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gracepoole said:
Not really. If you Google it, you’ll find loads of Bernie supporters who claim they won’t vote for HRC. To understand their thinking, you have to understand why they support Bernie. HRC espouses the opposite values in many respects.
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The real question is will they bother to vote. They certainly aren’t going to vote for Ted Cruz.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
The real question is will they bother to vote. They certainly aren’t going to vote for Ted Cruz.
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It’s a good question. However, in the end, the prospect of a Ted Cruz as President might make the difference and bring out the Democratic vote for Hillary Clinton among Bernie Sanders supporters. Donald Trump may have a similar effect but he is, in a mysterious way, more appealing–and entertaining–to some Democrats, perhaps due to their not taking his proposals so seriously.
 
meltzerboy said:
It’s a good question. However, in the end, the prospect of a Ted Cruz as President might make the difference and bring out the Democratic vote for Hillary Clinton among Bernie Sanders supporters. Donald Trump may have a similar effect but he is, in a mysterious way, more appealing–and entertaining–to some Democrats, perhaps due to their not taking his proposals so seriously.
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I’m not sure of that. My guess (whatever it’s worth) is that if any Democrats vote for Trump it will be because they’re angry at having negative growth in their standard of living and have grown tired of one country after another being handed over to terrorists and invited here.

I have no idea how many that will be.
 
meltzerboy said:
It’s a good question. However, in the end, the prospect of a Ted Cruz as President might make the difference and bring out the Democratic vote for Hillary Clinton among Bernie Sanders supporters. Donald Trump may have a similar effect but he is, in a mysterious way, more appealing–and entertaining–to some Democrats, perhaps due to their not taking his proposals so seriously.
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I agree with everything you have said here. As a Democrat, I will do anything to stop Ted Cruz from entering the Oval Office. I would vote for Trump over Cruz in a heartbeat if those were my only two choices.

I think many Dems see Trump as liberal and that is because he is, IMHO, liberal! Not necessarily liberal ‘politically,’ but socially and in demeanor. As you inferred, Trump’s populistic drumbeat finds a home in the hearts of Conservatives and Liberals.

Of course, I am a Hillary supporter and I actually think Trump stands a better chance of beating Hillary in the general than Cruz. But still, if worse came to worse, I would rather endure four years of Donald “What-the-Heck-is-He-Going-to-do-Next” Trump than four years of Ted “I-Know-Exactly-What-He’s-Going-to-Do Next-and-It-Makes-Me-Throw-Up-in-My-Mouth” Cruz.

God Bles America! 👍
 
Little_Sheep said:
I agree with everything you have said here. As a Democrat, I will do anything to stop Ted Cruz from entering the Oval Office. I would vote for Trump over Cruz in a heartbeat if those were my only two choices.

I think many Dems see Trump as liberal and that is because he is, IMHO, liberal! Not necessarily liberal ‘politically,’ but socially and in demeanor. As you inferred, Trump’s populistic drumbeat finds a home in the hearts of Conservatives and Liberals.

Of course, I am a Hillary supporter and I actually think Trump stands a better chance of beating Hillary in the general than Cruz. But still, if worse came to worse, I would rather endure four years of Donald “What-the-Heck-is-He-Going-to-do-Next” Trump than four years of Ted “I-Know-Exactly-What-He’s-Going-to-Do Next-and-It-Makes-Me-Throw-Up-in-My-Mouth” Cruz.

God Bles America! 👍
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I think this just about sums up the attitude of many liberal Democrats, and it is also why Trump might, just might, defeat Hillary in the general election, that is, provided he is the nominee.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’m not sure of that. My guess (whatever it’s worth) is that if any Democrats vote for Trump it will be because they’re angry at having negative growth in their standard of living and have grown tired of one country after another being handed over to terrorists and invited here.

I have no idea how many that will be.
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Next to none, I think. If any Bernie supporters vote for Trump, it will be because they see both of these candidates as “anti-establishment.”
 
Little_Sheep said:
But still, if worse came to worse, I would rather endure four years of Donald “What-the-Heck-is-He-Going-to-do-Next” Trump than four years of Ted “I-Know-Exactly-What-He’s-Going-to-Do Next-and-It-Makes-Me-Throw-Up-in-My-Mouth” Cruz.
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LOL. Well said.
 
Among the many Bernie supporters I know (which is, of course, no accurate sample), most will vote for Hillary in the end. One even said he would do so while “holding his nose.” Those who won’t are planning to vote for Jill Stein. I don’t know any who won’t vote (though I’m certain they do exist). One friend was initially going to vote Trump if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination (to, as he said, “burn this mutha down” and expedite a full-blown revolution). He’s since swung to Stein.

For what it’s worth, all of the Hillary supporters I know would have easily and happily voted for Bernie in the general.
 
meltzerboy said:
I think this just about sums up the attitude of many liberal Democrats, and it is also why Trump might, just might, defeat Hillary in the general election, that is, provided he is the nominee.
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He is a wild card, to be sure, MB. But I believe to the bottom of my heart that HRC and the Democrat Party will be able to accomplish what the Republicans can’t (i.e… Taking out Donald Trump)
 
gracepoole said:
Among the many Bernie supporters I know (which is, of course, no accurate sample), most will vote for Hillary in the end. One even said he would do so while “holding his nose.” Those who won’t are planning to vote for Jill Stein. I don’t know any who won’t vote (though I’m certain they do exist). One friend was initially going to vote Trump if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination (to, as he said, “burn this mutha down” and expedite a full-blown revolution). He’s since swung to Stein.

For what it’s worth, all of the Hillary supporters I know would have easily and happily voted for Bernie in the general.
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I like Jill Stein as well, but she has no chance to win this year. One day, I hope. I would like to see more parties led by passionate, honest people.
 
gracepoole said:
Among the many Bernie supporters I know (which is, of course, no accurate sample), most will vote for Hillary in the end. One even said he would do so while “holding his nose.” Those who won’t are planning to vote for Jill Stein. I don’t know any who won’t vote (though I’m certain they do exist). One friend was initially going to vote Trump if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination (to, as he said, “burn this mutha down” and expedite a full-blown revolution). He’s since swung to Stein.

For what it’s worth, all of the Hillary supporters I know would have easily and happily voted for Bernie in the general.
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Who is Jill Stein? I never even heard of her.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Oh, I don’t think so at all. Bernie people will absolutely vote for Hillary because both candidates support the only real Democrat policy; abortion on demand. Everything else is secondary.

Never mind that Hillary Clinton was on Walmart’s board. Never mind that she aided Russian (therefore Iranian) control over America’s uranium, for money paid to Bill and their foundation. Never mind that she midwifed a terrorist takeover in Libya and (for awhile) in Egypt. She supports abortion on demand. And that’s enough. Being a Democrat is morally demanding. I know. That’s why I left the party.
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I thought Democrats only gad one policy - abortion. That makes your second paragraph superfluous.
 
Little_Sheep said:
As someone who lived through the Clinton “scandals” in real time, I’ll refrain from engaging with them again. I’m sure they’ll all be trotted out ad nauseum soon enough and I’m happy for individual voters to draw their own conclusions.

Suffice it to say, all the sustained firepower in the world hasn’t taken the Clintons down. Bill is remembered fondly and positively despite his peccadilloes.

Are the Clintons perfect? Hardly. Is Hillary Clinton the best choice to lead our nation for the next 4+ years? Undoubtedly.

If the Republicans had an actual decent candidate with good ideas to lean on in 2016, they surely would do that. But they don’t, so the fall-back position is to throw stones at the Democrat candidate.
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Little_Sheep said:
Is Hillary Clinton the best choice to lead our nation for the next 4+ years? Undoubtedly.
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Yes it is true that Hillary is undoubtedly the perfect choice for those who want to expand the right to murder unborn children, for those who support same sex marriage, and for those who demand that religious beliefs be changed to support what Hillary and Bill think they should be. ““And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.”
 
meltzerboy said:
I think this just about sums up the attitude of many liberal Democrats, and it is also why Trump might, just might, defeat Hillary in the general election, that is, provided he is the nominee.
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I still don’t think Trump will be the Republican nominee. His path to 1,237 is going to be very, very difficult. He’ll have to wrest Indiana from Ted Cruz and convince all of Pennsylvania’s 50 unbound delegates to vote for him. Then, he’ll need to win California.

He’s upset so many - women, African Americans, Muslim Americans, Hispanics, immigrants, etc. that only angry white males are left to support him. Hillary has a very broad base.

I don’t believe much of what Beck says, but:

politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/apr/10/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-ted-cruz-supporter-says-hillary-clinton/

And, more realistically:

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

It would be interesting watching a Trump/Hillary debate, though, especially when the subject is foreign policy!
 
Tomdstone said:
Yes it is true that Hillary is undoubtedly the perfect choice for those who want to expand the right to murder unborn children, for those who support same sex marriage, and for those who demand that religious beliefs be changed to support what Hillary and Bill think they should be. ““And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.”
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And expanding the welfare system instead of helping people learn to help themselves, a lost art at this time in history. It is a basic instinct of man to want to provide for himself and we have gradually taken that away. When you have 47% of the people paying no income taxes, how can we keep up paying out when funds to cover that are not coming in. I hear nothing from the Dems except spend more. Do they think there is no bottom to the well?
 
Little_Sheep said:
Vote your conscience!
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Before you do that, FORM your conscience! Form it by the teachings of the Church. And if your conscience tells you that you can vote for Clinton or Sanders, your conscience is malformed and needs to be formed to the teachings of the Church.
 
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