Hey Episcopals, are you joining the Anglican Church?

[GKC]

I think you know the answers to all of your ridiculous questions. If this is how Catholics act, then I don’t want any further part of it. This is plainly stupid and it’s wrong. Episcopalians are one province of the now 40 in the Anglican communion. Most of the others do not even resemble the Episcopal church which is a very liberalized church. If we don’t agree with them that’s fine, but let’s not resport to acting plum stupid because of it.

The sort of questions RC asks here are very common ones. The first post I ever made, anywhere, was explaining the Anglican world setup to some nice Roman Catholics.

38 provinces in the Anglican Communion, unless you know of two new ones. About 2/3s of such ordain females, about 1/2 have authorized female bishops.

GKC

 

[JonNC]

I think you know the answers to all of your ridiculous questions. If this is how Catholics act, then I don’t want any further part of it. This is plainly stupid and it’s wrong. Episcopalians are one province of the now 40 in the Anglican communion. Most of the others do not even resemble the Episcopal church which is a very liberalized church. If we don’t agree with them that’s fine, but let’s not resport to acting plum stupid because of it.

I didn’t find R_C’s questions particularly ridiculous. In fact, I find him to be one of the more engaging and reasonable forum-mates here.
Jon

 

[firstmode]

It is. We are the American expression of the Anglican Communion.

Why would you rejoice in this? Just so you can mock us for being hopelessly divided like other Protestants (Anglicans, until recently, were not subject to this mockery)?

Episcopalians are Anglicans. But those who have left the Episcopal Church still consider themselves Anglicans, which has led to the unfortunate perception that an “Anglican” is a non-Episcopalian. I prefer to call myself Anglican (though Catholic and Christian are obviously far more important descriptions to which I lay claim), because it describes my membership in the Anglican Communion, which is far more important to me than the national “Episcopal Church.”

If you mean: do I think that homosexuality is natural, or that homosexual unions can be blessed by the Church as fully legitimate sexual unions in a manner analogous to marriage between a man and a woman–then certainly not.

Because I am not a Donatist heretic. The church has condoned many sins over the centuries. That doesn’t make us cease to be the Church. I don’t know why you even mention homosexuality as an issue, given that the Episcopal Church generally condones abortion, which is far, far worse. And both Anglicans and Catholics have at times condoned slavery, racism, unjust/unnecessary war, torture, persecution of heretics–all of which are at least as serious as (I would say much more serious than) homosexuality.

The only legitimate ground for leaving a Christian church is that it no longer professes Jesus to be Lord and thus has ceased to be Christian. Well, I might draw the line with the denial of the Trinity. But nothing less than that.

I should also add that the diocese in which I currently live is orthodox on the question of homosexuality, and is generally one of the more conservative dioceses in the Episcopal Church (with the departure of the really conservative dioceses, we may be on the right-wing fringe of the Episcopal Church now!), although we do ordain women, which many of you regard as an unorthodox practice.

Edwin

I do not believe that other Christian groups are hopelessly divided, I think most of us have much more in common than not and I do not see having different denominational names as hopelessly divided, but in many cases I see them more along the lines of the different rites of the Catholic Church. I see that many denominations are started due to regional customs and politics.

The Baptists say a lot of things about speaking in tongues and have their opinion about what is happening, yet I have many baptist friends and they have many pentecostal friends and we worship together and visit each others churches all the time. In my experience many people have many family members and close friends who are of different denominations and we will visit each others churches and worship together all the time.

I think the separation that many see in Protestant denominations is very false. I have grand parents that are Southern Baptist, a mother who is non-denominational charasmatic, a father who is Baptist, an uncle who is presbyterian, a good friend who is souther baptist, another good friend who is a Oneness pentecostal, and in laws that are non-practicing Christians who hold to Christian moral beliefs. We all worship together and have very few doctrinal differences that get in the way of our sharing together in worship and love of God.

It is good that your church sees that abortion, homosexuality, lying, drunkeness, are sinful and disgusting in the eyes of the Lord. It is interesting that two American Anglican Episcopal churches right down the street from each other can have very varying beliefs on Morality to the point where arguments would break out between their members. I am not used to a denomination like that.

 

[TAB39]

The sort of questions RC asks here are very common ones. The first post I ever made, anywhere, was explaining the Anglican world setup to some nice Roman Catholics.

38 provinces in the Anglican Communion, unless you know of two new ones. About 2/3s of such ordain females, about 1/2 have authorized female bishops.

GKC

ACNA as of June 09???

 

[Contarini]

I think you know the answers to all of your ridiculous questions. If this is how Catholics act, then I don’t want any further part of it.

I think you are being unnecessarily rude to “Roman Catholic” here. There is a lot of silly triumphalism on this forum (as one would expect on a forum dominated by conservative members of an ancient and dogmatic tradition), but we can get so hyper-sensitive that we see insults everywhere. I think he’s asking honest questions.

Edwin

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

I think you know the answers to all of your ridiculous questions.

Something tells me you are not a teacher by profession… Do you work for the Government?

Yes, I do know the answers now thanks to GKC and Edwin. Thankfully they didn’t see my questions as being too ridiculous to answer.

Sorry you took offense to my questions. None was intended.

I’d be careful laughing too hard. Many many Christians do not consider us to be Christian but instead a cult.

On the contrary. That is all the more reason to laugh.

God bless you.

 

[GKC]

ACNA as of June 09???

Remains to be seen. What do you know of it, as of now?

GKC

 

[TAB39]

Remains to be seen. What do you know of it, as of now?

GKC

Oh, it’s going to happen for certain.

 

[GKC]

Oh, it’s going to happen for certain.

The ACNA is going to be accepted into the Anglican Communion? Which is what I took your reference to the “40” to refer to.

GKC

 

[GKC]

Something tells me you are not a teacher by profession… Do you work for the Government?

Yes, I do know the answers now thanks to GKC and Edwin. Thankfully they didn’t see my questions as being too ridiculous to answer.

Sorry you took offense to my questions. None was intended.

On the contrary. That is all the more reason to laugh.

God bless you.

It was in that first thread, discussing the politics, and things, of Anglicanism, around 8-9 years ago, that I first made Edwin’s acquaintance. We are still on opposite sides of the line. Mostly.

GKC

 

[TAB39]

The ACNA is going to be accepted into the Anglican Communion? Which is what I took your reference to the “40” to refer to.

GKC

Yes. I have it on good info. that it will be for sure. TEC and ACNA will be the two Anglican branches in the US. They will be about as far apart as the ELCA Lutherans and the WELS Lutherans.

 

[GKC]

Yes. I have it on good info. that it will be for sure. TEC and ACNA will be the two Anglican branches in the US. They will be about as far apart as the ELCA Lutherans and the WELS Lutherans.

Hmm. Cantuar seemed to have made (IIRC) some comments back a few months ago that went against such a conclusion. But, interesting. Seems to violate a few principles of polity that I would have thought would have been insisted on, from Canterbury, and would, I would have thought, required a vote of the Primates, but interesting. Sort of like the whole TAC/Rome thing is interesting.

You know this from a public source, or an inside one?

GKC

 

[TAB39]

Hmm. Cantuar seemed to have made (IIRC) some comments back a few months ago that went against such a conclusion. But, interesting. Seems to violate a few principles of polity that I would have thought would have been insisted on, from Canterbury, and would, I would have thought, required a vote of the Primates, but interesting. Sort of like the whole TAC/Rome thing is interesting.

You know this from a public source, or an inside one?

GKC

A member of the newly formed Executive Board of one of the diocese which will be in the ACNA.

 

[GKC]

A member of the newly formed Executive Board of one of the diocese which will be in the ACNA.

Public announcement to be made in June?

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

Why would you rejoice in this? Just so you can mock us for being hopelessly divided like other Protestants (Anglicans, until recently, were not subject to this mockery)?

Actually, the phrase “hopelessly divided” brings to my mind (and I suspect a lot of other Catholics’ minds) what Dr. Scott Hahn, a convert from Protestantism to Catholicism, said …

Upon closer examination, I found the various Orthodox churches to be hopelessly divided among themselves, similar to the Protestants, except that the Orthodox were split along the lines of ethnic nationalisms

(Not surprisingly, that statement and others Dr. Hahn made offended a lot of Orthodox – see for example – and embarrassed a lot of Catholics, but at the same time it is a sort of backhanded complement to Protestants.)

 

[Peter_J]

Roman_Catholic;5198553:

So Episcopalians couldn’t really say, “I am no longer Episcopalian, but Anglican”? Almost like a Christian saying, “I’m no longer Christian, but Catholic”

How does the Anglican Communion play out? Can the Episcopalians (American Anglicans) decide they want women priest, or homosexual priests with out the consent of the Anglican Church in England?

God bless

I think you know the answers to all of your ridiculous questions. If this is how Catholics act, then I don’t want any further part of it. This is plainly stupid and it’s wrong. Episcopalians are one province of the now 40 in the Anglican communion. Most of the others do not even resemble the Episcopal church which is a very liberalized church. If we don’t agree with them that’s fine, but let’s not resport to acting plum stupid because of it.

TAB39,

I’ve seen hostility toward Anglicans and Protestants (and Orthodox, for that matter) in a lot of posts on CAF – and I mean a lot – but I can’t really see it in the post you quoted.

My :twocents:

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

TAB39,

I’ve seen hostility toward Anglicans and Protestants (and Orthodox, for that matter) in a lot of posts on CAF – and I mean a lot – but I can’t really see it in the post you quoted.

My :twocents:

Thank you,

I really have no reason to have hostility towards Anglicanism. Outside of knowing that G.K. Chesterton was Anglican prior to conversion and some of our common beliefs, I really don’t know much about the communion And I have no problems admitting my ignorance in this, even if my questions seem… ridiculous, to those who have studied the Communion.

Most any question from someone who doesn’t know too much about a subject is going to sound ridiculous to those who have done much study in the area.

I was not aware though that this knowledge about the Anglican Communion was part of our General Education that everyone is supposed to know, “50 states… 27 Amendments to the Constitution, and… 38 jurisdictions to the Anglican Communion”

Oh well.

God bless

 

[TAB39]

Public announcement to be made in June?

GKC

Yes.

 

[TAB39]

Bishop Robert Duncan of the Diocese of Pittsburgh will be the Archbishop of the ACNA.

 

[GKC]

Bishop Robert Duncan of the Diocese of Pittsburgh will be the Archbishop of the ACNA.

This I knew. My interest is in what the Communion’s reaction is going to be. It seems to me that it will difficult indeed for any official notice to be taken of the ACNA, by +Cantaur, or by the Communion as a whole, for a variety of reasons. Let me know if and when the story breaks.

GKC