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JimR-OCDS said:
I disagree.

Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary, if for no other reason than they fear Donald Trump
as president.

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I agree with you. Sy and I are just two people, but we are representative. We both voted for Sanders, and we have both stated we are on board with Hillary now that her nomination seems inevitable. Other Democrats will do the same.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I see people who are passionate Hillary supporters. Many of the people I teach with are. And, there is so much anti-Trump passion. A lot of people will do almost anything to deny him the presidency, including voting for Hillary. His own party is trying to find a way to disown him and deny him the nomination. They’d rather the Republican Party implode and they toss the presidency to Hillary than have Trump represent them. That’s the “Trump passion” I see. Sure, there’s passion, but it takes the form of hate.
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I’m talking about broad passion in the party for a candidate, the kind that fills stadiums. Bernie has it but Hillary doesn’t.

I do agree there is an anit-Trump passion that the negative media has generated. Time will tell if it lasts through the General Election match-up and whether it motivates broad numbers to vote.
 
Theo520 said:
I’m talking about broad passion in the party for a candidate, the kind that fills stadiums. Bernie has it but Hillary doesn’t.

I do agree there is an anit-Trump passion that the negative media has generated. Time will tell if it lasts through the General Election match-up and whether it motivates broad numbers to vote.
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I do agree that Bernie Sanders has more charisma than Hillary Clinton. She isn’t naturally outgoing, she doesn’t connect as well as Sanders. But Cruz is even worse at connecting. He actually turns people off. Rubio could connect, but he destroyed his political career when he stooped to Trump’s level of trash talk.

As for the anti-Trump sentiment, it’s been generated by Trump himself. If anything, the media has given him a boost up by concentrating on him so much. His own party is willing to split and splinter to rid itself of him.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I do agree that Bernie Sanders has more charisma than Hillary Clinton. She isn’t naturally outgoing, she doesn’t connect as well as Sanders. But Cruz is even worse at connecting. He actually turns people off. Rubio could connect, but he destroyed his political career when he stooped to Trump’s level of trash talk.

As for the anti-Trump sentiment, it’s been generated by Trump himself. If anything, the media has given him a boost up by concentrating on him so much. His own party is willing to split and splinter to rid itself of him.
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My son has some politically-connected school friends in Florida. They maintain that Rubio shot himself in Fla by being one of the “Gang of Eight”, thus betraying the Tea Party folks who got him into the Senate in the first place. And Cruz hung “Gang of Eight” on Rubio during the debates every chance he got. Rubio’s lack of success doesn’t have much to do with Trump.

I am inclined to agree with your second thought, but in a different way. Trump, either because of his nature or media savvy, served up a lot of statements for the liberal media to play up. They thought they would destroy him with it, but all they did was stir up a lot of popular support for him.

The Repub party has been split for a long time, and probably always will be. The Dem party, however, has gone from a party that once tolerated or even prided itself on the disparateness of its adherents. It is now absolutely homogenous, ideologically. I have been absolutely astonished at how all the big Dem egos in congress would follow Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi’s directives like so many lemmings. Now and then there would be a mild dissenter, like Joe Lieberman or Joe Manchin, but they would be isolated at minimum or massively attacked like Joe Lieberman. Guess they learned that dissent is not tolerated in the party. Back when I was a Dem party worker, dissent was allowed. Not any more.

But the splits in the Repub party are not caused by Trump. The Repub party is simply a conglomeration of people who aren’t ultra-liberal. Its various sub-groups don’t have a whole lot in common, otherwise, and never did.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I disagree.

Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary, if for no other reason than they fear Donald Trump
as president.

Jim
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I agree. I also don’t think there was nearly as much passion for Obama when he ran for his second term but he still beat Romney.
 
Ridgerunner said:
My son has some politically-connected school friends in Florida. They maintain that Rubio shot himself in Fla by being one of the “Gang of Eight”, thus betraying the Tea Party folks who got him into the Senate in the first place. And Cruz hung “Gang of Eight” on Rubio during the debates every chance he got. Rubio’s lack of success doesn’t have much to do with Trump.

I am inclined to agree with your second thought, but in a different way. Trump, either because of his nature or media savvy, served up a lot of statements for the liberal media to play up. They thought they would destroy him with it, but all they did was stir up a lot of popular support for him.

The Repub party has been split for a long time, and probably always will be. The Dem party, however, has gone from a party that once tolerated or even prided itself on the disparateness of its adherents. It is now absolutely homogenous, ideologically. I have been absolutely astonished at how all the big Dem egos in congress would follow Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi’s directives like so many lemmings. Now and then there would be a mild dissenter, like Joe Lieberman or Joe Manchin, but they would be isolated at minimum or massively attacked like Joe Lieberman. Guess they learned that dissent is not tolerated in the party. Back when I was a Dem party worker, dissent was allowed. Not any more.

But the splits in the Repub party are not caused by Trump. The Repub party is simply a conglomeration of people who aren’t ultra-liberal. Its various sub-groups don’t have a whole lot in common, otherwise, and never did.
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Thank you for the information! 🙂
 
Theo520 said:
I’m talking about broad passion in the party for a candidate, the kind that fills stadiums. Bernie has it but Hillary doesn’t.

I do agree there is an anit-Trump passion that the negative media has generated. Time will tell if it lasts through the General Election match-up and whether it motivates broad numbers to vote.
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I predict the negative media generated by the left will only get worse. Including the protests. That is what they resort to for a victory.
 
ATeNumquam said:
I know it’s entirely irrelevant what I think as a NZer:) but I go along with what you say, from my observations.Bear in mind that I live in a country that is further to the left than the US (though we have a “centre right” government at present). It’s a more secular country all told. Also, since we never have the luxury of political leaders declaring themselves pro-life (even if they secretly are) we Catholics either don’t vote or decide on the basis of their other policies. I’m used to all that. None of it hinders me practicing my faith. I’m also used to female heads of government (in this tiny country). Down here, we’d have been Bernie Sanders’ supporters, but probably HC would be our second choice taking into account your alternatives - if we had any say! (It does affect us who you choose)
I do think HC is far more of a politician than Trump could ever be, more trustworthy regarding foreign affairs, looking at it in a global context - and I actually hope you do get your first female POTUS.😃
Trump scares the daylights out of us.
It’s only for 4 years anyway, folks - by next time maybe someone like Kasich will be favoured to do the job?
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Hey NZer! Thanks for the shout out.

Bernie is great and I certainly think he has been good for Hillary - he has made her a better candidate. That said, I do not believe that the USofA as a whole is ready for his agenda and his campaign has been a little too narrowly focused. I mean, I agree that the things he focuses on are important and laudable, but there is a lot more to being the President than the things he talks about. That said, if Bernie won the democrat nomination, I would support him.

I do understand that some other countries are concerned about a Trump Presidency. Obviously, the Republicans can’t seem to stop him, but I have confidence that - by way of American voters - Hillary will!

Have great weekend.
 
Sy_Noe said:
A strong woman, my mother alone raised me, her only son. One of my sisters, also raised a daughter on her own. Strong women have always been influential in my life. And I’m going to remember this and my mother as I help elect our first female President. 👍

It does look like Trump has an uphill battle considering half of U.S. women say they have a “very unfavorable” view of him, up from 40 percent of women who had a very negative view of Mr. Trump in the same poll in October. “Very unfavorable” is not easily reversed.

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/17/donald-trump-spurned-half-us-women-poll/
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It’s nice to get to know you a little better, Sy Noe. I really believe the women’s vote is what will take Donald out.
 
7_Sorrows said:
if Hillary is elected, the only legacy she will be concerned about is her own. she and Obama care about their own agendas rather than the good of the country.
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It doesn’t make sense to me when people say that Presidents don’t want what’s good for their country - that’s a pretty outlandish accusation. It sounds so knee-jerkingly partisan. I believe that every single President we have ever had has worked their hardest to do what is best for America.

Example: I did not vote for George Bush and I did not always agree with the decisions George Bush made. But never in a million years would I say that Bush didn’t care about America and only cared about his own agenda. I mean, of course, Bush cared about his own agenda - the people elected him to put his agenda into play and he felt strongly that his agenda would help America.
 
meltzerboy said:
The Hispanic vote won’t help him all that much either despite what he and others may claim.
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In other words, the liberal elite HOPES that they can keep the 70%+ of Hispanics they needed to drag the Obama/Biden ticket across the finish line.

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Sy_Noe said:
Democrats had a hard fought battle in 08 for the nomination. I would argue more so than this yr. There was talk then if Hillary supporters would support Obama. Obama even lost OH and PA to Hillary yet carried the states in the general. Bottom line. Obama won the Presidency. Lily Bernans and myself, both professed Sanders supporters are already on board with Hillary in the general. The primary season is notoriously not a good predictor for the general.
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Is this in reference to El Rusbho’s operation chaos?
 
Lily_Bernans said:
You can’t get more pro-choice than the seven justices who decided to make abortion on demand legal in the US, five of them Republican appointed. Even one of the dissenters was appointed by a Democrat.

Now that abortion is constitutional, it’s highly unlikely that it will be seen as unconstitutional by any justice no matter who appoints him or her.

I wish they hadn’t made it constitutional, but now that it is, I think it has to be eradicated in a different way. The Supreme Court isn’t the route.
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And what was the make up of the judges who upheld the Partial Birth Abortion Ban in 2007? … HINT = not one was appointed by a democrat

What was the name of the President who vetoed the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that was passed in 1995? … I know you don’t want to answer this one … CLINTON!

This ban should have 100% support of any human being - no matter their political or religious stance … and the Democratic Party - by Part Plank, Rhetoric, Who they get $$ support from AND THEIR VOTES and VETO PENS support Partial Birth Abortion … Hillary Clinton included

And you saying being Pro-Abortion means that every pregnancy has to end in abortion is absurd …

What it means is that every pregnancy can and should in in abortion based upon the “choice” of a woman [whether that choice is freely given or coerced] by any means at all from conception to birth - even via sucking out their brains and the dismemberment of their bodies …

Also - Father Pavone is not okay with either Sanders or Hillary
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I can’t, either. Unfortunately, there are many women who want the legal freedom to abort on demand.

I find it hard to believe that some women actually consider it murder, but do it anyway. Is the US that selfish? I think many who abort don’t realize the implications of what they’re doing.
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I wonder how many people said that after the Plessy v Ferguson decision … ?

Yet it happened

The List of Supreme Court Decisions that have been overturned
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_overruled_United_States_Supreme_Court_decisions
 
=Little Sheep;13756515]All true, Jim. For me, Hillary is clearly the most experienced. She is also smart as a whip, strong as an ox, hard-working. These facts just can’t be denied.
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Those are not facts; those are opinions.
The women of this country will not choose Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton. MOO, of course.
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So then Clinton supporters are counting on women voting for her just because she’s a woman?
 
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