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Jeanne_S
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Exactly!
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stevegravy
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Special prosecutor law worked well in the past nailing Washington low lives.
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Jeanne_S
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No,but I will check it out,thanks!
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stevegravy
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This is Shillary thread you need to post it on the Trump thread.
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AFerri48
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I’m just going to say it. Hillary may make a pretty bad president if she wins, but she will be great compared to Barack Obama.
Worst commander-in-chief ever.
Worst commander-in-chief ever.
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stevegravy
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Just think of the shakedown racquet she will be able to run. How much do you think they will pay her for a speech when that happens?
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Monkey1976
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Historically, there have always been personal, private, and diverse religious (and philosophical) viewpoints regarding who is or is not a person. Do we respect those differences by deciding that personhood should be construed in a way that matches the narrowest of those viewpoints, or do we respect those differences by recognizing the broadest possible definition of personhood?
It’s the difference between what a religion permits and what it requires. The Catholic faith permits the consumption of alcohol, but it’s not violating our faith to have dry counties where alcohol isn’t sold for personal use. Some varieties of Islam permit a man to have multiple wives, but is it a violation of that belief to only allow one legal wife? As you’ve pointed out, some branches of Judaism allow for early-term abortion. Does it violate your faith to construe personhood more broadly when it comes to the law?
In the 19th century - and even today - there are some Protestant branches that don’t see people with discernible African ancestry as persons. Should we repeal the 14th Amendment so as to accomodate their belief, or should we continue to construe personhood in the broadest possible sense?
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Tomdstone
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Hillary Clinton has defended partial birth abortions. lifenews.com/2016/02/16/hillary-clinton-defends-partial-birth-abortions-happy-bill-clinton-vetoed-bill-to-ban-them/
Now when a child is ready to be born, does Judaism believe it is OK to take a knife and stab the child in the head since her umbilical cord hasn’t been cut yet?
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Lily_Bernans
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Kenneth Starr?
Here is a list of federal politicians who have been convicted of crimes. There is a mix of Democrats and Republicans:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes
I know it’s Wikipedia, but I checked it other places. Wikipedia is the only place where I could find all the names, yet 90% of corporations convicted of criminal activity are Republican:
truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/study-90-of-criminal-corporations-are-republican
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Lily_Bernans
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Actually, she hasn’t, and I’ve posted the link in which she says she is against them.
I did not copy the rest of your post. Suffice to say, it’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen on these boards, and if I"m banned for saying that, so be it. I don’t know why you would attack a polite poster like that, one who is nice to everyone. He wasn’t even defending Clinton.
CLINTON: “My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.”
ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm
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Tomdstone
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I am not attacking anyone. I was simply asking the question as to whether or not partial birth abortion is allowed in certain religions.
I think that Hillary has indicated that she would permit partial birth abortions under certain conditions.
lifenews.com/2016/02/16/hillary-clinton-defends-partial-birth-abortions-happy-bill-clinton-vetoed-bill-to-ban-them/
charismanews.com/politics/issues/51377-hillary-clinton-defended-gruesome-partial-birth-abortion-as-a-fundamental-right
lifedynamics.com/hillary-clinton-defended-partial-birth-abortion/
nationalreview.com/article/431443/hillary-clinton-abortion-restrictions-abortion-demand
weeklystandard.com/hillary-clinton-wont-spell-out-position-on-late-term-abortion/article/915350
huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-interview-late-term-abortions_us_56b7723ee4b08069c7a79ff1
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Jeanne_S
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Explain to me and those of us who want to know.Even if HC is against these practices,except in extreme cases,how does sucking the brains out of an infant moments before it’s birth,somehow seem a safer alternatives than completing the birth process,or at the very least having a c section? This is a most barbaric act and I see absolutely no reason for it to even be an option.
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Tomdstone
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Don’t be fooled. Hillary says she would allow partial birth abortion “if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake” . Obviously, anyone can claim that their health is at stake.
Also, I am not attacking anyone if I ask a question about whether or not a particular religion accepts this gruesome procedure or under what conditions would it be accepted.
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jediliz
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Health of mother IS very vague…so technically hrc does not support ANY limits. Does she support giving born alive abortion survivors medical care? President Obama voted against giving these babies medical care when he was a senator in Illinois Senate. Does she think sex selection abortion is deplorable? How about eugenics based (killing for a disability or defect). She also has been quoted as** admiring Margaret Sanger**…
What is her plan to keep terrorism away from our soil? how about security at the border to keep drug smugglers out? how about bringing back jobs to America? Too many have been lost to outsourcing.
What is her plan to keep terrorism away from our soil? how about security at the border to keep drug smugglers out? how about bringing back jobs to America? Too many have been lost to outsourcing.
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Ridgerunner
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This is really misleading. The article admits that some undisclosed number of those corporations also donated to Democrats. And it does not mention the notorious fickleness of corporations when it comes to making political donations. In one election cycle, they’ll give more to Dems, in another to Repubs, and the decision hinges on who they think will win in that cycle.
Corporations, themselves, are apolitical.
And “criminal convictions” for corporations don’t have the same meaning as they do for individuals. In the article, Pfizer is mentioned as having been convicted. Not for murder. Not for robbery, not for selling cocaine. Likely it was some regulatory violation that provides for criminal penalties. But Pfizer doesn’t go to jail. What does happen is that Pfizer is put on probation and is ordered to do certain things the government wants it to do.
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Jeanne_S
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I agree.For some reason no one who supports HC is able to answer my questions,even though I have asked them more times than I can remember.My guess is there is no credible explainatin for PB Abortin,period!
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Lily_Bernans
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I said I was done, period, discussing abortion, but I will answer this question since no one else seems able or willing to do so. The necessity for a partial birth abortion is very rare, but it does happen. A fetus older than 20 weeks can die while still inside the mother’s womb. Usually when the fetus dies in the womb, labor ensues, but not every single time, and in those cases, the fetus must be removed or it will endanger the life and health of the mother.
“The further along a pregnancy is, the more complicated — and the more controversial — the procedures are for aborting it. Abortions performed after the 20th week of pregnancy typically require that the fetus be dismembered inside the womb so it can be removed without damaging the pregnant woman’s cervix. Some gynecologists consider such methods, known as “dilation and evacuation,” less than ideal because they can involve substantial blood loss and may increase the risk of lacerating the cervix, potentially undermining the woman’s ability to bear children in the future.”
Some mothers choose to have one performed when the child is suffering from hydrocephalus. I realize this violates the dignity of the human person according to Catholic teaching, but it does not according to other religions, and the US is a country in which freedom of religion dominates. No one is forced to abort a child with hydrocephalus.
Again, it was the Supreme Court that banned a Nebraska case trying to outlaw partial birth abortions:
“Yes. In the year 2000, the court struck down a Nebraska law banning any abortion procedure that ‘partially evacuates fetal material through the cervix into the birth canal.’”
npr.org/2006/02/21/5168163/partial-birth-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin
And Obama’s words are being twisted. While it’s true he voted against some “born alive” bills, he did so because they would restrict a woman’s right to an abortion, but he supported George Bush’s 2002 bill:
“Obama opposed the 2001 and 2002 “born alive” bills as backdoor attacks on a woman’s legal right to abortion, but he says he would have been “fully in support” of a similar federal bill that President Bush had signed in 2002, because it contained protections for Roe v. Wade.”
Now, I’m done with abortion talk. Enough is enough.
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jediliz
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since when is it necessary to deliver a baby breech, except the head, and then jab a sharp device into the head and suck the brains out? If the baby is far enough along (say 27 weeks) then why can’t an emergency c-section be done instead? Why must the baby be killed? What medical condition would REQUIRE the death of the baby in such a horrific way?
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