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Lily_Bernans said:
I don’t, either. It’s so easy, right? Super delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate who “won them,” for lack of better words. That’s why Hillary wants to get to 2,000-plus bound delegates, and why Bernie still has a chance. It grows slimmer with every delegate Hillary wins, but he still has a chance. It’s partly why he’s not pulling out and backing Hillary, which I think he’ll eventually do.

If I don’t talk to you before, LS, have a happy and blessed Easter! 🙂
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Thank you, LB. Many blessing to you as well! 🙂
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I don’t even think she bears some responsibility for the rise of ISIS. I think radical Islam bears the responsibility for the rise of ISIS, and I voted for Bernie in the primary! 😉
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You know, it’s interesting, LB. I listened to an interview this morning with an older Muslim gentleman who lives in the Brussels neighborhood where many of these terrorist young men seem to congregate. He said the brothers who died via suicide at the airport and the train station were known to him and were not religious at all. He did say they were anti-social. While I believe that radical Islam started ISIS, I think it clearly attracts angry young men who don’t necessarily have a religious connection to the the destruction they seek to sew.

And of course I don’t think HRC has a hand in any of it. RG is ridiculous.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I think Cruz-Clinton would be closer than Trump-Clinton. If it’s Trump-Clinton, I think Clinton would win in a landslide. I also think Cruz has a good chance to be nominated on the second ballot, should it come to a brokered convention.
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It could be close, but if Cruz can get half the delegates or more in WI, that possibility increases.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
She’s interacted with the heads of state of 112 countries and she’s had 22,000 employees working under her. The US didn’t fall apart. That’s more than the other candidates have done, though I’m still a Sanders supporter, who will vote for Hillary if she’s the nominee.

Some of her accomplishments include:

Her China speech on women.

Her role in killing bin Laden.

Management of the State Department during which time the US saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate change, and the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—she was the principal author of the agreement with Iran.

As Secretary of State, she negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel. She helped secure the START treaty’s ratification, and has advanced women’s rights in countries around the globe.

She rebuilt the US’s reputation and leadership overseas after the disastrous Bush years.

That’s a start. No other presidential candidate can compare with her in foreign policy experience. And that’s from a Sanders supporter.
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I don’t agree with SoS Clinton on everything. I don’t even agree with Bernie on everything. But that was more than just a start, Lily. Nice list. 👍
 
Her role in killing bin Laden.
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Would not have happened without enhanced interrogation techniques that most liberals oppose. I have no idea if those were permissible by Catholic teaching or not.
Management of the State Department during which time the US saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate change, and the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—she was the principal author of the agreement with Iran.
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Man-made “climate change” is grossly overstated and the Iran deal was a complete disaster.
As Secretary of State, she negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel. She helped secure the START treaty’s ratification, and has advanced women’s rights in countries around the globe.
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I guess that also includes funding for foriegn abortions. Not what I want my tax money spent on.

Also, don’t expect other countries to follow START.
She rebuilt the US’s reputation and leadership overseas after the disastrous Bush years.
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Let’s see, deals with Iran, the Russian reset and uncertainty among our allies. Israel probably knows we don’t have their back, and the Gulf States are mulling over getting nukes because Iran clearly wants one.

Then there’s North Korea and the South China Sea Islands debacle.

And where was ISIS under Bush?
That’s a start. No other presidential candidate can compare with her in foreign policy experience. And that’s from a Sanders supporter.
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Well, I don’t recall any major presidential candidate being under at least one FBI investigation…
 
SuperLuigi said:
The republicans do the same thing, only their votes are equal.
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Equal? If Trump beats Cruz by 1 vote in a winner take all state, Cruz voters meant nothing. Trump gets all the delegates. Democrats proportion theirs better.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Equal? If Trump beats Cruz by 1 vote in a winner take all state, Cruz voters meant nothing. Trump gets all the delegates. Democrats proportion theirs better.
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That is an excellent point!

Advantage: More is at stake so, ideally, voters would have to think more…not that it happens. 😊

Disadvantage: lose by one vote, lose it all.
 
Little_Sheep said:
You know, it’s interesting, LB. I listened to an interview this morning with an older Muslim gentleman who lives in the Brussels neighborhood where many of these terrorist young men seem to congregate. He said the brothers who died via suicide at the airport and the train station were known to him and were not religious at all. He did say they were anti-social. While I believe that radical Islam started ISIS, I think it clearly attracts angry young men who don’t necessarily have a religious connection to the the destruction they seek to sew.

And of course I don’t think HRC has a hand in any of it. RG is ridiculous.
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I think ISIS causes the disenfranchised to feel they will find a “home” with them and a place to belong. Once they become radicalized, however, ISIS can get them to do just about anything. It’s an awful organization, but I do think it will be eradicated once Europe learns to control and share security like the US does.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I join you and Lily Bernans on this. And a very Blessed Happy Easter to you both and to yours. And to all of CAF.
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Happy Easter to you and LS, Sy. I’m running behind on just about everything right now. 😦
 
Sy_Noe said:
I don’t agree with SoS Clinton on everything. I don’t even agree with Bernie on everything. But that was more than just a start, Lily. Nice list. 👍
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Thank you, Sy, I don’t agree with them on everything, either, but I think they would do the most good for the country.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I can certainly agree that no other candidate can compare with her in foreign policy, and it’s a very good thing. But igniting the Iran/Sunni conflagration is not something of which one can be proud. And, of course, receiving money from China throws her policy with it into serious question since the result has not been advantageous to this country; only to her. Nor, of course, was receiving money for turning the U.S. uranium supply over to Russia, therefore Iran.

But it did make her rich. You can say that much. The only problem with it being that it costs the country so much to put a few million into a politician’s pocket or purse. It would be so much cheaper to just evaluate what corruption is worth and paying it directly to the politician.

And, of course, the U.S. has exerted no leadership overseas since 2009 other than handing countries over to radical Islamists. Her count now is four. As president, how many more of those deals can she engineer, and for what in exchange?
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True. And it brings me back to my original point, what did she accomplish for this country in the items on the list? Outcomes do count.
 
mary_bobo said:
True. And it brings me back to my original point, what did she accomplish for this country in the items on the list? Outcomes do count.
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I think something that really helps her, is her husband. A lot of lower and middle class people did succeed in his presidency. So a lot of people make the deduction that if she becomes president it’ll be like Bill’s presidency.
 
chero23 said:
I think something that really helps her, is her husband. A lot of lower and middle class people did succeed in his presidency. So a lot of people make the deduction that if she becomes president it’ll be like Bill’s presidency.
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that makes me laugh!
 
chero23 said:
I think something that really helps her, is her husband. A lot of lower and middle class people did succeed in his presidency. So a lot of people make the deduction that if she becomes president it’ll be like Bill’s presidency.
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I think you’re right. The economy was good under Bill Clinton, and I think a lot of people remember those years and think another Clinton presidency will automatically mean good economic times again. Even those who don’t completely trust Hillary to bring that about know Bill would be there to advise her.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Equal? If Trump beats Cruz by 1 vote in a winner take all state, Cruz voters meant nothing. Trump gets all the delegates. Democrats proportion theirs better.
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The political parties don’t dictate whether a state is winner-take-all state or not. The state does that.
 
zz912 said:
The political parties don’t dictate whether a state is winner-take-all state or not. The state does that.
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I don’t know of many states whose legislatures or executive branch are not controlled by members of one party or another.
 
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