Hermaphrodites

[Holly3278]

Can you imagine that many people in one place at a time? It’s not so small as you might think. In comparison to the whole country? Of course it’s small compared to that, but quite a few of us have horror stories on what was done to us, because we were born differently.

I had operations done on me, mostly at the suggestion of my parent’s priests of the time. So the Church DOES ‘suggest’ or ‘pick’ or made medical choices. Maybe the priests overstepped my bounds in my case, but it doesn’t change the fact that they did so.

Look, I am in no way condoning rude or mean behavior towards you or any transsexed individual because of your transsexism.

And by the way, I believe that in the context of this thread and the recent posts, the contrast of how many there are of you and how many in the country is a good contrast and is probably the better one.

 

[pathia]

Look, I am in no way condoning rude or mean behavior towards you or any transsexed individual because of your transsexism.

And by the way, I believe that in the context of this thread and the recent posts, the contrast of how many there are of you and how many in the country is a good contrast and is probably the better one.

The proper term in this thread is intersex, not transsexual. I happen to be an intersexual who rejected the assignment and thus am a transsexual. They are two different conditions/disorders, I just happen to be both.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Last time I checked, I’m not a bird. Red blood cells don’t have a nucleus, thus, no DNA to check, that’s why I said white blood cells.

As for an expense, well, I think $12,000 is expensive and that’s what the last round of this stuff cost me out of pocket.

Umm, I was not intending the bird either.

All species of red blood cells grow from a nucleated cell – usually in the bones. They typically divide for to five times before the final division leaves one red blood cell with a nucleus – and one without it. The one without a nucleus is no longer able to reproduce, and the other small one with the nucleus gets eaten in an auto-immune response.

I was asking because your comment suggests two different genetic developmental disorders, and that would possibly imply something a particular researcher would be VERY interested in. I was going to suggest a friend of my sister in Law at the Mayo clinic in MN.

If you do have the alternate condition, I know how you could have the tests done for no cost. eg: Believe me, a sand flea is not that rare – as my brother got them in Iraq (in the desert sand…)-- but it was interesting enough since they do not occur here in the U.S. to get special (almost free) attention in exchange for exclusive rights to the examination results (They didn’t even take his SSN#). Less than $100.

I have Bechets, which isn’t that common either (My first doctor just diagnosed it as an autoimmune response associated with asthma and prescribed steroids – And, luckily, my second doctor was kind enough to just diagnose it officially as a “rash” in the intestines…which “probably” was healing… Boy was I glad to find out that it wasn’t Herpes and cancer! I was wondering if I was the only person in the world to get it from a toilet seat or something…)

But it doesn’t affect my insurance unless I get it “officially” confirmed by a rhumatologist (mis-spelled??)

Of course, I am not interested in more steroids or the cancer drugs … but it was nice to find out what my risks were compared to what I read off the internet. I don’t freak so much when I start bleeding heavily.

I was just thinking you might be interested in the kind of researcher who may not cure you, but could tell you more about what you were dealing with and what to expect…

I didn’t mean any offense like suggesting you were an animal, or lab rat, or anything…

 

[pathia]

I was asking because your comment suggests two different genetic developmental disorders, and that would possibly imply something a particular researcher would be VERY interested in. I was going to suggest a friend of my sister in Law at the Mayo clinic in MN.
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My doctors called it chromosomal mosiacism, and that it was fairly common. As far as we know, I am not a chimera, which might be one of the things you’re thinking of.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

All righty, then, yes, uh … back to the subject of the thread.

peace.

 

[aspawloski4th]

They should remain single. Some people are not made for marriage…

And what gives you the right to determine that?

 

[Holly3278]

The proper term in this thread is intersex, not transsexual. I happen to be an intersexual who rejected the assignment and thus am a transsexual. They are two different conditions/disorders, I just happen to be both.

I’m sorry to hear that you are transsexual. Anyway, sorry about using the wrong term. I didn’t realize it until earlier but couldn’t find the post I made in order to edit it.

 

[CreosMary]

Hi everyone. As we know from the Bible, there are only two genders: male and female. However, when it comes to hermaphrodites, it is difficult to tell which gender a person is sometimes. I think that sometimes they can’t even tell by looking at the genetics of a person but I am not sure on that one.

Anyway, should hermaphrodites marry if it is inconclusive as to which gender they are or should they remain celibate?

What do you think about this issue in general?

These days, if a child is born with questionable gender, medical personnel can prove the gender by DNA, then corrective surgery can be carried out.
I think they can marry as long as they are one gender in heart, mind and in attempts to physically correct the malformation; however they will always be sterile

 

[pathia]

These days, if a child is born with questionable gender, medical personnel can prove the gender by DNA, then corrective surgery can be carried out.
I think they can marry as long as they are one gender in heart, mind and in attempts to physically correct the malformation; however they will always be sterile

Corrective surgery on infants is falling out of favor because of the incredibly poor results and unfortunate examples of where the child grows up to clearly be not as what is assigned. Chromosomal analysis is only one part. Again, there are XY females and XX males. There is not even a simply A or B when it comes down to genetic information.

You can at best to a ‘best guess’ and I don’t know about you, but ‘best guess’ and then start chopping and hacking pieces of a healthy body apart makes me cringe. I suffer constant unending infections and hospitalizations because of the butchery done to me only 26years ago and it was considered ‘state of the art’.

 

[newbetx]

Corrective surgery on infants is falling out of favor because of the incredibly poor results and unfortunate examples of where the child grows up to clearly be not as what is assigned. Chromosomal analysis is only one part. Again, there are XY females and XX males. There is not even a simply A or B when it comes down to genetic information.

You can at best to a ‘best guess’ and I don’t know about you, but ‘best guess’ and then start chopping and hacking pieces of a healthy body apart makes me cringe. I suffer constant unending infections and hospitalizations because of the butchery done to me only 26years ago and it was considered ‘state of the art’.

Hi, Pathia, Glad to see you back.

I’m happy to hear about the change in attitude. Is there anything we can do for the situation or is this a medical community thing? Is there legal action planned?

 

[pathia]

Hi, Pathia, Glad to see you back.

I’m happy to hear about the change in attitude. Is there anything we can do for the situation or is this a medical community thing? Is there legal action planned?

The best thing you can do is make sure that if any of your friends or family members have a child like this, that you help make them informed. Most of the organizations that help their cause have beliefs that are counter to the church’s beliefs, so there really isn’t anywhere to donate to.

No lawsuits that I know of, the lead doctor for my surgery has died, so I can’t sue him.

 

[newbetx]

The best thing you can do is make sure that if any of your friends or family members have a child like this, that you help make them informed. Most of the organizations that help their cause have beliefs that are counter to the church’s beliefs, so there really isn’t anywhere to donate to.

No lawsuits that I know of, the lead doctor for my surgery has died, so I can’t sue him.

Do parent actually share such information? I would suspect not. And what would they put on the Birth Certificate? Is there an “I” category, yet?

That was the type of legal action I was talking about. I should have used the word Legislative instead. Sorry.

 

[pathia]

Do parent actually share such information? I would suspect not. And what would they put on the Birth Certificate? Is there an “I” category, yet?

That was the type of legal action I was talking about. I should have used the word Legislative instead. Sorry.

Many parents try to keep it hidden from everyone, including the child, because they view it as very embarrassing. I think in Australia you can put an I on a birth certificate, that is not an option here.

 

[dthomas23432]

It seems to be that some of you are trying to use some vague rules and guidelines to determine peoples genders. If a person think and feels they are a certain gender that is almost if not more important than a dna test. Since when did the church start solely relying on science. One more thing; try and steer clear of the almost borderline jargon when posting.

Most importantly, saying that intersexuals should find a group of other people like themselves to find a significant other is very isolating and completing ignoring the social problems that face many people everyday.This is a great forum in which to remedy problems, but sweeping them under the rug just will never work.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

question and not meaning to offend anyone with this…

I do know many do not even know they are hermaphodites who are because the only way to tell in some cases is by gentic testing or blood test… i cannot remember which for sure…

In either case my question is if there is any research connecting transgender or gay people with this kind of hermaphodism?? could these people who identify with these titles actually just unknown hermaphodites? and how would the Church change its views if this is a reality??

 

[Bruised_Reed]

question and not meaning to offend anyone with this…

I do know many do not even know they are hermaphodites who are because the only way to tell in some cases is by gentic testing or blood test… i cannot remember which for sure…

In either case my question is if there is any research connecting transgender or gay people with this kind of hermaphodism?? could these people who identify with these titles actually just unknown hermaphodites? and how would the Church change its views if this is a reality??

Resurrecting old threads is discouraged and you are asking a question that is off-topic. It would be best if you started a new thread.

I’ll give you something to help you should you begin a new thread: the correct term is intersex.