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Ok so before the main topic a little about myself…I’ll be 15 in a few weeks, I’m pretty active in my youth group (not only attending but helping), I’ve been in Catholic school my whole life until this year (home schooling, but I plan on going to Catholic high school next year). For the most part I’m pretty normal for a teenage guy except…I’m bisexual. I’ve gone through a lot of depression over the fact and now I accept it. My parents found out (not what I was planning…) and well…it didn’t go so well. Out of all the people who know (about 11 not including them) they didn’t accept it. They are pretty devout Catholic but all the other people I told are Catholic as well…in fact no one really cared but them.

Ok so now some questions…I get the whole “sex outside of marriage is a sin” thing but what “homosexual acts” constitute as a sin? Example…If I were to date a guy would kissing or hugging or holding hands be constituted as a sin? Or would the fact I’d be dating a guy would be the sin? From my viewpoint since they are not sins for heterosexuals why would they be sins for a homosexual couple? But I’ll let you answer…I love hearing other people’s thoughts. By the way I’ve never dated a guy (only girls) but I might as well have the info handy.

Now marriage…homosexual couples can not produce a child therfore the relationship isn’t valid like a heterosexual one. However knowingly infertile AND older heterosexuals can get married but…they can’t produce children either. So in my opinion it’s a contradiction. Now I’m assuming some answers will be “natural law”…well humans were created by God as a superior being to all the other creatures on the planet…so in that case humans are not bound by nature in the same way…yet another contradiction. If humans were created based on natural law we would run off instincts not free will and choice.

Lastly I just want to know why some passages of the bible, especially the ones about homosexuality are kept in effect when ones in the same book say that stoning someone is ok.

I feel like a contradiction myself 😊 I’m pro gay and anti abortion.

And lastly if you totally oppose everything I said, watch Prayers for Bobby…great movie…heck watch it anyway. It will change your perspective on this.
 
MrWizard said:
Ok so before the main topic a little about myself…I’ll be 15 in a few weeks, I’m pretty active in my youth group (not only attending but helping), I’ve been in Catholic school my whole life until this year (home schooling, but I plan on going to Catholic high school next year). For the most part I’m pretty normal for a teenage guy except…I’m bisexual. I’ve gone through a lot of depression over the fact and now I accept it. My parents found out (not what I was planning…) and well…it didn’t go so well. Out of all the people who know (about 11 not including them) they didn’t accept it. They are pretty devout Catholic but all the other people I told are Catholic as well…in fact no one really cared but them.

Ok so now some questions…I get the whole “sex outside of marriage is a sin” thing but what “homosexual acts” constitute as a sin? Example…If I were to date a guy would kissing or hugging or holding hands be constituted as a sin? Or would the fact I’d be dating a guy would be the sin? From my viewpoint since they are not sins for heterosexuals why would they be sins for a homosexual couple? But I’ll let you answer…I love hearing other people’s thoughts. By the way I’ve never dated a guy (only girls) but I might as well have the info handy.

Now marriage…homosexual couples can not produce a child therfore the relationship isn’t valid like a heterosexual one. However knowingly infertile AND older heterosexuals can get married but…they can’t produce children either. So in my opinion it’s a contradiction. Now I’m assuming some answers will be “natural law”…well humans were created by God as a superior being to all the other creatures on the planet…so in that case humans are not bound by nature in the same way…yet another contradiction. If humans were created based on natural law we would run off instincts not free will and choice.

Lastly I just want to know why some passages of the bible, especially the ones about homosexuality are kept in effect when ones in the same book say that stoning someone is ok.

I feel like a contradiction myself 😊 I’m pro gay and anti abortion.

And lastly if you totally oppose everything I said, watch Prayers for Bobby…great movie…heck watch it anyway. It will change your perspective on this.
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You commit a sin as soon as you think about sexual immorality.
This is what Jesus said and he is the one who can set you free
and also the one you have to face
when you do not overcome this challenge
 
Psalm 43:1
Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man.
 
Truth_Seeking said:
You commit a sin as soon as you think about sexual immorality.
This is what Jesus said and he is the one who can set you free
and also the one you have to face
when you do not overcome this challenge
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But a kiss or a hug or holding hands isn’t sexual…unless you are dating someone to get sex in which case is wrong and messed up for using a person. So if sex is the reason behind it it’s wrong? I can see that.
 
MrWizard said:
But a kiss or a hug or holding hands isn’t sexual…unless you are dating someone to get sex in which case is wrong and messed up for using a person. So if sex is the reason behind it it’s wrong? I can see that.
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Why does he want to kiss or hold hands with another man?
 
Truth_Seeking said:
Why does he want to kiss or hold hands with another man?
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Well it wouldn’t be seen as wrong if a heterosexual couple did it…I never thought about sex when I held hands, hugged, or kissed past girl friends. I’m just trying to understand if those things are considered sins and why for a homosexual couple.
 
MrWizard said:
Well it wouldn’t be seen as wrong if a heterosexual couple did it…I never thought about sex when I held hands, hugged, or kissed past girl friends. I’m just trying to understand if those things are considered sins and why for a homosexual couple.
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Were you thinking about men
when you were kissing and holding hands with your MANY girlfriends?
 
MrWizard said:
I’m a teenager. I just genuinely care about people close to me 🤷
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If you really love people then you want God’s will for them.

Sexual immorality is repugnant to the Lord
and those who engage in it will NOT spend eternity with Jesus!
 
Truth_Seeking said:
Were you thinking about men
when you were kissing and holding hands with your MANY girlfriends?
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Um no, I haven’t had that many girl friends. When I’m in a relationship it’s about that person and only them. Sure like anybody else I see guys I find attractive and girls I find attractive. It’s that simple. I could be hanging out with a girl friend and see a nice looking guy or girl…same for her…just because someone is in a relationship doesn’t mean they can’t be attracted to someone else…it’s what they do with that attraction that causes a problem.
 
MrWizard said:
Um no, I haven’t had that many girl friends. When I’m in a relationship it’s about that person and only them. Sure like anybody else I see guys I find attractive and girls I find attractive. It’s that simple. I could be hanging out with a girl friend and see a nice looking guy or girl…same for her…just because someone is in a relationship doesn’t mean they can’t be attracted to someone else…it’s what they do with that attraction that causes a problem.
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What do you mean by being in a relationship?
 
Truth_Seeking said:
To me being in a relationship means being sexually active.
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Oh there’s our disagreement. To me a relationship is having a boyfriend/girlfriend and a real one as in you really care about the other person and want the best for them. Although sex is present sometimes in these relationships.
 
MrWizard said:
Oh there’s our disagreement. To me a relationship is having a boyfriend/girlfriend and a real one as in you really care about the other person and want the best for them. Although sex is present sometimes in these relationships.
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Have you ever considered what Jesus, your maker, considers best for both you and your friends.

There is little point is seeking the opinions of other people
as some will agree and some will disagree

So you are really stuck with telling Jesus your problems
in your own words
You need to be brutally honest with Him
and wait for Him to answer
If you genuinely want to do his will
then he will answer you
If you feel that you want to do His will,
but are not so sure of being able to keep that resolution
then you need to tell Him that as well
 
Truth_Seeking said:
Have you ever considered what Jesus, your maker, considers best for both you and your friends.

There is little point is seeking the opinions of other people
as some will agree and some will disagree

So you are really stuck with telling Jesus your problems
in your own words
You need to be brutally honest with Him
and wait for Him to answer
If you genuinely want to do his will
then he will answer you
If you feel that you want to do His will,
but are not so sure of being able to keep that resolution
then you need to tell Him that as well
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Although I see your point…the Church is universal for a reason…we’re in it together…that’s why I love my youth group…it’s a ton of friends having fun and praising God, I already have my inner relationship with God down…I talk to him everyday…but I need other people to keep me going in my faith.

But that’s not the point of the thread…anyway…I just want to hear others opinions…simple as that. I’m trying to learn the other side of the argument. Because you can’t stand up for what you believe in when you don’t know what you’re against.
 
MrWizard said:
Ok so before the main topic a little about myself…I’ll be 15 in a few weeks, I’m pretty active in my youth group (not only attending but helping), I’ve been in Catholic school my whole life until this year (home schooling, but I plan on going to Catholic high school next year). For the most part I’m pretty normal for a teenage guy except…I’m bisexual. I’ve gone through a lot of depression over the fact and now I accept it. My parents found out (not what I was planning…) and well…it didn’t go so well. Out of all the people who know (about 11 not including them) they didn’t accept it. They are pretty devout Catholic but all the other people I told are Catholic as well…in fact no one really cared but them.

Ok so now some questions…I get the whole “sex outside of marriage is a sin” thing but what “homosexual acts” constitute as a sin? Example…If I were to date a guy would kissing or hugging or holding hands be constituted as a sin? Or would the fact I’d be dating a guy would be the sin? From my viewpoint since they are not sins for heterosexuals why would they be sins for a homosexual couple? But I’ll let you answer…I love hearing other people’s thoughts. By the way I’ve never dated a guy (only girls) but I might as well have the info handy.

Now marriage…homosexual couples can not produce a child therfore the relationship isn’t valid like a heterosexual one. However knowingly infertile AND older heterosexuals can get married but…they can’t produce children either. So in my opinion it’s a contradiction. Now I’m assuming some answers will be “natural law”…well humans were created by God as a superior being to all the other creatures on the planet…so in that case humans are not bound by nature in the same way…yet another contradiction. If humans were created based on natural law we would run off instincts not free will and choice.

Lastly I just want to know why some passages of the bible, especially the ones about homosexuality are kept in effect when ones in the same book say that stoning someone is ok.

I feel like a contradiction myself 😊 I’m pro gay and anti abortion.

And lastly if you totally oppose everything I said, watch Prayers for Bobby…great movie…heck watch it anyway. It will change your perspective on this.
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I thinl that you decided too fast that you were bisexual.
You made a mistake on telling others and on saying it in a so decisive manner.
You are not fully developped sexually and in maturity.
Look for help for there must be hidden problems in you inconscient.
It is not all to be active in your group. You must be balanced.
Christinity does not equal action for the sake of action.
Look for help to see what happened.
See your inside. Instead of action, go meditate. Action on inside of your soul not on the outsite.
In needed, PM to me.
 
Pfaffenhoffen said:
I thinl that you decided too fast that you were bisexual.
You made a mistake on telling others and on saying it in a so decisive manner.
You are not fully developped sexually and in maturity.
Look for help for there must be hidden problems in you inconscient.
It is not all to be active in your group. You must be balanced.
Christinity does not equal action for the sake of action.
Look for help to see what happened.
See your inside. Instead of action, go meditate. Action on inside of your soul not on the outsite.
In needed, PM to me.
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Do you know him better than he knows himself?
 
MrWizard said:
Although I see your point…the Church is universal for a reason…we’re in it together…that’s why I love my youth group…it’s a ton of friends having fun and praising God, I already have my inner relationship with God down…I talk to him everyday…but I need other people to keep me going in my faith.

But that’s not the point of the thread…anyway…I just want to hear others opinions…simple as that. I’m trying to learn the other side of the argument. Because you can’t stand up for what you believe in when you don’t know what you’re against.
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I agree that some people can be helpful

However faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of God in the scriptures
 
Pfaffenhoffen said:
I thinl that you decided too fast that you were bisexual.
You made a mistake on telling others and on saying it in a so decisive manner.
You are not fully developped sexually and in maturity.
Look for help for there must be hidden problems in you inconscient.
It is not all to be active in your group. You must be balanced.
Christinity does not equal action for the sake of action.
Look for help to see what happened.
See your inside. Instead of action, go meditate. Action on inside of your soul not on the outsite.
In needed, PM to me.
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I agree to an extent. I see sexuality as a spectrum…it can change over time. I may have rushed it but my friends really don’t care so in a way it’s no big deal. I spent 5 months in a dark place thinking about it. I’m happy knowing I don’t have to bottle things up anymore and I can be who I am. I still have challenges but now it’s easier. I’ve really thought this through.
 
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