Hillary Clinton Thread

[grotto]

I call him Frankie. Here I call him Frank. He’s my family member.

Yes, I’m willing to vote for Hillary Clinton, and will do so unless Bernie Sanders somehow ends up the nominee.

I am confident Hillary is not going to be forcing anyone to abort their child. I place the blame for abortion on the person with whom the blame lies - the woman who chooses to have the procedure performed and contracts with someone to murder.

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Well, we can’t pick our relatives can we! You can state again that you are against abortion yourself, but its not very convincing. You actually attempt to encourage abandonment of ridding abortion from this world. Placing legal over God’s Law is a sin. Did you forget to “render to God the things that are God’s” (to Ceaser …whatever).
If you are beginning to squirm over discussing the desire to end abortion, maybe its your conscience about defending the Democrat’s and their evil ambitions.

 

[Path_Finder]

Yes, but in MUCH smaller numbers. Many women will not violate the law, especially if it is also an unsafe procedure. (Check Fr. Pavone’s website re: pre-1973 figures.)

**9,000 Babies Saved From Abortions in Texas After Pro-Life Law Closed Half the Abortion Clinics
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lifenews.com/2016/03/17/9000-babies-saved-from-abortions-in-texas-after-pro-life-law-closed-half-the-abortion-clinics/

This article just came out, I have seen similar for other states. So, those acting antagonistically, ignore these other matters, blame others.

What they are saying does not seem to follow Catholic teaching and again, I will say, I would question motivations.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

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Well, we can’t pick our relatives can we! You can state again that you are against abortion yourself, but its not very convincing. You actually attempt to encourage abandonment of ridding abortion from this world. Placing legal over God’s Law is a sin. Did you forget to “render to God the things that are God’s” (to Ceaser …whatever).
If you are beginning to squirm over discussing the desire to end abortion, maybe its your conscience about defending the Democrat’s and their evil ambitions.

I don’t “squirm” over anything. If I did, I would have been gone long ago. The constant rant about abortion is tiresome. Haven’t you noticed that almost no one is discussing the issues here?

I am against abortion, but I have to say, you are causing me to re-evaluate my position.

I don’t mean any disrespect, but I really don’t care if I convince you or not. We don’t answer to one another; we answer to God. I’m ready to answer to him now.

No, I’m not beginning to “squirm.” And my conscience is clear. I would never have an abortion. I am going to watch the news about the elections on CNN since I’ve no interest in discussing abortion over and over and over and over ad nauseum here. There is nothing more to say.

 

[jediliz]

How many here want common sense regulations like accessible doorways and wide hallways? PP fights tooth and nail against these…they say it restricts abortion…no, it provides common sense safety in case of emergency which requires an ambulance.

Abortion takes a human life, it is not and has never been “safe”.

If a woman sees an ultrasound, she is less likely to abort…that’s why the screen is turned away from the woman in most cases.

One of the changed minds in my city happened when the girl heard the nurse say “boy”. She decided not to abort and left. They were going to send her to Carhart in Bellevue.

 

[_Abyssinia]

A woman who doesn’t want an ultrasound will never be forced to have one.

I’m against abortion myself, but after 40 years, no inroads have been made. You need to find another way of stopping it. Plenty of Republican presidents have come and gone, and abortion is still here. Can’t you see that what you’re doing isn’t working? It’s lip service, that’s all. Take another path to your goal.

Bloomberg says,
“Abortion Clinics Are Closing at a Record Pace” and they put that down to Republican efforts in the way of legislation, by the way. I think you will find little to no Democratic support for all the state level abortion regulation legislation.

According to Gallup research as reported here, as of 2009, 12% fewer Millennials believe abortion should be legal in any circumstance compared to Millennials from the last 50 years of the 20th century.

Yes abortion is still legal, but the next President is very likely to nominate multiple Supreme Coury justices, and this could decide how much longer abortion will be legal. If Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders became president, do you think they will nominate justices who are friendly to the pro-choice abortion side or not?

 

[JimG]

The issue of abortion will continue to arise, again and again, especially in election years. It is inevitable. It cannot be put to rest as a settled issue any more than the issue of slavery or civil rights could be put to rest. This quote from a 2013 article helps explain why.

“The main point to be understood here is that legalized abortion, like slavery for an earlier generation, is a public policy that cannot be accepted or allowed to remain in place. It must imperatively be fought against, even if efforts to do so prove unsuccessful, even if defeats are suffered time and time again. The fight cannot be abandoned.”

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Bloomberg says,
“Abortion Clinics Are Closing at a Record Pace” and they put that down to Republican efforts in the way of legislation, by the way. I think you will find little to no Democratic support for all the state level abortion regulation legislation.

According to Gallup research as reported here, as of 2009, 12% fewer Millennials believe abortion should be legal in any circumstance compared to Millennials from the last 50 years of the 20th century.

Yes abortion is still legal, but the next President is very likely to nominate multiple Supreme Coury justices, and this could decide how much longer abortion will be legal. If Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders became president, do you think they will nominate justices who are friendly to the pro-choice abortion side or not?

I know Republican justices upheld Roe v Wade and made abortion legal. Period.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Re Dr. Carthart,I just read an article on Lifesite news that he sent yet another woman to the hospital this past Sunday after a botched abortion.
So we have come full circle.Legalizing abortion was supposed to make it safe for women to procure one.Therecwere also limits on when and why abortions could be performed.Now we have abortion on demand any time any place any women ,not just their babies are still dying at the hands of abortionists.

Hundreds of women have died from legal abortion. Here are their names but (warning there is some graphic imagery on this website): safeandlegal.com/the-pro-choice-death-list

I don’t know a number for how many have had botched abortions and been injured.

 

[Monkey1976]

I know Republican justices upheld Roe v Wade and made abortion legal. Period.

Slavery was explicitly enshrined in the Constitution and upheld in the Supreme Court. Should abolitionists have just thrown up their hands and said, “Oh, well. It’s the law of the land. We should move on to other issues.”?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I know Republican justices upheld Roe v Wade and made abortion legal. Period.

You did NOT answer my question about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, so I will ask it again: If Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders became president, do you think they will nominate justices who are friendly to the pro-choice abortion side or not?

It’s very sad that Roe v Wade was upheld. Eisenhower served as President until four years before the Roe v Wade Supreme Court ruling and Nixon was in office until the year after Roe v Wade was decided by the Supreme Court. Would either President have looked at the nominees views on abortion during those times?

It wasn’t until 1980 that the Republican platform was explicit in affirming in saying, 'we affirm our support of a constitutional amendment to restore protection of the right to life for unborn children." articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/31/opinion/la-oe-0831-kinsley-abortion-gop-platform-20120831 I don’t think there is any explicit reference in the Republican platform prior to that platform that called for protecting life in such a way.

Neither Nixon or Eisenhower likely had an abortion litmus test, despite what their own positions on abortion may have been. I doubt either had any knowledge of what was coming down the road before the Supreme Court, what would turn out to be, Roe v Wade. Who knows whether they would of changed their Supreme Court nominations if they knew that case was coming. I don’t if either of them ever commented on it. They should of nominated justices who wouldn’t have upheld Roe v Wade.

 

[sallybutler]

How many here want common sense regulations like accessible doorways and wide hallways? PP fights tooth and nail against these…they say it restricts abortion…no, it provides common sense safety in case of emergency which requires an ambulance.

Abortion takes a human life, it is not and has never been “safe”.

If a woman sees an ultrasound, she is less likely to abort…that’s why the screen is turned away from the woman in most cases.

One of the changed minds in my city happened when the girl heard the nurse say “boy”. She decided not to abort and left. They were going to send her to Carhart in Bellevue.

I would have no problem with these rules if every office providing medical services had to meet them. This would include Lasix surgery, dental surgery, chiropractic services, physical therapy, etc. All should have to have wide doorways and halls And be within 30 miles of a hospital And have admitting privileges, etc.

 

[Tomdstone]

So abortions are safe for fetuses? Well, I’ve heard it all now.

This is not Catholic teaching; and this being a Catholic forum, this should be pointed out.

Exactly. Abortion is not too safe for the unborn child who is being ripped apart and murdered. But Hillary demands that religious beliefs be changed. Hillary is pro-abortion rights. No doubt about it.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Well, you should try a different path. What you’re doing isn’t working. Get out there and protest with Frank. Stop arguing with me because I’m not going to change.

It isn’t enough to say, “I won’t vote for a president who is pro-choice.” That doesn’t work. It’s not enough.

It may not be working with you… Here is a prayer I say every morning

A Prayer to End Abortion
Lord God,I thank you today for the gift of my life
And for the lives of all my brothers and sisters.I know there is nothing that destroys more life than abortion.
Yet I rejoice that you have conquered death by the Resurrection of your Son.
I am ready to do my part in ending abortion.
Today,I commit myself never to be silent,Never to be passive,
Never to be forgetful of the unborn.
I commit myself to be active in the pro life movement,and never to stop defending life
Until all my brothers and sisters are protected,And our nation once again becomes a nation with liberty and justice ,not just for some,but for all.
Through Christ Our Lord,Amen

This was written by Fr.Frank Pavone,maybe you can ask him for a copy.

 

[jediliz]

I would have no problem with these rules if every office providing medical services had to meet them. This would include Lasix surgery, dental surgery, chiropractic services, physical therapy, etc. All should have to have wide doorways and halls And be within 30 miles of a hospital And have admitting privileges, etc.

These would be rules every outpatient surgical center should have. I think the real reason they object is they would have to admit emergencies happen and abortion is not safe. Several women have died or their fate was unknown …And these facilities had small hallways or malfunctioning elevators so it was hard to get the injured woman out fast.

Here is a recent one : lifenews.com/2016/03/10/woman-had-to-be-carried-down-two-flights-of-stairs-after-clinic-injured-her-in-botched-abortion/

 

[rmartensjr]

I know Republican justices upheld Roe v Wade and made abortion legal. Period.

You keep talking about the past. Who will nominate pro-abort judges for FUTURE vacancies on the SCOTUS? That’s right! DEMOCRATS!!!

 

[rmartensjr]

I’ve no interest in discussing abortion over and over and over and over ad nauseum here. There is nothing more to say.

And yet here you are again, trying to defend the indefensible.

 

[jediliz]

You keep talking about the past. Who will nominate pro-abort judges for FUTURE vacancies on the SCOTUS? That’s right! DEMOCRATS!!!

Which is why I won’t vote for democrats…I’m scared the next roe vs wade would be something like euthanasia…

 

[Jeanne_S]

Which is why I won’t vote for democrats…I’m scared the next roe vs wade would be something like euthanasia…

We are Definately moving in that direction

 

[Lily_Bernans]

We are Definately moving in that direction

I don’t think you are moving in the direction you want:

patheos.com/blogs/faithfuldemocrats/2012/09/if-you-are-truly-pro-life-youd-vote-democrat/

"The Republican and Religious Right’s focus on criminalization and overturning Roe may makes proponents feel good, but it does not help the unborn. Republicans first made this a political issue back in the late 1970s, and we have as many abortions now as we had then. Despite decades of campaign promises and a period where 7 of 9 Supreme Court Justices were GOP appointees and Republicans controlled the White House and both branches of Congress, Roe remains the law of the land.

There is a reason abortions went up under Reagan, up under Bush I, saw their largest decline since Roe under Clinton, and then leveled out again under Bush II (abortion data isn’t available yet for Obama’s first term). Democratic policies reduce abortions, and Republican policies tend to result in more.

It is true that to many Christians the answer the GOP gives to the question of when life begins sounds better than the answer from Democrats. But to the unborn, there is no question that what Democrats do is much better than what Republicans do. So if you feel results are more important than words when it comes to “Life,” there is really no debate that Democrats are the Party for you."

politicususa.com/2014/02/03/newsflash-republicans-abortion-rate-fell-13-president-obama.html

liberalamerica.org/2014/02/03/abortion-rates-lower-obama-reagan-bush/

Edit: Abortions declined 13% under Obama.

I care about the unborn. I’m voting Democratic.

 

[rmartensjr]

Priests for Life

7/29/2015

NEW YORK – Fr. Frank Pavone, National Director of Priests for Life, responded to Hillary Clinton’s comments about the Planned Parenthood videos uncovering their sale of body parts.

"Hillary Clinton said, ‘I have seen pictures from them and obviously find them disturbing.’ That’s like saying that pictures of the Holocaust are disturbing, while permitting the Holocaust to continue.

"The only reason we see disturbing pictures and videos of the sale of baby body parts is because those babies are dehumanized and **killed by the legal abortions Hillary **herself defends.

“**It is time for her, the Democratic party, and all pro-abortion politicians to **get off the fence. Either reject abortion altogether, or keep quiet. But don’t insult our intelligence by allowing a practice to continue and then complaining that its results are disturbing.”

(Editorial markings mine.) And yes, there are pro-abortion politicians!

priestsforlife.org/pressreleases/5325-fr-pavone-to-hillary-clinton-get-off-the-fence