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DJK100
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Hi Mr. Wizard,
I’ll through in my two cents for what it is worth.
"1954 Man participates in the wisdom and goodness of the Creator who gives him mastery over his acts and the ability to govern himself with a view to the true and the good. **The natural law expresses the original moral sense **which enables man to discern by reason the good and the evil, the truth and the lie:
The natural law is written and engraved in the soul of each and every man, because it is human reason ordaining him to do good and forbidding him to sin . . . But this command of human reason would not have the force of law if it were not the voice and interpreter of a higher reason to which our spirit and our freedom must be submitted.5 "
Since only man really has a moral self, this is what helps separate ourselves from the animals. We have a God given innate ability (seemingly most of us anyway) to know what is right and wrong. It this right and wrong “instinct” not animalist desires which is the moral law. You have the choice on wether to listen to and obey what is written in your heart or ignore it. It is not a primal urge like to breath or to eat. And again it is an excersize in free will.
Just to let you know, I do have many homosexual friends. They know my stance. I don’t condemn them because that is not my place. I try to do what God does Love the sinner hate the sin. And that can apply to all of us. That doesn’t mean that I have to curb my opinions on the matter though.
Hope this helps.
I’ll through in my two cents for what it is worth.
THis is a little bit of a loaded question and really stems from where you are coming from. Holding a guys hand in a nonsexual manner no, kissing a guy on the cheek in a nonsesual manner no those would not be sins – in some cases those are even cultural things that people do. However, when you move it to an amourous state where you have intention of the person of the same sex being your partner then I think you do cross the line over into sinning because at that point you are making your will and desires paramount to what Gods will has revealed to you. You are basically scoffing at God’s plan in the way that he ordered his creations. You may say but I was created that way and I would agree with you that is mostly true. However, Christianty is a religion of love but also of burden and suffering. God may be making this your “cross” to bear and how you respond to it becomes an excersize in your free will. Remember he asks for sacrfices from all of us including his own priests. Do you not think that it would be natural for most of the Latin Rite priest to also want to have familes and be married? Yet they choose to sacrifice their will to serve God. Could it be that your situation is not so different?
In my opinion I think you are missing the point. Yes the main purpose of getting married is to propagate life. But it is also an ordainded sacrament between a man and a woman. However, infertility does not void a marriage because the couple is still open to life. Meaning that however improbable the odds of conception may be, a man and a women can still potentially produce life. However, with a homosexual couple that can never be the case unless by completely unnatural means. Therefore there is no contradiction.
Here I don’t think you have quite and understanding of what natural law is. Natural law is not innate animal instincts. For instance here is how the CCC puts it
"1954 Man participates in the wisdom and goodness of the Creator who gives him mastery over his acts and the ability to govern himself with a view to the true and the good. **The natural law expresses the original moral sense **which enables man to discern by reason the good and the evil, the truth and the lie:
The natural law is written and engraved in the soul of each and every man, because it is human reason ordaining him to do good and forbidding him to sin . . . But this command of human reason would not have the force of law if it were not the voice and interpreter of a higher reason to which our spirit and our freedom must be submitted.5 "
Since only man really has a moral self, this is what helps separate ourselves from the animals. We have a God given innate ability (seemingly most of us anyway) to know what is right and wrong. It this right and wrong “instinct” not animalist desires which is the moral law. You have the choice on wether to listen to and obey what is written in your heart or ignore it. It is not a primal urge like to breath or to eat. And again it is an excersize in free will.
I am not an apologist so I can only tell you my opinion but I think it is really more of the times that were being lived in. Things like that were either used by God for a purpose or misused by man for their own end ( I think option two) and in anycase have outlived whatever purpose they were meant for. As such they are subject to change, although have they really when you consider we still have capital punishment in the form of Gas Chambers and electric chairs. However divinly revealed laws such as the stance on homosexuality will never be able to be changed asit is the revealed will of God.
Just to let you know, I do have many homosexual friends. They know my stance. I don’t condemn them because that is not my place. I try to do what God does Love the sinner hate the sin. And that can apply to all of us. That doesn’t mean that I have to curb my opinions on the matter though.
Hope this helps.