"Hey Dude, where's my Progress?!?!"

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Midwest88 said:
If we just left people alone - didn’t care what they did, as long they aren’t hurting anyone - we wouldn’t be such a bigoted backwards nation. It’s none of our business what people do in their bedroom, who they date and marry. Social justice and equality should be sought out for everyone no matter their gender and sexual orientation. We got one life to live, so tend to your garden and don’t worry what others do if it doesn’t impact you or your loved ones. Live and let live; love is love; forgive and forget.

Who cares if one enters a same-sex relationship or even marries someone of the same-sex?
Who cares if one gets an abortion?
Who cares if one smokes pot for recreational use?
Who cares if there’s explicit sex scenes in the movies you watch?

The world won’t end.

People make mistakes so deal with it. It’s their body so their choices. Wat you think doesn’t matter.

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You’ve learned the libertarian rant. Spend time studying its consequences and the real-world negative impacts; study a serious critique of libertarianism.
 
Captain_America said:
You’ve learned the libertarian rant. Spend time studying its consequences and the real-world negative impacts; study a serious critique of libertarianism.
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If rhetoric like yours is the result, I’m not sure I’d call the critique serious. From my own personal experience, thinking along your lines has practically brought me to war with everyone the faith commands I make peace with (friends and family first and foremost).

Don’t even get me started on that contradictory rubbish that is “I came not to bring peace but the sword.” party line that some Christians use to justify their self-ascribed status as moralist sheriffs. To heck with how you apply it on an administrative level, I’ll stick to a bit of live-and-let-live ‘libertarianism’ for my personal life.
 
Captain_America said:
In genuine economic terms, one cannot dispute that pot use hurts the GDP—as well as families and persons.
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False.
Captain_America said:
It’s also shown time and again that pot users commit crime to help pay, as a group, for their addiction.
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False.
Captain_America said:
(It’s certainly an emotional addiction)
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Inaccurate and misleading.
Captain_America said:
shown to be physically worse for you than cigarettes.
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False.
Captain_America said:
Just don’t run your car into mine,
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New study shows no link between marijuana use and car accidents

Please stop spouting unsubstantiated hogwash. Do some homework.
 
Not really on the same level as pot, but still related and very curious,Awhile back I read a local newspaper article about this kroger parking lot right outside the city of Cincinnati, OH, apparently police have been seeing alot of drug activity here, they claim a large number of people use this parking lot in the morning, to both buy, sell heroin, and also will sit in their cars, shoot up, and then drive off to work, since this lot is very close to the city and expressway ramps, The police claimed this activity made the parking lot very dangerous, but days later, someone had written an editorial, asking if this area has an unusually large number of traffic accidents, as it would seem logical if that many people are using it to inject a strong drug like heroin, there must be alot of traffic accidents from people trying to drive high, as well as crime statistics from the area to back up the polices claims.

Another week or so, and the same reporter does a follow up story, apparently, according to the crime records, this area does NOT have a large number of crimes, with heroin, one would expect alot of thefts, robberies, etc. but this lot was no worse than any other, also, there was not many traffic accidents in the area, despite police claims of very high drug use…So, someone is either lying or making this seem much more dangerous than it actually is…???
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
To heck with how you apply it on an administrative level, I’ll stick to a bit of live-and-let-live ‘libertarianism’ for my personal life.
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You’re from the Philippines. All of a sudden you’re highly sought after observer of the US’s administration.
 
Forkfoot said:
False.

False.

Inaccurate and misleading.

False.

New study shows no link between marijuana use and car accidents

Please stop spouting unsubstantiated hogwash. Do some homework.
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False???..your opinion only. Let me state another area of “progress” - one no one could have predicted. We live in an unincorporated county and are unabashedly fighting the negative affects of our newly legalized pot industry (alongside law enforcement which is woefully unequipped to deal with this.) Our county commissioners have now formed a board of *non-elected *“officials,” answerable to none of us concerned, tax-paying citizens to approve as many new licenses for the marijuana industry as their whim dictates. We can hardly believe this is legal for them to pass the reins of their authority in this area to hirelings they have appointed. This is cowardly behavior meant to protect them from their irate constituency. So while you may see nothing wrong with advancing recreational marijuana, you might want to take a peek on the other side of the fence to see the bigger picture.
 
Tigg said:
False???..your opinion only.
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Not that anyone on your side of the debate is citing any scientific facts or medical studies to substantiate their claims, but for every corporatist hack statistic they might try to cite I could find ten which contradict it. There is no scientifically or sociologically supported reason that pot should be more illegal than alcohol.
 
Forkfoot said:
Not that anyone on your side of the debate is citing any scientific facts or medical studies to substantiate their claims, but for every corporatist hack statistic they might try to cite I could find ten which contradict it. There is no scientifically or sociologically supported reason that pot should be more illegal than alcohol.
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You are right in saying that there are no real concrete reasons why it should be more illegal than alcohol. I totally agree.

But I think that line is a dangerous one. It sort of suggests that alcohol consumption is legal therefore pot should be legal, there is an equivalency argument. This tends to perpetuate this lie that alcohol is safe and legal therefore pot is safe and legal too. I would contend that using either one in the way “most” Americans use them, like “most” Americans use anything really…over-consumption, abuse, in this case to substantially change one’s perception of reality and experience of reality…this is a dangerous precedent to set.

Now I am no scientist or sociologist just a recovering alcoholic, who certainly loved the way the synergistic combo of the p.o.t. and b.o.o.z.e. made my issues vanish until morning…but I don’t need a study, or an experiment to dictate to me the dangers of any of these drugs…there needs to be solid education about all drugs…not the “drugs are bad mmmmkay” routine that occurs in high school to check a box…but solid informative stuff, like this is what actually happens to you when you use drugs chronically, it doesn’t matter which ones…and for that matter lets do some solid education on all legal prescriptions too.
 
SonSearcher said:
there needs to be solid education about all drugs…not the “drugs are bad mmmmkay” routine that occurs in high school to check a box…but solid informative stuff, like this is what actually happens to you when you use drugs chronically, it doesn’t matter which ones…and for that matter lets do some solid education on all legal prescriptions too.
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I’m all about educating people about pot; hence my appearance in this thread. And if you’ve seen any drug education curriculums in schools these days you’ll know that pot is the one drug they have a very hard time portraying as something scary. There really aren’t any facts to put it anywhere near the level of alcohol in terms of potential physical or mental harm. Can it be abused? Sure, everyone knows people who abuse it. Everyone also knows people who abuse junk foods, but those aren’t illegal. It’s just not an inherently harmful drug and it does have many proven health uses.
 
Marijuana is 2.5 times more carcinogenic than tobacco. Put that in your pipe! 🙂

Now really. We’re experienced people and we know what we experience. Most of us can point to stoners who simply detach from life as a result of their love of the stuff. . . in the way the opium smokers in China used to do. The result is lost economic productivity (the Business Roundtable had stats on that circulated a few years back), but more importantly, what our society loses is a bit more of its ability to help shape valuable and meaningful lives. We lose the ability to make things better.

A doctor elsewhere on CA has pointed on the medical hazards. I point out the moral hazards.

It is confusing the issue to bring up alcohol’s lawfulness. This distracts the focus here.
 
I reiterate that it is a social loss to put women in active combat.

We have apparently lost whatever standards of good taste/decency existed when it comes to television, and the Current Occupant seems just fine with prime time television actors discussing fisting and masturbation.

Do we really want our social environment to be polluted like this?

I also think that there are powerful people in the Democratic party who somehow believe that sexual pleasure is life’s highest good and purpose. Go figure.

They’re abetted by Republican libertarians who somehow believe utopia will be achieved when we’re all free of government. . . society without rules. . . which means, in the end, rule by the powerful over the weak. Adios, mi Democracy.
 
Pot may be more carcinogenic then cigarettes when compared one to one but since most smokers go thru a pack a day or more, I think cigarette smokers are taking in way more dangerous chemicals.
 
Captain_America said:
Marijuana is 2.5 times more carcinogenic than tobacco. Put that in your pipe! 🙂
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I notice you again fail to cite a source for this sweeping bloviation. I like sources. I’ll even use Fox News.
Captain_America said:
Now really. We’re experienced people and we know what we experience. Most of us can point to stoners who simply detach from life as a result of their love of the stuff.
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We can also point to people who do the exact same thing with food, television, science fiction, hobbies, and internet forums. Should those things be illegal?
Captain_America said:
but more importantly, what our society loses is a bit more of its ability to help shape valuable and meaningful lives. We lose the ability to make things better.
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False.
Captain_America said:
A doctor elsewhere on CA has pointed on the medical hazards. I point out the moral hazards.
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I hope that doctor joins this conversation. I’ll enjoy obliterating his horrible arguments as well.
Captain_America said:
It is confusing the issue to bring up alcohol’s lawfulness. This distracts the focus here.
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No, you just know it’s devastating to your position.
 
Midwest88 said:
That’s not progress, in any way. That’s backwards.
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You’re absolutely right, but even more “progress” is coming. :rolleyes:

300 corporations have filed an amicus brief that will impose SS marriage on the whole country if the SC so deems. Their main argument is that profits will increase, even for the states. * “They say that talented people are hard to find and keep in states that recognize only true marriage. True marriage violates their “principles of diversity and inclusion.” Imposing faux marriage on the country would “reduce current costs, administrative burden, and diversion of resources from our core businesses. A diverse, inclusive workplace environment increases the total human energy available to the organization. People can bring far more of themselves to their jobs because they are required to suppress far less.”*

crisismagazine.com/2015/corporations-enemy

Christians know that your worst hour is yet to come with all this “progress” and only the strong will stand.
 
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