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AnimalSpirits
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How so? Like, the regulated and registered shops are the only ones that sell legalized weed- how would their profits be good for illegal dealers?
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Tigg
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Seriously? Yes the sales in the dispensaries are supposedly regulated, but really - the key word here is* profit.* Only naivety would conclude that criminal channels would not want to cash in on the millions in pot sales to expand their business in heroin/coke sales. Apparently there is some evidence of this and that is what is being investigated.
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AnimalSpirits
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The whole point of being a drug dealer is to hide from the authorities! You think they’re eager to put their names on a list and file paperwork, just to do what they can already do illegally (but now with taxes)?
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Lost_Wanderer
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I for one would sooner live next door to the Addam’s family or the F.R.I.E.N.D.S. group than Lucy and Ricky Ricardo.
You could also mention the Parable of the Third Servant: Chickening out in the face of risk by burying your talents when you’re supposed to invest in them. Like you said man, you can’t take it with you so you might as well.
I don’t mean this to sound disrespectful but is the idea of saving at the expense of personal happiness a Baby Boomer thing? Oftentimes I read about pundits saying the Left embodies itself in the hardcore partying, living large Millennial crowd. While on the other hand, they’re singing praises for the saving-for-retirement camp and how Obama is the Anti-Christ for putting those people in supposed jeopardy.
These aren’t my words by the way. I’m just echoing sentiment here. Pot legalization aside, the hoarding behavior of those who fear life after retirement isn’t what I call progress. (This says something as I can be quite the hoarder myself but only for a set period.)
For what it’s worth, modern medicine does trace a handful of discoveries to old world treatments.
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Bradski
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I’m not sure you know how the drug business works.You’ll find that there are many people that would vote “yes” for legalization of marijuana not because they are interested in using it, but because they are fully aware of the potential profit. We know … we live in a state where currently we are fighting the pot barons to stabilize our community and schools. (it’s a nuanced difference that may be hard to grasp at first).
Let’s say basil was currently illegal and you had to buy it from a dealer. It would be expensive. Then it was decriminalised. Do you think you’d still be paying black market prices or would you grow a pot of it on the kitchen window?
Spot on…
Uh?
You’re right. It’s not cheap. Because it’s a black market commodity. If it wasn’t it would be free. Buy a small plant or some seeds and you have a never ending supply. It’s called weed for a reason. I’ve had some growing on my deck for the last 5 years.
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GEddie
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“Old World” != shamanism!
ICXC NIKA.
ICXC NIKA.
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Captain_America
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I’m the OP, just returned to take a look at responses today.
It’s ENORMOUSLY HUMOROUS to me to see the Legalize Marijuana issue is the thing getting discussed!
There’s a bevy of folks who are pot smokers who have no hesitation to not only defend the practice, but who also refuse to look deeply at the issue. They also like to toss out various specious and thin “economic” arguments.
Science shows that drugs don’t help human flourishing. You miss out on the good life. ALL of use have seen drug wastrels. In genuine economic terms, one cannot dispute that pot use hurts the GDP—as well as families and persons.
It’s also shown time and again that pot users commit crime to help pay, as a group, for their addiction. (It’s certainly an emotional addiction). It’s just unhealthy, also, to put all that chemical **** in your lungs: shown to be physically worse for you than cigarettes.
So it goes. If you don’t like facts, shut up and smoke your pot happily. Just don’t run your car into mine, or try to tell me your destructive behavior is—somehow—inexplicably—a virtuous thing. Tell yourself more and more lies to keep from thinking.
(2) People reading this jump to the conclusion that Cap wants a Return to the Glorious Past. I suppose some want this. I just want clear-thinking and science to be applied. This should well show that abortion IS murder (despite the relativistic stuff, the nominalism), that women fighting in the frontline is barbaric and a bit of political tokenism, that pornography on television and the internet is a BAD thing, and that we know that single mothers aren’t quite the best support systems for children. And, of course, that homosexuality is a disordered condition (even homosexuals know this, deep down, when they think in good faith).
I’m no Democrat (God forbid!) and I’m no Republican (that’s a hard bar to chew); I just think in 2015 we know better than some of these socially-destructive, ****** ideas being tossed around.
(3) And of course, do we really want a federal agency to reduce our adulthood and do our thinking for us? The newly-concocted (by the press) talk about vaccination suggests that one part wants to Nanny us to death.
Me, I like being an adult.
It’s ENORMOUSLY HUMOROUS to me to see the Legalize Marijuana issue is the thing getting discussed!
There’s a bevy of folks who are pot smokers who have no hesitation to not only defend the practice, but who also refuse to look deeply at the issue. They also like to toss out various specious and thin “economic” arguments.
Science shows that drugs don’t help human flourishing. You miss out on the good life. ALL of use have seen drug wastrels. In genuine economic terms, one cannot dispute that pot use hurts the GDP—as well as families and persons.
It’s also shown time and again that pot users commit crime to help pay, as a group, for their addiction. (It’s certainly an emotional addiction). It’s just unhealthy, also, to put all that chemical **** in your lungs: shown to be physically worse for you than cigarettes.
So it goes. If you don’t like facts, shut up and smoke your pot happily. Just don’t run your car into mine, or try to tell me your destructive behavior is—somehow—inexplicably—a virtuous thing. Tell yourself more and more lies to keep from thinking.
(2) People reading this jump to the conclusion that Cap wants a Return to the Glorious Past. I suppose some want this. I just want clear-thinking and science to be applied. This should well show that abortion IS murder (despite the relativistic stuff, the nominalism), that women fighting in the frontline is barbaric and a bit of political tokenism, that pornography on television and the internet is a BAD thing, and that we know that single mothers aren’t quite the best support systems for children. And, of course, that homosexuality is a disordered condition (even homosexuals know this, deep down, when they think in good faith).
I’m no Democrat (God forbid!) and I’m no Republican (that’s a hard bar to chew); I just think in 2015 we know better than some of these socially-destructive, ****** ideas being tossed around.
(3) And of course, do we really want a federal agency to reduce our adulthood and do our thinking for us? The newly-concocted (by the press) talk about vaccination suggests that one part wants to Nanny us to death.
Me, I like being an adult.
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Captain_America
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Oh here’s a recent post from another section of CA.
If you smoke pot (or somehow feel sympathetic to it) I personally, from my heart, encourage you to stop it and pick up a less harmful habit. Eat carrots; go running, go fishing, talk to your family, play soccer.
I don’t have children yet, but hopefully in the near future that will change.
What I do have is a nephew-in-law who smokes pot and is talking about becoming a drug dealer. He’s only 17, but has already made some attempts. His mother caught him with several bongs and some pot, and he tried to grow it as well.
To him it seems like an easy way to get rich. He is a high-school dropout and everyone has pretty much given up on him. His parents are not willing to do anything, so the rest of the family doesn’t have too many options.
We’ve been told flat out to stay out of it since he is not our child and we are not parents at all (like that’s the qualification needed to say that this is not a good career path). So now we don’t even comment and they don’t talk about it in front of us since we disapprove.
My husband resents their lack of action.
But I’m worried about the interaction between him and our child when we are parents. Actually, I don’t want it.
So here are my thoughts, you tell me if I’m overreacting.
Not so long ago he wanted to spend a weekend at his grandparents’ house (my in-laws). It seemed a little odd, it had to be that very weekend. During that weekend he didn’t answer his phone or made very sure he couldn’t be overheard. He went out with some friends and they knew where to find him. It seemed like he was hiding from someone and needed to spend a few days out of town. On the other hand, the people he did see also seem very suspicious.
I’ve seen situations where various characters (from legal debt-collectors to less legal enforcers) came to family members’ houses to find someone who didn’t want to be found. It wasn’t nice and I don’t want to take the risk.
My husband agrees in principle, but he is also torn since he loves his aunt and cousin.
They don’t take things very seriously, they are used to shrugging their shoulders and taking the easy way out with the kid, and they wouldn’t really understand why anyone would want avoid their place just because they have a drug addict in the house.
If you smoke pot (or somehow feel sympathetic to it) I personally, from my heart, encourage you to stop it and pick up a less harmful habit. Eat carrots; go running, go fishing, talk to your family, play soccer.
I don’t have children yet, but hopefully in the near future that will change.
What I do have is a nephew-in-law who smokes pot and is talking about becoming a drug dealer. He’s only 17, but has already made some attempts. His mother caught him with several bongs and some pot, and he tried to grow it as well.
To him it seems like an easy way to get rich. He is a high-school dropout and everyone has pretty much given up on him. His parents are not willing to do anything, so the rest of the family doesn’t have too many options.
We’ve been told flat out to stay out of it since he is not our child and we are not parents at all (like that’s the qualification needed to say that this is not a good career path). So now we don’t even comment and they don’t talk about it in front of us since we disapprove.
My husband resents their lack of action.
But I’m worried about the interaction between him and our child when we are parents. Actually, I don’t want it.
So here are my thoughts, you tell me if I’m overreacting.
- If he cleans up, really cleans up, we’re good.
But that seems very unlikely, since they are all acting like it’s a phase and he will grow out of it while he sinks deeper and deeper. - If he continues to use drugs, we don’t see him.
We stay away from events which include him or take place where he lives (with his mother and grandmother, my husband’s cousin and aunt).
That would mean coming to some events after he has left and staying away from their place and missing their birthdays. Sad, but they are the ones who refuse to do anything about his lifestyle and I refuse to take my child to a drug den.
They would be able to come over if they wanted, as long as they didn’t bring him. - If he really does go into dealing drugs, we don’t go where he goes, even when he’s not there.
That would be very unfortunate since it would include my in-laws’ house.
I love my in-laws, but they are soft and tolerant of this whole situation, and I love my child more. If his friends know he uses their place as his hideout, I don’t want to go there.
Not so long ago he wanted to spend a weekend at his grandparents’ house (my in-laws). It seemed a little odd, it had to be that very weekend. During that weekend he didn’t answer his phone or made very sure he couldn’t be overheard. He went out with some friends and they knew where to find him. It seemed like he was hiding from someone and needed to spend a few days out of town. On the other hand, the people he did see also seem very suspicious.
I’ve seen situations where various characters (from legal debt-collectors to less legal enforcers) came to family members’ houses to find someone who didn’t want to be found. It wasn’t nice and I don’t want to take the risk.
My husband agrees in principle, but he is also torn since he loves his aunt and cousin.
They don’t take things very seriously, they are used to shrugging their shoulders and taking the easy way out with the kid, and they wouldn’t really understand why anyone would want avoid their place just because they have a drug addict in the house.
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kozlosap
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It’s OK to be an adult as long as it doesn’t compromise the Health of millions of others because you refuse to believe that vaccinations are necessary. I was born in April of 1953. On Christmas Eve of 1951 my three year old brother died in an iron lung from polio. When the vaccinations became available, my parents considered the Salk bros to be heros. Polio shot clinics were at the local elementary school on weekends and the entire community stood in line to receive the lifesaving miracle drug. As a retired public school teacher, I would actively advocate for mandatory vax. My daughter graduated from a Jesuit university and there was an outbreak of meningitis one October. ALL students were required to be vaccinated or they were not allowed to attend classes or any other school functions. GOOD JESUIT COMMON SENSE!
Be an adult and show concern for others in this world.
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Lost_Wanderer
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Right and Rambo’s a hero? As others and myself have clearly pointed out to you, chivalry is not Catechism.
Let me get this straight, you talk about science and reason but scoff at vaccination as if it’s only for children? :ehh:
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Captain_America
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I do not scoff at vaccination. Get vaccinated.
I scoff at the notion of having Big Nanny always banging on people and acting coercively.
Do you long for a government employee to come to your door with a syringe?
No. As an adult, you should use common sense to take care of yourself.
Get vaccinated. Its the sensible thing to do if you want to live well.
I scoff at the notion of having Big Nanny always banging on people and acting coercively.
Do you long for a government employee to come to your door with a syringe?
No. As an adult, you should use common sense to take care of yourself.
Get vaccinated. Its the sensible thing to do if you want to live well.
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Captain_America
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. . . I suppose the same Big Nanny will come and tell us how much sleep we need, and tuck us in.
I resent the possibility of having my adulthood being taken away from me, and I’m apprehensive of any fellow citizens clamoring to be taken care of by Big Nanny. … and neither liberals nor conservatives have found big government action to be the Cornucopia that it has been promised to be.
Would you give up freedom for security? That’s the feudal thing to do.
I also resent news reporters picking around at this issue, trying to stir up dust, and exciting the poor liberals with the idea that there are throngs of unwashed ignorant plebes who cannot act with reason. To no small extend, news reporters stir up issues and give the false impression of problems.
I resent the possibility of having my adulthood being taken away from me, and I’m apprehensive of any fellow citizens clamoring to be taken care of by Big Nanny. … and neither liberals nor conservatives have found big government action to be the Cornucopia that it has been promised to be.
Would you give up freedom for security? That’s the feudal thing to do.
I also resent news reporters picking around at this issue, trying to stir up dust, and exciting the poor liberals with the idea that there are throngs of unwashed ignorant plebes who cannot act with reason. To no small extend, news reporters stir up issues and give the false impression of problems.
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Captain_America
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It’s interesting to me to consider that liberals believe in a Golden Utopian Future and heavily rely on technologies of state coercion, medicine, media to try to engineer this future.
At the same time, the more this is done, we see scientifically that the amount of public happiness in the United States has declined greatly. Is there a connection?
Perhaps. The more we individualize ourselves, the less emotional growth and maturity we have, the more we can only find physical pleasures to be the measurement of what is good for us.
Hence, more candy (in various forms). Hence, liberals are forced to find ways to maximize candy for individuals.
I can’t help but laugh at the enormous importance—undue weight—given to sexual pleasure by the liberals. This makes me laugh. It shows the thin and naive vision of life being offered up by this small group.
At the same time, the more this is done, we see scientifically that the amount of public happiness in the United States has declined greatly. Is there a connection?
Perhaps. The more we individualize ourselves, the less emotional growth and maturity we have, the more we can only find physical pleasures to be the measurement of what is good for us.
Hence, more candy (in various forms). Hence, liberals are forced to find ways to maximize candy for individuals.
I can’t help but laugh at the enormous importance—undue weight—given to sexual pleasure by the liberals. This makes me laugh. It shows the thin and naive vision of life being offered up by this small group.
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kozlosap
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Paranoia is not healthy. I hope you find some peace before the proverbial tin foil goes up on your Windows. I will pray for your peace of mind about living in the Western Industrialized World.
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StSentry83
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And I suppose you genuinely believe that the fact that he can make a lot of money that way has nothing to do with marijuana’s status as an illegal drug?
Captain America:
Wait, wait. I’m trying to wrap my mind around your statements about government. A government that forces vaccinations on its people is a “big nanny,” but a government that wages a multi-billion dollar war against a plant that isn’t inherently dangerous is… not a “big nanny”?
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Lost_Wanderer
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Are you being sarcastic or am I really hearing this from a man who’s country’s known for espousing the four freedoms?
Need I remind you:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Freedom_from_Want.jpg
http://images.art.com/images/products/regular/13212000/13212873.jpg
http://www.letshavefunwithenglish.com/projects/country_film/images/rockwell_freedom_of_speech.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Freedom_from_Fear.jpg
These are all things that were fought for by the very superhero that is your CAF handle. And as a very individualistic person, I covet all of the above.
Yet, if your post is serious, you are railing against a nanny government all the while saying that individualism is the spirit that calls for it? What then did your country’s founding fathers represent when they shook off the yoke of England?
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Captain_America
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The temper of the times is that we are juveniles who cannot be trusted to think for ourselves (this statement is made by Cap in response to the folks who quick-read and mistook my ANTI-anti-vaccination view). I’m surprised at the quick response of some leaders to talk about forcing vaccination. This strikes me as a violation of one’s essential personal autonomy.
By the same light, there was recently a talk at which a professor discussed the development of techno-nano-“mosquitoes” that could bite you to nab some of your blood. This to me is a violation of one’s privacy, is it not to you?
The temper of the times is that sexual pleasure is the chief end of human life. Watch television, watch movies and this really is a bottom-line message. This notion fuels a great many liberal policies.
Is this real? Is this truth?
I expect progress to help people, not degrade them or treat them as subservient juveniles.
I also expect that in a democracy we can establish rules that help make our social life better, and thus ourselves better: a key condition of our own good is our development in the world around us.
I see marijuana as social pollution. I see Quick-Response Military involvements the same way. Abortion is simply nasty and degrading and anti-human. I have always disliked the death penalty. I feel we need to support single mothers and the family itself, rather than promote a radical individualism that essentially tears down people.
There is quite a difference between liberty and heedless libertinism.
By the same light, there was recently a talk at which a professor discussed the development of techno-nano-“mosquitoes” that could bite you to nab some of your blood. This to me is a violation of one’s privacy, is it not to you?
The temper of the times is that sexual pleasure is the chief end of human life. Watch television, watch movies and this really is a bottom-line message. This notion fuels a great many liberal policies.
Is this real? Is this truth?
I expect progress to help people, not degrade them or treat them as subservient juveniles.
I also expect that in a democracy we can establish rules that help make our social life better, and thus ourselves better: a key condition of our own good is our development in the world around us.
I see marijuana as social pollution. I see Quick-Response Military involvements the same way. Abortion is simply nasty and degrading and anti-human. I have always disliked the death penalty. I feel we need to support single mothers and the family itself, rather than promote a radical individualism that essentially tears down people.
There is quite a difference between liberty and heedless libertinism.
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ThinkingSapien
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Just to provide some context to what is being referenced here.
dailymail.co.uk:
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Lost_Wanderer
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You need to fix your understanding of individualism. What you’re essentially bantering on about is no different than Jack Chick using examples from Dave Hunt to define Catholicism.
What you have is just quite the horrendous strawman.
Individualism at worst just promotes anarchy (which is neither Left or Right). The only way it ever tears down people would be when said people are the entities existing outside the individualist. You cannot call one sheeple while simultaneously an individualist any more than you can pump and deflate the same balloon at the same time. They are two inherently opposed ideologies!
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Midwest88
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If we just left people alone - didn’t care what they did, as long they aren’t hurting anyone - we wouldn’t be such a bigoted backwards nation. It’s none of our business what people do in their bedroom, who they date and marry. Social justice and equality should be sought out for everyone no matter their gender and sexual orientation. We got one life to live, so tend to your garden and don’t worry what others do if it doesn’t impact you or your loved ones. Live and let live; love is love; forgive and forget.
Who cares if one enters a same-sex relationship or even marries someone of the same-sex?
Who cares if one gets an abortion?
Who cares if one smokes pot for recreational use?
Who cares if there’s explicit sex scenes in the movies you watch?
The world won’t end.
People make mistakes so deal with it. It’s their body so their choices. Wat you think doesn’t matter.
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Who cares if one enters a same-sex relationship or even marries someone of the same-sex?
Who cares if one gets an abortion?
Who cares if one smokes pot for recreational use?
Who cares if there’s explicit sex scenes in the movies you watch?
The world won’t end.
People make mistakes so deal with it. It’s their body so their choices. Wat you think doesn’t matter.
/sarcasm
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