Hillary Clinton Thread

[SuperLuigi]

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry

Look at it like this:

If anyone has to campaign in MA in the general, it’s VERY bad news for the Democrats.

 

[meltzerboy]

In other words, the liberal elite HOPES that they can keep the 70%+ of Hispanics they needed to drag the Obama/Biden ticket across the finish line.

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The Obama/Biden ticket had the African American vote pretty much; they probably also had many of the electorate in the Hispanic community. Hillary Clinton is quite solid with African American voters as well, which is one of the reasons Bernie Sanders is losing to her.

But to answer your question, yes, Hispanics are part of the liberal Democratic base. I wouldn’t call them the elite, however, whatever that term has come to mean. Many Sanders’ supporters will most likely gravitate toward Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Wow. I guess Trump isn’t the only one who can be offensive.

In no way was I meaning to be offensive. I was simply referring to stories such as this one.

politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/donald-trump-needs-7-of-10-white-guys-213699?o=0

It’s not offensive to point out facts. Romney received nearly 60% of the votes of whites, more than Reagan received in 1980, yet Romney lost. In addition polls show 50% of women view Trump very unfavorably and 80% of Latinos view him unfavorably. There is nothing offensive in pointing out the American electorate in Presidential yrs has changed and continues to do so. It doesn’t mean Republicans can’t win. But until they adapt to reality, they begin in the hole.

 

[Theo520]

I predict the negative media generated by the left will only get worse. Including the protests. That is what they resort to for a victory.

I agree the protests by the militant left will get worse, but I predict there will be a backlash that drives the middle to lean right.

 

[Sy_Noe]

This is wishful thinking and I understand its allure, especially if one wants to see a Republican candidate become President. This line of reason is routinely trotted out every election season when it starts to become clear that one person is going to secure the nomination.

But we must traffic in reality and the reality is that the Democratic Party is not fractured - quite the opposite in fact. We will all unite behind the eventual Democratic nominee. We did it in 2008 (and again in 2012) and we will do it in 2016.

Is Hillary a perfect candidate? Heavens no! But she is vastly superior to anyone running on the Republican ticket. We are enthusiastic about what Obama has been able to accomplish in the face of unprecedented and (frankly) insane obstruction from the other side of the aisle and we are enthusiastic about HRC continuing to build on his legacy.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Those are not facts; those are opinions.

So then Clinton supporters are counting on women voting for her just because she’s a woman?

I believe that we can agree that everything posted on this thread is opinion. That said, I could make a pretty strong argument that objectively, Hillary has the most experience for the job of POTUS.

Woman will be a big part of Hillary’s win, but not the only part. And there may well be some women who vote for her just because she’s a woman. I think people should vote for whatever reasons they find most compelling.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I agree with you. Sy and I are just two people, but we are representative. We both voted for Sanders, and we have both stated we are on board with Hillary now that her nomination seems inevitable. Other Democrats will do the same.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I believe that we can agree that everything posted on this thread is opinion. That said, I could make a pretty strong argument that objectively, Hillary has the most experience for the job of POTUS.

Woman will be a big part of Hillary’s win, but not the only part. And there may well be some women who vote for her just because she’s a woman. I think people should vote for whatever reasons they find most compelling.

Well when 50% of women view the Republican frontrunner very unfavorably, yes it only makes sense that women will be a big part of a Hillary win. But for sure not the only part. For instance she has received tremendous support among African Americans in the primaries. 80% of Latinos view Trump unfavorably. And then there is me.

 

[YADA]

Does that include people the US kills in war? The innocent victims who aren’t participating in the war?

The death toll to abortion = in the US and promoted by the US around the world is infinitely higher than innocent victims of War killed by the US and other nations … and using war and aggressions perpetrated throughout the world by any government to justify the continued killing of innocent children in the womb is atrocious.

In Iraq the number of deaths not all are from the US government action - even without the war - innocent people die at the hands of criminal elements - from 2003 to 2012 = 115,000 +/- …Very sad … but on an annual basis the loss is less than those lost to abortion in my state all by itself - there are 49 other states. In fact - Oregon only reported data for 6 years between 2003 and 2012 … the total lost to abortion in Oregon during 6 of those 11 years totals 99,600 deaths

Your question is just like those who say the Death Penalty is equally important to abortion … and we should fight it with the same vigor

Well in my state OREGON … there are currently 35 people on death row …
that last two inmates executed were in 1996 and 1997 … that’s 20 years and 19 years ago …

In 2011 - 14,100 babies were executed by their mothers and the abortionist - 2010 = 14,600 and in 2008 17,900.

Where is the greatest harm being done to arguably the most innocent of life?

Where would Father Pavone say we need to concentrate our efforts in ridding the world of a grave 100% intrinsically evil action - that s currently sanctioned in law and being promoted around the world?

 

[YADA]

Oh, I’ll vote for her should she become the nominee, and it seems she will.

I don’t trust the Republican appointees who made abortion legal, and then, when they had a chance to strike a blow against it, chose NOT to do so.

And, believe it or not, I care about other issues as well.

But somehow you trust the democrats who want to keep legal delivering all of a baby but its head, sucking the baby’s brains out of its skull so the skull and can crushed then extracting the lifeless body in pieces …

A Democratic President vetoed legislation that outlawed this heinous procedure and not one Democratically appointed Justices voted to Uphold the Law - Justices David Souter [GHW Bush - R - sadly and Bush stated he never knew his stands on abortion which is how many of you say you want it - to not politicize the Court] , John Paul Stevens [Ford - R sadly & also a president who never ran for election] , and Stephen Breyer [Clinton - D], Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg [Carter - D] dissented

Unlike GHW Bush [taking him at his word] I will bet that every Democrat President knows the position of their appointees … after all the Democratic Party has Abortion on Demand codified in their Party Platform … that is what the Democratic party wants, demands of all their national figures … Gore being a perfect example … change your stance get to be VP

 

[Jeanne_S]

And what was the make up of the judges who upheld the Partial Birth Abortion Ban in 2007? … HINT = not one was appointed by a democrat

What was the name of the President who vetoed the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that was passed in 1995? … I know you don’t want to answer this one … CLINTON!

This ban should have 100% support of any human being - no matter their political or religious stance … and the Democratic Party - by Part Plank, Rhetoric, Who they get $$ support from AND THEIR VOTES and VETO PENS support Partial Birth Abortion … Hillary Clinton included

And you saying being Pro-Abortion means that every pregnancy has to end in abortion is absurd …

What it means is that every pregnancy can and should in in abortion based upon the “choice” of a woman [whether that choice is freely given or coerced] by any means at all from conception to birth - even via sucking out their brains and the dismemberment of their bodies …

Also - Father Pavone is not okay with either Sanders or Hillary

Well said:thumbsup:

 

[Darryl1958]

“Mission Accomplished!” was premature.

“We came, We saw, Gaddaffi died !<chortle, chortle>” was gauche.

Speaking of other issues…

 

[anon67074017]

I think Hillary is a bad candidate. She is a liberal who supports same-sex marriage and abortion. She is not as left as Bernie Sanders though. The Democratic Party race is a left and more left situation. At least Hillary is a capitalist.

 

[7_Sorrows]

women who vote for Hillary simply because she is a woman are very shallow. I believe there are many women who do NOT like Hillary.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

But somehow you trust the democrats who want to keep legal delivering all of a baby but its head, sucking the baby’s brains out of its skull so the skull and can crushed then extracting the lifeless body in pieces …

A Democratic President vetoed legislation that outlawed this heinous procedure and not one Democratically appointed Justices voted to Uphold the Law - Justices David Souter [GHW Bush - R - sadly and Bush stated he never knew his stands on abortion which is how many of you say you want it - to not politicize the Court] , John Paul Stevens [Ford - R sadly & also a president who never ran for election] , and Stephen Breyer [Clinton - D], Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg [Carter - D] dissented

Unlike GHW Bush [taking him at his word] I will bet that every Democrat President knows the position of their appointees … after all the Democratic Party has Abortion on Demand codified in their Party Platform … that is what the Democratic party wants, demands of all their national figures … Gore being a perfect example … change your stance get to be VP

Just more talking points to try to deflect from the fact that it was REPUBLICANS who made, and kept, abortion legal.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

women who vote for Hillary simply because she is a woman are very shallow. I believe there are many women who do NOT like Hillary.

I agree that no matter who one votes for, the reasons should go deeper than gender. Maybe they don’t for some feminists, I don’t know, I’m not a feminist.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Where would Father Pavone say we need to concentrate our efforts in ridding the world of a grave 100% intrinsically evil action - that s currently sanctioned in law and being promoted around the world?

Just because I’m related to Frank doesn’t mean he decides who I vote for, nor do I decide who he votes for. And, at the end of the day, we still love each other. We’re family.

There are many intrinsically evil things in the world - slavery, which is thriving in third world countries, torture, building walls to keep the poor and needy out of the US, divorce. Isn’t the three times married Trump twice divorced? Didn’t he say he doesn’t believe in “working things out?” On the other hand, Hillary is married to her first and only husband, and it appears she and Bill did “work things out.”

 

[Lily_Bernans]

But somehow you trust the democrats who want to keep legal delivering all of a baby but its head, sucking the baby’s brains out of its skull so the skull and can crushed then extracting the lifeless body in pieces …

A Democratic President vetoed legislation that outlawed this heinous procedure and not one Democratically appointed Justices voted to Uphold the Law - Justices David Souter [GHW Bush - R - sadly and Bush stated he never knew his stands on abortion which is how many of you say you want it - to not politicize the Court] , John Paul Stevens [Ford - R sadly & also a president who never ran for election] , and Stephen Breyer [Clinton - D], Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg [Carter - D] dissented

Unlike GHW Bush [taking him at his word] I will bet that every Democrat President knows the position of their appointees … after all the Democratic Party has Abortion on Demand codified in their Party Platform … that is what the Democratic party wants, demands of all their national figures … Gore being a perfect example … change your stance get to be VP

Yes, since it was a Republican SC that upheld Roe v Wade in 1973 and made abortion legal, and it was a Republican SC in 1992 in PP v. Casey that again passed on striking a blow at abortion on demand, I trust the Democrats.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

But somehow you trust the democrats who want to keep legal delivering all of a baby but its head, sucking the baby’s brains out of its skull so the skull and can crushed then extracting the lifeless body in pieces …

A Democratic President vetoed legislation that outlawed this heinous procedure and not one Democratically appointed Justices voted to Uphold the Law - Justices David Souter [GHW Bush - R - sadly and Bush stated he never knew his stands on abortion which is how many of you say you want it - to not politicize the Court] , John Paul Stevens [Ford - R sadly & also a president who never ran for election] , and Stephen Breyer [Clinton - D], Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg [Carter - D] dissented

Unlike GHW Bush [taking him at his word] I will bet that every Democrat President knows the position of their appointees … after all the Democratic Party has Abortion on Demand codified in their Party Platform … that is what the Democratic party wants, demands of all their national figures … Gore being a perfect example … change your stance get to be VP

You really need to educate yourself on this:

"However, Obama has said several times that he would have supported the federal version of the bill, which passed by unanimous consent and which President Bush signed into law Aug. 5, 2002, because it could not be used to challenge the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision granting a legal right to abortion. On Aug. 16, the candidate repeated that again to David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network. He also prefaced his remarks with an attack on those who said he had misrepresented his position on the state bills, saying they were “lying.”

And in fact, the 2005 version of the Illinois bill, which passed the Senate 52 to 0 (with four voting “present”) after Obama had gone on to Washington, included an additional protective clause not included in the federal legislation: “Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.” Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor says that Obama would have voted for that bill if he had been in state office at the time."

factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/

I really don’t know any Democrat, and that includes Hillary Clinton, who supports infanticide. It’s the Republicans and their needless, endless military engagements that kill innocent men, women, and children. It’s Republicans who made abortion legal, and kept it legal.

 

[TMC]

I agree that no matter who one votes for, the reasons should go deeper than gender. Maybe they don’t for some feminists, I don’t know, I’m not a feminist.

The women I know that support Hillary do so for policy reasons, not gender. In fact, several of them would prefer Bernie, but are supporting Hillary as more electable.