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Interestingly, during all of the debates between Hillary and Bernie, abortion has barely been mentioned. It certainly isn’t the central issue to the candidates and most people in the Democratic party. The domestic economy and foreign affairs (including combating terrorism) are probably #1 and #2 on the list of most important issues.

I understand why abortion is the most important issue to some Catholic voters, but it’s not valid to say that it is the most important issue to the Democratic Party. It just isn’t.
Well, let a pro-life Democrat, (of which there are a very few) attempt or even ask to give a pro-life talk at the Democratic Convention, and it will soon be apparent how important the issue is to the party. Governor Casey discovered this in 1992. No significant pro-life position will ever be allowed.
 
The religious beliefs thing has been put to rest by me and several other posters. Hillary Clinton was talking about patriarchal societies and religions that force women into a subservient position. Or perhaps you think women should be denied the vote, education, jobs, etc.
Catholics do teach that women “should be denied” the priesthood. “Should be denied” may not be the proper phrase, but Catholicism teaches that women cannot be ordained as priests. Does that religious belief have to be changed by Hillary or are the feminists OK with it?
 
Hillary doesn’t support late term abortions unless the mother’s life or health is in danger.

You do realize, don’t you, that health was so broadly defined by SCOTUS that any reason is included under health. If you have any question about this, check with your relative, Fr. Frank Pavone.
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I agree. Health is so broad as to apply to mental anguish, health of your bank account, whether or not your tummy with go back to its original size, and the like.

Astonishing again we can’t unite on something as simple as partial birth abortion regardless of candidate (even one we purported to not support or would vote for…:rolleyes:)
Interestingly, during all of the debates between Hillary and Bernie, abortion has barely been mentioned. It certainly isn’t the central issue to the candidates and most people in the Democratic party. The domestic economy and foreign affairs (including combating terrorism) are probably #1 and #2 on the list of most important issues.

I understand why abortion is the most important issue to some Catholic voters, but it’s not valid to say that it is the most important issue to the Democratic Party. It just isn’t.
I’d say it is.

We are always told abortion is not a top-five issue for most folks in America.

Yet threaten abortion rights from the right, and there is no greater rallying cry for the left. The vitriol and passion makes it number one. Anecdotally, I have heard numerous folks who would never support a candidate because of their stance on abortion or women’s “health” issues. They never even consider anything else the candidate stands for.

Abortion isn’t an important issue to the left as long as no one brings it up. But try pledging to nominate USSC nominees who will overturn Roe v Wade, or pledge to defund planned parenthood and see how many folks on the left write you off entirely.
 
Partial birth abortion is never required. Essentially the baby is essentially born then subsequently murdered seconds before taking its first breath. Anyone who condones this practice for even the rarest of reasons isn’t fooling me
But Hillary says that religious beliefs have to be changed. She said that after declaring that too many women are denied access to “reproductive health care”.
 
Yep, God bless her, but you are correct that to dodge the never-ending assault of bullets, HRC almost has to behave even more ethical than anyone else is expected to be. Where was venom towards Powell or Rice about their unsecured email communications?..where were the Congressional hearings when 200 Marines were killed in Beirut during Reagan’s Presidency when there was ample evidence that the area was unsafe?

Such nonsense makes me shake my head and :roll eyes:

I’m almost 50 years old, so I have known Hillary as a public servant for most of my adult life. I have investigated every allegation against her and Bill both. My efforts have brought me to the conclusion that if you repeat misinformation long enough and loudly enough, said misinformation will leave a residue, especially if it is presented to someone who wants it to be true. Such nonsense.

Hillary Clinton ( like every other human running for the highest office of our country) is in no way, shape or form a perfect person or a perfect candidate. That said, there is no one I trust more this year to lead our nation. And I can easily double down on that opinion when I take a gander at what the Republican Party offers to me in terms of a President.
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Well, let a pro-life Democrat, (of which there are a very few) attempt or even ask to give a pro-life talk at the Democratic Convention, and it will soon be apparent how important the issue is to the party. Governor Casey discovered this in 1992. No significant pro-life position will ever be allowed.
I don’t think it is abortion rights per se that is the major issue for most Democrats, but rather women’s rights, which includes a woman’s right to choose. Thus when the latter is threatened, this is seen as an attempt to restrict women from making their own choices, one of which is to decide whether they want to bring their baby to term. This choice is seen by many Democrats as personal and private, meaning that no one–government or religion–should determine the answer, except the woman herself in consultation with her family, her physician, and her spiritual advisor if she has one. Women’s rights are the key issue here.
 
But Hillary says that religious beliefs have to be changed. She said that after declaring that too many women are denied access to “reproductive health care”.
She’s talking about patriarchal societies in which women have no say, no rights. She isn’t referring to abortion. Links to the audio of her speech have been posted as well as a transcript.
 
I don’t think it is abortion rights per se that is the major issue for most Democrats, but rather women’s rights, which includes a woman’s right to choose. Thus when the latter is threatened, this is seen as an attempt to restrict women from making their own choices, one of which is to decide whether they want to bring their baby to term. This choice is seen by many Democrats as personal and private, meaning that no one–government or religion–should determine the answer, except the woman herself in consultation with her family, her physician, and her spiritual advisor if she has one. Women’s rights are the key issue here.
I think you’re exactly right. Here is what Hillary was asked and responded:

Q: Do you believe personally that life begins at conception?

A: I believe that the potential for life begins at conception. I am a Methodist, as you know. My church has struggled with this issue. In fact, you can look at the Methodist Book of Discipline and see the contradiction and the challenge of trying to sort that very profound question out.

But for me, it is also not only about a potential life; it is about the other lives involved. And, therefore, I have concluded, after great concern and searching my own mind and heart over many years, that our task should be in this pluralistic, diverse life of ours in this nation that individuals must be entrusted to make this profound decision, because the alternative would be such an intrusion of government authority that it would be very difficult to sustain in our kind of open society. And as some of you’ve heard me discuss before, I think abortion should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and rare.

I have met thousands and thousands of pro-choice men and women. I have never met anyone who is pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is trusting the individual to make the right decision for herself and her family, and not entrusting that decision to anyone wearing the authority of government in any regard.

ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm
 
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I agree. Health is so broad as to apply to mental anguish, health of your bank account, whether or not your tummy with go back to its original size, and the like.

Astonishing again we can’t unite on something as simple as partial birth abortion regardless of candidate (even one we purported to not support or would vote for…:rolleyes:)

I’d say it is.

We are always told abortion is not a top-five issue for most folks in America.

Yet threaten abortion rights from the right, and there is no greater rallying cry for the left. The vitriol and passion makes it number one. Anecdotally, I have heard numerous folks who would never support a candidate because of their stance on abortion or women’s “health” issues. They never even consider anything else the candidate stands for.

Abortion isn’t an important issue to the left as long as no one brings it up. But try pledging to nominate USSC nominees who will overturn Roe v Wade, or pledge to defund planned parenthood and see how many folks on the left write you off entirely.
good points!
 
I think you’re exactly right. Here is what Hillary was asked and responded:

Q: Do you believe personally that life begins at conception?

A: I believe that the potential for life begins at conception. I am a Methodist, as you know. My church has struggled with this issue. In fact, you can look at the Methodist Book of Discipline and see the contradiction and the challenge of trying to sort that very profound question out.

But for me, it is also not only about a potential life; it is about the other lives involved. And, therefore, I have concluded, after great concern and searching my own mind and heart over many years, that our task should be in this pluralistic, diverse life of ours in this nation that individuals must be entrusted to make this profound decision, because the alternative would be such an intrusion of government authority that it would be very difficult to sustain in our kind of open society. And as some of you’ve heard me discuss before, I think abortion should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and rare.

I have met thousands and thousands of pro-choice men and women. I have never met anyone who is pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is trusting the individual to make the right decision for herself and her family, and not entrusting that decision to anyone wearing the authority of government in any regard.

ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm
I agree with Hillary on this issue.
 
Hillary doesn’t support late term abortions unless the mother’s life or health is in danger.

You do realize, don’t you, that health was so broadly defined by SCOTUS that any reason is included under health. If you have any question about this, check with your relative, Fr. Frank Pavone.
Again, I have to remind you that it was a Republican appointed Supreme Court who made that legal. You cannot blame that on the Democrats. If Republicans wouldn’t have upheld Roe v Wade, we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place.

That is something the Republicans have to take responsibility for.
 
Again, I have to remind you that it was a Republican appointed Supreme Court who made that legal. You cannot blame that on the Democrats. If Republicans wouldn’t have upheld Roe v Wade, we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place.

That is something the Republicans have to take responsibility for.
Could you remind us which party has opposition to any and all restrictions on abortion as part of their published statement of principles?
 
Could you remind us which party has opposition to any and all restrictions on abortion as part of their published statement of principles?
If you can remind us which party appointed the justices that upheld Roe v Wade?
 
If you can remind us if one is voting for pro-abortion candidates or not.
No one is “pro-abortion.” Some people are pro-choice.

Hillary’s words:

“I have met thousands and thousands of pro-choice men and women. I have never met anyone who is pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is trusting the individual to make the right decision for herself and her family, and not entrusting that decision to anyone wearing the authority of government in any regard.”

She is pro-choice, even though she said she, herself, were she of childbearing years, would not have an abortion. Hillary speaks for herself, but she is a Democrat.

Now, you can answer.
 
No one is “pro-abortion.” Some people are pro-choice.
I think the recent veto from the Democratic Governor of West Virginia on dismemberment abortions which was overrode by the W. Va. legislature; shows such terms of being pro-choice or pro-abortion is merely semantics.
 
I think the recent veto from the Democratic Governor of West Virginia on dismemberment abortions which was overrode by the W. Va. legislature; shows such terms of being pro-choice or pro-abortion is merely semantics.
You still didn’t answer which party appointed the justices who upheld Roe v Wade?
 
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