Hermit monks plan monastery on remote Wyo. ranch [Incomprehensible Opposition to Catholic Monastery in Wyoming]

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If and when they start dunning the laity and me for money to support their efforts, then I will respond that 'it’s none of my business".
That is your right.

Just because the laity donates money to a religious institute does not give them a right to know the private financial planning/information of the institute nor does it give them a say in how their donations are used.

If they do not like that then they do not donate, period.
 
I believe that we can have a kind and fraternal discussion on the subject without pitting laity and religious. Let’s look at this point in smaller pieces and we should be able to learn something, with great gentleness.

I’ll begin with a disclaimer here. I’m coming at this from my Franciscan perspective, which has often been called impractical. I’m not the person who has been called impractical, Francis and his sons and daughters have been called impractical. But from my “impractical” Franciscan perspective I see several things that have come true throughout history.

When God wants something, he provides for it. It is always through the laity, because the laity has the resources and the laity is the resource. Vocations come from the laity, not only money. Religious are born as laymen. Even though this means financial hardship and hard work, something more important is playing itself out when the laity and the religious have to work together to make these things work. There is a transcendent reality playing itself out. That reality, is the oneness of the Church as we profess in the Creed. We believe in one Church or in the oneness of the Church. As St. Paul says, one part of the body helps the other part of the body. In this case, the laity helps the religious, using its temporal resources and its knowhow in financial matters. The religious sanctifies the laity by his presence in the world. The very act of professing the evangelical councils is an event of great grace for the individual, the religious institute and the entire Church. For this reason, the Church believes and teaches that religious life is essential to her life and that everyone must support its continued existence.

This last point leads to our role in the Church. Each of us, religious, cleric or lay, has a moral duty to promote what is essential to the Church. Religious life is one of those gifts that we must promote. Not to promote it or support it, to use Paul’s metaphor, is like the arm ignoring the heart. I deliberately use the heart, because in several of her decrees the Church has always placed the consecrated life at the heart of the Church. Whether I’m a Franciscan, diocesan priest, or secular layman, I’m called to promote the consecrated life.

In promoting the consecrated life, it is not up to me to define or outline parameters for that life. That’s up to the Holy Spirit and it is up to the proper canonical authority to recognize the actions of the Holy Spirit. In this case, that falls on the shoulders of the local bishop. It is up to him to determine that this community is the work of God and that God wants it to go forward. Once he has done so, Christ has spoken. When it comes to religious life and Holy Orders, Christ speaks only through the hierarchy, not the rest of us. Therefore, we must always assume that whatever crosses our minds on these matters comes from us, not from Christ, unless that which crosses our minds is consistent with what the hierarchy has said.

If the bishop has already determined that this particular community has been called into existence by God and that this plan is God’s will and he gives it his blessing, there is nothing else that I or anyone else can add to this. Christ has spoken and I certainly cannot take Christ to task because he does or does not have a financial plan.

Finally, the we have seen great movements begin with great plans and no visible means of executing them. Yet, God has always provided. It has always been through the laity. That’s the role of the laity. The laity, uses its secularity to move and manipulate (in the good sense) the resources in the world for the good of the Kingdom of God. There are four religious families that come to my mind that began with great plans, no resources and no financial plan, but their faith in God and their fraternal relationship with the laity brought about the work that God wanted. In chronological order, these are the Franciscan family, the Vincentian family, the Missionaries of Charity family and recently the Missionaries of the Poor. They did not have a penny. Nor did they have a plan for raising money. They had plans for saving souls and serving the Church. God provided the rest, through the laity. I know that the Franciscans, Vincentians and Missionaries of Charity have always said that we have no idea how much money we have. No one keeps track of it. It just comes. No one reports to the laity how it’s used, either. Each group just does what it was called to do, minute by minute . . . with great faith that God has plenty of money. The financial concerns belong to the local or regional superior, not the laity or the individual religious either. Religious never have a clue whether they have money or not. However, we have great faith in God and man, so we proceed with our plans to do his work.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JR, I’m not sure about your statement that religious don’t have a clue as to whether they have any money or not. I think that religious are very careful planners and know exactly how much money they have. They also make careful plans and hope that they will find support for those plans–from the laity. They often do find support for their plans. The desert nuns and the WY Carmelites may, too, find support for their large architectural endeavors. It would be wise for those planning these efforts, however, to know how much it’s going to cost and to have in place some plans for raising the money. I don’t want to know what these plans are–it’s none of my business. But if I were planning a large donation to either group, I would want to know. It’s only prudent, and prudence is a virtue I expect all religious to possess, especially those in positions of responsibility. I would do the same thing in lending money to any member of my family (not a good idea, btw). Religious orders may want to rely on God, which is fine, but I have heard too many stories of their lack of financial planning coming back to haunt them not to know that prudence and wise financial planning are essential.
 
JR, I’m not sure about your statement that **religious don’t have a clue as to whether they have any money or not. **I think that religious are very careful planners and know exactly how much money they have. They also make careful plans and hope that they will find support for those plans–from the laity. They often do find support for their plans. The desert nuns and the WY Carmelites may, too, find support for their large architectural endeavors. It would be wise for those planning these efforts, however, to know how much it’s going to cost and to have in place some plans for raising the money. I don’t want to know what these plans are–it’s none of my business. But if I were planning a large donation to either group, I would want to know. It’s only prudent, and prudence is a virtue I expect all religious to possess, especially those in positions of responsibility. I would do the same thing in lending money to any member of my family (not a good idea, btw). Religious orders may want to rely on God, which is fine, but I have heard too many stories of their lack of financial planning coming back to haunt them not to know that prudence and wise financial planning are essential.
The bold is mine. I’m talking about the individual. There is always a treasurer or some other title and a superior who know. We don’t know. We don’t ask those questions and we never get reports. That’s not for us to know. That’s part of the vow of poverty to be detached from those things. It’s part of obedience to follow your superior’s lead and it’s part of chastity to depend on your brothers and sisters and allow them to depend on you. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t know how much we have and I don’t need to know. I’m not the treasurer nor the Superior General. I’m only a local superior.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JR, I’m not sure about your statement that religious don’t have a clue as to whether they have any money or not. I think that religious are very careful planners and know exactly how much money they have. They also make careful plans and hope that they will find support for those plans–from the laity. They often do find support for their plans. The desert nuns and the WY Carmelites may, too, find support for their large architectural endeavors. It would be wise for those planning these efforts, however, to know how much it’s going to cost and to have in place some plans for raising the money. I don’t want to know what these plans are–it’s none of my business. But if I were planning a large donation to either group, I would want to know. It’s only prudent, and prudence is a virtue I expect all religious to possess, especially those in positions of responsibility. I would do the same thing in lending money to any member of my family (not a good idea, btw). Religious orders may want to rely on God, which is fine, but I have heard too many stories of their lack of financial planning coming back to haunt them not to know that prudence and wise financial planning are essential.
Have you forgotten Mystic Monk Coffee? I am sure it is a profitable venture, the product is excellent and they are well known.
 
People,
What concern is the form of this monastery to you? It concerns me because it is local to me, well, by mountain standards; will be the second closest to our parish.
How can I explain to you that the monastery will not be visible from all of their land, let alone other land? Drive to the middle of nowhere, (paved), then take a turn off, up the mountains, another 15 miles, more or less. This ain’t Kansas, can’t see past the next ridge, usually only a few miles away. We’re talking up a draw quite a ways. Might be they need that steeple so they can find their way back, though more likely, it doubles as a lightening rod. (My calculations, [yes, another engineer], could stand to be a bit higher. But it is their decision, NOT mine!) I’m just thrilled that they are building it! Their purpose is to build it; mine is to be inspired, encouraged, directed, etc. by their efforts. LIGHTEN UP!
I have to say this; Gothic is the way to go for that location. Not talking the appearance, talking the structural part (Gothic is practical, that looks fantastic). You see, they will experience about 200 earthquakes a year. Gothic structural, nuts and bolts, is well suited to that. They know what they are doing!
Now, what I want to share. Our school, small but mighty in accomplishment, is selling Mystic Monk coffee to raise funds for one of their projects (one where they are over achieving any reasonable expectations; but I needn’t bore you with that, or brag about other’s achievements, like they were my own). The wonderful point is that I can buy Mystic Monk through our school and support both our school and the monks at the same time. What a wonderful situation!
 
People,
Their purpose is to build it; mine is to be inspired, encouraged, directed, etc. by their efforts. LIGHTEN UP!
Very well said. Those of us who are in the active life should take the time be find inspiration from those who give up their lives to pray for us. Maybe I’m the only person here who is in deperate need of the prayers and glory that these men raise to God on my behalf. I’m not about to tell them, God or the Church how it should be done. I just want whatever graces they can muster for me. I know that I’m not going to be around much longer, so I need all the spiritual help they can offer.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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