Hermaphodites transexuals and gays unknown

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Rau said:
Certainly true. And it is appalling that an individual would choose to mutilate their body. The ‘need’ to do it must be great and the alternatives ineffective.
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But many people have problems which cause them to have “needs” and no alternatives. What do we do for them? We help them to at least accept the problem if not to cure the *mental *problem underlying the “need.” Thus, we do not give gastric bypass surgery to anorexics.
 
St_Francis said:
But many people have problems which cause them to have “needs” and no alternatives. What do we do for them? We help them to at least accept the problem if not to cure the *mental *problem underlying the “need.” Thus, we do not give gastric bypass surgery to anorexics.
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We apply surgery to those who overeat.

Generally, we don’t reject a therapy for some solely because it will be unsuitable for some or many. We don’t ask all to suffer because we are unable to help all. I’m not arguing that this mutilation like surgery is a good thing, just saying that the argument you put above does not fly.
 
Thorolfr said:
Is the most important thing about a body that it can procreate? There sometimes seems to me to be an obsession with procreation here in CAF. 😉
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It’s not about procreation. You misunderstand. The same concerns would be present if someone decided that their eyes, nose, ears, limbs are a mistake and decided to deliberately “sterilize” their eye so that its perfectly healthy function is thwarted and it can no longer see. That would be a sin. But if they had surgery to make an eye that doesn’t see see, there is no sin but a good deed.
 
Rau said:
We apply surgery to those who overeat.

Generally, we don’t reject a therapy for some solely because it will be unsuitable for some or many. We don’t ask all to suffer because we are unable to help all. I’m not arguing that this mutilation like surgery is a good thing, just saying that the argument you put above does not fly.
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In none of those surgeries do we destroy the functioning of the body. Overeaters can still eat like normal people.
 
JesusPeaceLove said:
In none of those surgeries do we destroy the functioning of the body. Overeaters can still eat like normal people.
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I don’t know whether that is entirely accurate in all licit surgeries, but in any event, it’s not relevant to the point in debate with the other poster as I think my post demonstrated clearly.
 
JesusPeaceLove said:
It’s not about procreation. You misunderstand. The same concerns would be present if someone decided that their eyes, nose, ears, limbs are a mistake and decided to deliberately “sterilize” their eye so that its perfectly healthy function is thwarted and it can no longer see. That would be a sin. But if they had surgery to make an eye that doesn’t see see, there is no sin but a good deed.
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But you can cut a foot or a hand off or gouge an eye out if it is causing you to sin (Matthew 18:8-9):

8 “If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life maimed or lame than to have two hands or two feet and to be thrown into the eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and to be thrown into the hell of fire.

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Thorolfr said:
But you can cut a foot or a hand off or gouge an eye out if it is causing you to sin (Matthew 18:8-9):

8 “If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life maimed or lame than to have two hands or two feet and to be thrown into the eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and to be thrown into the hell of fire.

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No Christian has ever read that verse literally. It’s about detachment. Preferring your relationship with God above all things. Another says we must “HATE” our mothers, fathers, loved ones. No one has ever read that literally either
 
Rau said:
We apply surgery to those who overeat.

Generally, we don’t reject a therapy for some solely because it will be unsuitable for some or many. We don’t ask all to suffer because we are unable to help all. I’m not arguing that this mutilation like surgery is a good thing, just saying that the argument you put above does not fly.
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I guess my main concern is that all the energy being put towards the idea that this is within the bounds of normalcy and HRT/SRS are the answer. No one is working towards a different way to resolve the underlying problems. Those who spontaneously recover are considered never to have had the actual problem. And every other problem is attributed to lack of acceptance on the part of others.

Suppose the problem is mothers drinking tap water which is filled with hormones? Then we could do something to prevent others from suffering through this. Or suppose it’s caused by something in the child’s environment? But as long as we do what we are doing now, the situation will remain the same.
 
St_Francis said:
I guess my main concern is that all the energy being put towards the idea that this is within the bounds of normalcy and HRT/SRS are the answer. No one is working towards a different way to resolve the underlying problems. Those who spontaneously recover are considered never to have had the actual problem. And every other problem is attributed to lack of acceptance on the part of others.

Suppose the problem is mothers drinking tap water which is filled with hormones? Then we could do something to prevent others from suffering through this. Or suppose it’s caused by something in the child’s environment? But as long as we do what we are doing now, the situation will remain the same.
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When very difficult medical conditions come to be partially addressed, or simply accepted, this may lessen the drive to really understand what gives rise to the condition in the first
place, which is very likely a pre-requisite to uncovering the best treatment (if there is one). Same sex attraction is further down this road.
 
Rau said:
When very difficult medical conditions come to be partially addressed, or simply accepted, this may lessen the drive to really understand what gives rise to the condition in the first
place, which is very likely a pre-requisite to uncovering the best treatment (if there is one). Same sex attraction is further down this road.
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From my perspective as a gay man, same-sex attraction is not a disease or a “condition” that needs to be “treated” 🤷
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
do you know of any stats that link infertility in people that are intersexed and didn’t know it until adulthood testing?

I am only interested in all of this because i truely think there is more to the trans community than what there appears to be and I do think people are unjustly judging them to quick religiously…
and perhaps even the gay community.

Just like many things in the past society was ignorant about and thought was bad or thought that is was completely something elese than what it was, i think that is what is currently happening to the LBGT Community.

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A lot, not all, of infertility in females is due to an imbalance of hormones. This imbalance can also cause facial hair and other masculine attributes. Could a link to same sex attraction bevrelated to this? Maybe, but not sure because there are completely fertile gay people.
 
Rau said:
This is not the exception - it is the norm. Persons identifying as gay are as likely to be fertile as others.
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Is it? Or do hormones play a role? Im speaking from experience, im not in the science or health field so i can only speak on experience. Ive always been masculine as a female, a tomboy. Aggressive and even grew facial hair. I had same sex attractions and even dated fenales when i was younger. Several years ago i was diagnosed with PCOS which is the lead cause of infirtility in women as well as hormonal imbalance.
 
HungerNThirst4R said:
Is it? Or do hormones play a role? Im speaking from experience, im not in the science or health field so i can only speak on experience. Ive always been masculine as a female, a tomboy. Aggressive and even grew facial hair. I had same sex attractions and even dated fenales when i was younger. Several years ago i was diagnosed with PCOS which is the lead cause of infirtility in women as well as hormonal imbalance.
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Personal anecdotes are not persuasive. You suggested homosexual persons were materially less likely to be fertile. I’ve never seen a study that suggests that. But, I do recall seeing a report of a sperm bank running s campaign directed at gay men to encourage them to donate.
 
HungerNThirst4R said:
Is it? Or do hormones play a role? Im speaking from experience, im not in the science or health field so i can only speak on experience. Ive always been masculine as a female, a tomboy. Aggressive and even grew facial hair. I had same sex attractions and even dated fenales when i was younger. Several years ago i was diagnosed with PCOS which is the lead cause of infirtility in women as well as hormonal imbalance.
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It has been shown that prenatal hormonal exposure probably plays a role in sexuality and gender identity development.
 
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