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Peccavi
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Jesus said judge not less you be judged. Too much judgemental rhetoric on this Forum does put off potential converts. It would me if I were not committed to the early Church in Jerusalem led by James.
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Lily_Bernans
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Exactly, Sy.
Actually, since they both agree on the issue, they almost never debate abortion. It’s the 9,999,999 other things they talk about.
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DeniseNY
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They attribute the absurd accusation of women being jailed to Republicans, and then the conversation becomes one of trying to defend against a position none really hold. Someone said it earlier - it’s the old “when did you stop beating your wife”.
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Lily_Bernans
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I think it’s just the opposite. The abortion issue invigorates the Repubs. The Democrats are discussing other issues.
Why should child killers not be jailed? No one’s ever given an answer to that question, I guess because they don’t have one, which is okay.
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mary_bobo
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Democrats have said all kinds of things that Republicans would do that are so outrageous that it is hard to believe that people fall for it. Abortion is the one thing that Dems insist on and they are supported by those individuals and groups who agree. As some may say, Dems do talk about other things. Republicans do also. On this forum it seems that most of those who are pro-life are Republicans. I may be wrong. Republicans are for many things other than being pro-life in their platform. I don’t hear the candidates dwell on being pro-life but most of them mentioned it in the debates. People who are ardently Democratic do not listen to any voice that disagrees and if they do listen, they put their own interpretation on what is said. I say pox on both their houses.
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Peter_J
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It’s much the same when there’s a discussion between those who are “pro-birth” (not that I like being called that, as it’s almost always a prelude to an attack) and those who aren’t: both sides already agree that a newborn should go on to have a first birthday, and a one year old should go on to have a second birthday … So we don’t usually argue with each other about those agreed upon points but rather about abortion since we disagree on it.
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Peter_J
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Then perhaps you should be voting for Donald Trump.Why should child killers not be jailed? No one’s ever given an answer to that question, I guess because they don’t have one, which is okay.
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Lily_Bernans
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I considered it for about one day. I’ve considered all the candidates.
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zz912
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Look to the Catechism. It tells you point blank that you need to FORM your conscience to the teachings of the Church. If your conscience tells you to violate a teaching of the Church, your conscience is improperly formed and deficient.
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zz912
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Anyone who believes it is okay to kill babies, or supports people who believes such, is morally deficient and should not be elected City Dog Catcher, much less a position with real authority or power.
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zz912
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Jesus and the Apostles also said to use right judgment, and to judge good and evil. One needs to look to ALL of the teachings of Jesus, not just the ones convenient.
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zz912
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This is a lie, because it has been answered several times, directly to you, which you have responded to.Why should child killers not be jailed? No one’s ever given an answer to that question, I guess because they don’t have one, which is okay.
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Lily_Bernans
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I don’t think so, or you’d be pointing it out.
If you mean the old “she was coerced” argument, that won’t work. Surely not every person who has an abortion is coerced.
I know they aren’t. I know people who’ve had them for purely selfish means, the latest being a law school student who said a child would be “inconvenient” for her at this time.
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rmartensjr
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Quite the contrary… this has been asked and answered repeatedly. If you’ve forgotten, your relative Fr. Frank Pavone explains that in detail on his website. Look it up AND THEN STOP ASKING.Why should child killers not be jailed? No one’s ever given an answer to that question, I guess because they don’t have one, which is okay.
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Lily_Bernans
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Maybe, but I don’t think so. And no one answered Little Sheep, so I assumed no one had an answer.
I don’t get email alerts cluttering my Inbox, turned those off, so I may have missed an answer, but I don’t think so.
Please refrain from telling me what to do. As long as it is not against forum rules, I will ask what I want to ask.
I do not believe it has been answered except for the straw man “coercion” argument, which is really no argument at all.
Okay, you don’t have an answer. I accept that.
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Lily_Bernans
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Lily Bernans;13844410:
Thank you for this intelligent and well thought out post, and for your understanding.But if I weren’t Catholic and came to this forum, I would not want to be Catholic. I would run in the other direction.
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I know I’ll get berated for this because I have the cheek to comment as a non-American on this political thread. But although I am a Catholic, the CAF political threads, or rather, the comments by a number of posters, tend to make me puzzled about the nature of American Catholicism, and wonder if this is what Catholics SHOULD be like.
It’s not that I am liberal or pro-abortion - far from it. It’s the harshness that I pick up on that kind of repels me.
I don’t want to be judgemental - I’m just saying I’m puzzled more than anything. Then I ask myself if I’m masochistic even looking into the “political” forum
I guess because the US is so big and powerful that it’s inevitable that political electioneering will be nasty and cut-throat. What candidates say to and about one another appals me. Some of what their supporters say appals me.
I generally stop visiting CAF at all for a couple of years at a time after looking in every electoral cycle just to see who people are supporting (out of curiosity)!
There are other forums of course that I visit, but in many of them also I come across a kind of harsh and judgemental flavour that seems a bit un-Catholic to me. (Hear me being judgemental myself!)
Cultural differences are inevitable, but by and large I just have to accept that CAF really stands for “Catholic (American) Forums”.
Lily, I have to say I relate to you and a couple of others very closely!
And on the topic of Hillary Clinton, which I have strayed from, I can only say, she’s probably got what it takes better than anyone else as regards foreign affairs, which is hugely important. There are no doubt better people (I’d be a Sanders supporter) but they stand less chance, and Trump is toxic.
I agree. Although I don’t agree with everything she says, I think Hillary Clinton is the person who would help the US the most and is the most qualified to be president. I actually am a Sanders supporter since I find him the most honest and sincere, and since his policies resonate with me, but I think Hillary is certainly going to win the nomination, so I feel myself gravitating toward her more and more. I also agree that Trump is toxic, and I believe Cruz is divisive, even within his own party. Kasich just doesn’t have what it takes, though he’s not a bad person.
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grotto
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Just had to laugh again at Hillary - the topic of the moment is the wealth of Trump or Clinton. So who is false about presenting themselves?
Trump says he borrowed a million from his wealthy father, and borrowed called for paying it back as he went on to be extremely wealthy. Hard work was the way his father became wealthy and it has been his inherited good business sense.
Hillary says when she and Bill left the White House, they were “dead broke and in debt”!
Where is that lie meter? Oh, it broke after Hillary’s whopper!
Maybe Trump should refer to her as “Whopper” Hillary!
Trump says he borrowed a million from his wealthy father, and borrowed called for paying it back as he went on to be extremely wealthy. Hard work was the way his father became wealthy and it has been his inherited good business sense.
Hillary says when she and Bill left the White House, they were “dead broke and in debt”!
Where is that lie meter? Oh, it broke after Hillary’s whopper!
Maybe Trump should refer to her as “Whopper” Hillary!
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rmartensjr
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Your relative does… LOOK IT UP!!!Okay, you don’t have an answer. I accept that.
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