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Crossbones said:
It is not the position of the Church that women who abort their children not be tried as murderers.
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You are totally free to support the incarceration of women as murderers.
You are totally free to hold that position and support Hillary Clinton too, as inane as that might be.

As for the Church, what they do support is programs such as Project Rachel.

The Catholic Church is not about putting women in chains. It is about evangelization, and transforming the culture into one where the idea of abortion would be unthinkable.
 
Darryl1958 said:
You are totally free to support the incarceration of women as murderers.
You are totally free to hold that position and support Hillary Clinton too, as inane as that might be.

As for the Church, what they do support is programs such as Project Rachel.

The Catholic Church is not about putting women in chains. It is about evangelization, and transforming the culture into one where the idea of abortion would be unthinkable.
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The Church holds no position on the civil punishment of women who procure an illegal abortion that I know of. Please provide a citation to your position that it does.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Of course the question arises, but not all faiths are in agreement on the issue.
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What religion teaches that if a baby is partially born, with the head and limbs outside the womb, except that the umbilical cord is not yet cut, what religion teaches that it is OK to take a knife and cut out the brains and murder that child? How can a Catholic vote in good conscience for a woman for president who wants to change religious beliefs to accommodate her support for things like that?
 
Crossbones said:
The Church holds no position on the civil punishment of women who procure an illegal abortion that I know of. Please provide a citation to your position that it does.
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Since I did not make the claim that the Church holds such a position, why would anyone reading my posts want to request such a citation from me?

What I did was show you what the Catholic Church does overtly support in terms of women who abort, and that is Project Rachel.

You are free to join in that effort, or to continue the effort taken by certain Democrats and libertarians here and advocate for punishing women who abort for murder. The Church will not censure you for doing so.

But, as Project Rachel demonstrates, the efforts of the Church certainly have not been to punish women who abort as murderers. The Church has always been a little more sensitive to cultural realities than to actually advocate for such civil punishments against women.

Gosh, leftists and the party of pro-choice already attack the Church as waging a war on women for the stance it does take on abortion. How much more so if the Church actually took the position that women who abort are the equivalent of hit men and need to be punished as such?
Be that as it may, even if the Church does not advocate civil punishment for women who abort, you are free to continue to do so.

And I am free to not join the Democrats and libertarians here who are advocating for such punishments against women.

And I have given my reasons why. People are free to continue to irgnore the fact that people have given such reasons too.
 
Tomdstone said:
What religion teaches that if a baby is partially born, with the head and limbs outside the womb, except that the umbilical cord is not yet cut, what religion teaches that it is OK to take a knife and cut out the brains and murder that child? How can a Catholic vote in good conscience for a woman for president who wants to change religious beliefs to accommodate her support for things like that?
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Satanism maybe?

Secular leftism has its religious dimensions too, and this is the kind of religion that secular leftism advocates.
 
estesbob said:
I was thinking Baal
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When compared to the scale of the modern slaughter of the unborn, even Baal has to sit up and take notes.

Sacrificing children to the fires of Moloch was an evil enough ritual, but in terms of real numbers it had no effect on actual demographics.
When a third of all potential births are being destroyed through abortion, darker deities than either Baal or Moloch are involved. These would be the spiritual forces that reign supreme in modern day secularism that opposes traditional Christian morality and the religious right as its main opponent

And I do agree with Robert George that this secularism is as much an orthodoxy and a dogma as it is anything else.
 
Tomdstone said:
What religion teaches that if a baby is partially born, with the head and limbs outside the womb, except that the umbilical cord is not yet cut, what religion teaches that it is OK to take a knife and cut out the brains and murder that child? How can a Catholic vote in good conscience for a woman for president who wants to change religious beliefs to accommodate her support for things like that?
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pewforum.org/2013/01/16/religious-groups-official-positions-on-abortion/

Specifically in regard to PBA, I found this:

“The United Church of Christ (UCC) has strongly supported the legalization of abortion since 1971. The UCC supported FOCA and strongly opposed the PBA ban to the point of joining the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARRAL) in a statement affirming President Clinton’s veto of the PBA Ban Act in 1996. The UCC has also called for the church to support abortion in any national health care bill.”

pregnantpause.org/people/wherchur.htm

And this:

"WHEREAS on June 4, 2003, the House passed a federal ban on so-called “partial-birth abortion,” the Senate has approved a similar ban, and President Bush has promised to sign the new version of the bill; and WHEREAS this is only the latest effort in the Bush Administration’s attempts to erode gains women have made in recent decades, attempts which include…

uua.org/statements/women%E2%80%99s-rights

Hope these links are helpful in understanding various views on the abortion issue among faiths groups.
 
Churches that lean to the left have no problem with hacking the brains out of partially born children for sure.

This is according to the dogma of the secular left, which directs the policies of many churches that adhere to leftist orthodoxy.
 
It is sad that any religious group would support abortion, let alone partial birth abortion. To me it is a sign of a conscience turned seriously wrong or simply beaten down and ignored. That we have presidential candidates who support this barbarity is indicative of the level to which the nation has fallen.
 
JimG said:
It is sad that any religious group would support abortion, let alone partial birth abortion. To me it is a sign of a conscience turned seriously wrong or simply beaten down and ignored. That we have presidential candidates who support this barbarity is indicative of the level to which the nation has fallen.
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It is not just America. It is the whole of humanity that has descended into the dark spiritual moral abyss of seeing abortion as the solution for life’s travails.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Churches that lean to the left have no problem with hacking the brains out of partially born children for sure.

This is according to the dogma of the secular left, which directs the policies of many churches that adhere to leftist orthodoxy.
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Which churches?
 
I think Hillary will win every state on Tuesday, but I could be wrong, of course. Oh, Sanders might get Connecticut and Rhode Island!
 
Darryl1958 said:
It is not just America. It is the whole of humanity that has descended into the dark spiritual moral abyss of seeing abortion as the solution for life’s travails.
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First the slippery slope for Europe, Canada, America, Russia, and after all this time - abortion has revealed exactly where it comes from and what it does. :eek:
Countries in Europe for example, have been loosing their population, lowering to alarming levels. Their historical and cultural way of life is disappearing.

Perhaps those who wish to continue and bring others with them on their ruinous journey, will be stopped - one way or another. Those who blindly go along may get their eyes opened and at least see what they are missing. They will die alone, none to care for them, nobody to mourn their absence. The abyss they cannot avoid.

Other doctors, nurses, inventors, teachers, scientists, builders, (butchers, bakers and candy stick makers) - not among the living - the price of disobeying God. Mother Theresa said to women who live without God’s Love, give the child to me and I will love them.

Hilary’s desire to command and control must not be allowed to happen. She is unfit.

Just a few thoughts to continue posting, talking with others, one step and then another.
 
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