexual potency/fertility.

For example, say you’re an XY man and capable of fathering children. In your example, you discover what exactly, in terms of being intersex, and how does this discovery make a difference in the morality of surgery/hormones?
 
missed this post.

That Transexuality is sexually immoral. no?

But if there is medical evidence that they are actually intersexed, what is wrong with treatment (surgery or hormone) to be the gender they identify with? (intersexed trans)
Or dressing with their gender idenity?
Can you boil this down to an actual example? We already have methods of determining our chromosomal genotypes and sexual potency/fertility.

For example, say you’re an XY man and capable of fathering children. In your example, you discover what exactly, in terms of being intersex, and how does this discovery make a difference in the morality of surgery/hormones?
Many intersexed that we have identified, are infertile but not all. A small amount that HAS BEEN idenitified can reproduce.
Lets say you have a person who has the appears (phyiscally) of a Man.
This “man” has either female organs hidden away from the outside view of the body, or has genes XX or even XXY and May or may not have any female organs or has both organs of both sexes on the outside.
This person could identify as a woman if that is how they truly feel to be vs man. Gender is not the same as the sex of a person… and intersexed people are perfect examples of that.
There could be a person who identifies as Male, but have female parts outside, male inside, or have the genes XY, XX, XXY and not any male organs.
There also could be a person who appears (phyiscally) of a Woman.
This woman has either male organs hidden away from the outside view of the body, or the various genes described and May or may not have organs of males, or has both organs of both sexes outside or even Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS).
For an intersexed to be Homosexual, is a reality, because to be a homosexual intersexed person, you would have to be attracted to the gender you identify with.
Heterosexual, the opposite gender you identify with.
Lets say, this Man you speak of who happens to be Intersex, and can reproduce, I have to ask, what does he identify with your example?
I assume you are talking of a senerio where the very male organs are outside and well working and perhaps either the female are inside, or some outside (chest), or the XXY XX senerio (this includes mosaic genes of a person). (this “he” is not one sex or another)
To be Heterosexual-
Identifies Male, well that is easy, he can not get surgry/hormone treatment (if needed) and keep they what his body is, or he can get the methods available to appear completely as a man.
Identifies female, well, would it not be homosexuality to be attracted to a female?
This female who is Heterosexual would get the methods available to appear as completely as possible as female.
 
Many intersexed that we have identified, are infertile but not all. A small amount that HAS BEEN idenitified can reproduce.
Lets say you have a person who has the appears (phyiscally) of a Man.
This “man” has either female organs hidden away from the outside view of the body, or has genes XX or even XXY and May or may not have any female organs or has both organs of both sexes on the outside.
This person could identify as a woman if that is how they truly feel to be vs man. Gender is not the same as the sex of a person… and intersexed people are perfect examples of that.
There could be a person who identifies as Male, but have female parts outside, male inside, or have the genes XY, XX, XXY and not any male organs.
There also could be a person who appears (phyiscally) of a Woman.
This woman has either male organs hidden away from the outside view of the body, or the various genes described and May or may not have organs of males, or has both organs of both sexes outside or even Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS).
For an intersexed to be Homosexual, is a reality, because to be a homosexual intersexed person, you would have to be attracted to the gender you identify with.
Heterosexual, the opposite gender you identify with.
Lets say, this Man you speak of who happens to be Intersex, and can reproduce, I have to ask, what does he identify with your example?
I assume you are talking of a senerio where the very male organs are outside and well working and perhaps either the female are inside, or some outside (chest), or the XXY XX senerio (this includes mosaic genes of a person). (this “he” is not one sex or another)
To be Heterosexual-
Identifies Male, well that is easy, he can not get surgry/hormone treatment (if needed) and keep they what his body is, or he can get the methods available to appear completely as a man.
Identifies female, well, would it not be homosexuality to be attracted to a female?
This female who is Heterosexual would get the methods available to appear as completely as possible as female.
My example was a person with XY chromosomes and perfectly functioning male sex organs, and no observable female sex organs, but identifies as female. I bring this stark example up because I was under the impression from your OP post that you were suggesting that there’s some unknown criteria that might make this person fall under the category of intersex.
 
My example was a person with XY chromosomes and perfectly functioning male sex organs, and no observable female sex organs, but identifies as female. I bring this stark example up because I was under the impression from your OP post that you were suggesting that there’s some unknown criteria that might make this person fall under the category of intersex.
You are talking about just Transexual?
Because I brought up the possibility of them being a new kind of intersex.

Ok I understand now.
I would not know what would make them intersexed, I was just merelying saying they could be a type we have not identified yet, esp with them saying they feel like

EXAMPLE “I feel like a woman trapped in a Man’s body” -your example

When gays do not feel nor think that way. However that feeling can be common in the Intersexed community.

If transexuals happen to be a type of intersexed, then the methods available to have the body match the gender they identify with, would not be wrong.

I cannot say how a transexual could be intersexed, as there has not been studies (that I know of) on this subject yet.

This thread was made because I have the suspetion it very well could be this senerio, and how we should not be too quick to judge esp when the matter has not been investigated by scientists yet…(that I know of) As science should be left to science as the Catholic Church says…

Plus it would be great if anyone who knows of this kind of information or study, could share links in this thread. I have had heard rumored information that perhaps the person could have a brain that is of the opposite sex, however as someone already commented a study that was looking for differences in the brain between subjects, (maybe on a different thread?) which is different from the rumored information I heard - Female brain vs Male.
 
Also,

Some people go through life without knowing they are intersexed and they are…

Some people do not know until they are tested (which many trans do not test for)

And you could be tested for it, but it may not actually show up in a person until after puberty.
 
Yes, I guess you could say I was talking about “just transssexual”. The point that I would make about them is that if their reproductive organs are formed to the point of allowing them to reproduce as a member of that sex, then it seems to me that their reproductive system should not be tampered with. Through hormones or surgery. And regardless of what we may learn in the future that could lead to considering them intersex.

Now, I might not say the same for a person with a much more complex, underdeveloped, or ambiguous, reproductive situation. Those are more difficult questions, but they don’t involve the suppression of a functioning biological system.
 
Yes, I guess you could say I was talking about “just transssexual”. The point that I would make about them is that if their reproductive organs are formed to the point of allowing them to reproduce as a member of that sex, then it seems to me that their reproductive system should not be tampered with. Through hormones or surgery. And regardless of what we may learn in the future that could lead to considering them intersex.

Now, I might not say the same for a person with a much more complex, underdeveloped, or ambiguous, reproductive situation. Those are more difficult questions, but they don’t involve the suppression of a functioning biological system.
Yes I understand your view on this and I do agree to an extent… but I think it is hasty saying that it is a sin when we actually do not know that yet and because we “others” do not understand this “thing”. Esp with alot of hate towards them, I find it sad. And I think they should get tested for intersexed… even if they were tested as a child (I do not think they should be made to test, but willingly do it theirselves).

Though not common, it does happen in intersexed people (well developed and fertile organs) however if they feel they are the other gender… they should do what they feel they are. 🙂 because after all… they are both sexes… so the gender they are is what they feel they are.
 
Yes I understand your view on this and I do agree to an extent… but I think it is hasty saying that it is a sin when we actually do not know that yet and because we “others” do not understand this “thing”. Esp with alot of hate towards them, I find it sad. And I think they should get tested for intersexed… even if they were tested as a child (I do not think they should be made to test, but willingly do it theirselves).

Though not common, it does happen in intersexed people (well developed and fertile organs) however if they feel they are the other gender… they should do what they feel they are. 🙂 because after all… they are both sexes… so the gender they are is what they feel they are.
Okay, I won’t say “never”, but I’ll say “I can’t imagine a reason…” There’s always something we may not have considered.

And as for the hate, I very much agree that it has no place. We should always welcome any neighbor, and especially comfort those that need comfort. My heart goes out to anyone who is in distress.
 
Okay, I won’t say “never”, but I’ll say “I can’t imagine a reason…” There’s always something we may not have considered.

And as for the hate, I very much agree that it has no place. We should always welcome any neighbor, and especially comfort those that need comfort. My heart goes out to anyone who is in distress.
🙂 I agree.
 
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