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Lily_Bernans said:
I am sorry, but I do not know the answer to your question. I do not know if the spirit of the US Constitution was against pregnancy and childbirth, but I would suspect not.

I do know that when the US Supreme Court justices wrote the majority opinion upholding Roe v Wade and making abortion legal, they sought many opinions of what, exactly, defined a “person” in the Constitution, and they came to the conclusion that a fetus is not a person until it is born.

I do not agree with that opinion, but I am not a justice on the Supreme Court; I am not even a lawyer or law student.

I hope that helps a little.
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The justices simply decided not to decide that issue. They didn’t even wish to take on the subject of when “life” begins, whatever that means. They considered it unnecessary.

Of course the line of reasoning would have been easy:

An unborn human being is a human being.
Human beings ought to be considered persons by reason of being distinct new individuals of the human species.
As such their right to life should be protected.

But, absent that, they could simply have determined whether or not the U.S. Constitution said anything at all about abortion. It did not. So the matter should have been left to the States. But they located a penumbra under which a ‘right’ to abortion could be placed.

Such are the ways in which the Constitution is re-written.
 
JimG said:
The justices simply decided not to decide that issue. They didn’t even wish to take on the subject of when “life” begins, whatever that means. They considered it unnecessary.

Of course the line of reasoning would have been easy:

An unborn human being is a human being.
Human beings ought to be considered persons by reason of being distinct new individuals of the human species.
As such their right to life should be protected.

But, absent that, they could simply have determined whether or not the U.S. Constitution said anything at all about abortion. It did not. So the matter should have been left to the States. But they located a penumbra under which a ‘right’ to abortion could be placed.

Such are the ways in which the Constitution is re-written.
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Here it is, if anyone wants to read it:

law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113
 
Tomdstone said:
Hillary on the Rachel Maddow show:
—I’ve been on the front lines of the fight to preserve a woman’s choice and ability to make these difficult decisions, that is why I was endorsed by the Planned Parenthood action fund, that is why I was endorsed by NARAL, I am a leader in trying to make sure that our rights as women are not in any way eroded.—
realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/31/hillary_bernie_sanders_didnt_condemn_trump_strongly_enough.html
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Methinks Trump will have a very difficult time defeating a women in November. I’m sure we will hear his words, which cause both parties to wince, concerning illegal abortion and punishing women over and over again in the lead-up to the election.

He surely stepped in it all around. Limbaugh had an interesting take this afternoon on Donald’s abortion kerfuffle.
 
Little_Sheep said:
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Methinks Trump will have a very difficult time defeating a women in November. I’m sure we will hear his words, which cause both parties to wince, concerning illegal abortion and punishing women over and over again in the lead-up to the election.

He surely stepped in it all around. Limbaugh had an interesting take this afternoon on Donald’s abortion kerfuffle.
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If the nominees are Hillary and Trump, Hillary will mop the floor with him when it comes to foreign affairs.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
If the nominees are Hillary and Trump, Hillary will mop the floor with him when it comes to foreign affairs.
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Agreed. My real question right now is would the blowout be worse against Trump than against Cruz.

Did you see the news yesterday or today (it may have been posted on this thread already - I haven’t caught up) that in reality there are less than a dozen FBI agents looking at Hillary’s emails?
 
Little_Sheep said:
Agreed. My real question right now is would the blowout be worse against Trump than against Cruz.

Did you see the news yesterday or today (it may have been posted on this thread already - I haven’t caught up) that in reality there are less than a dozen FBI agents looking at Hillary’s emails?
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No, I didn’t see or hear that, LS. Thank you for letting me know! 🙂 I’m not at all surprised.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I am sorry, but I do not know the answer to your question. I do not know if the spirit of the US Constitution was against pregnancy and childbirth, but I would suspect not.

I do know that when the US Supreme Court justices wrote the majority opinion upholding Roe v Wade and making abortion legal, they sought many opinions of what, exactly, defined a “person” in the Constitution, and they came to the conclusion that a fetus is not a person until it is born.

I do not agree with that opinion, but I am not a justice on the Supreme Court; I am not even a lawyer or law student.

I hope that helps a little.
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Yes,it does and it is a question I often ask myself in regards to many things in my country too.
Maybe I will ask again in the future outside context of elections cause that In God we trust does really impress me and the stories about your constitution and it is still interesting for me .Maybe you just do not realize,and may be used to it,but it is awesome indeed.
Thanks Lily.
I do not know the answer to many of our constitution either so be at peace.
Bless you.
 
JimG said:
The justices simply decided not to decide that issue. They didn’t even wish to take on the subject of when “life” begins, whatever that means. They considered it unnecessary.

Of course the line of reasoning would have been easy:

An unborn human being is a human being.
Human beings ought to be considered persons by reason of being distinct new individuals of the human species.
As such their right to life should be protected.

But, absent that, they could simply have determined whether or not the U.S. Constitution said anything at all about abortion. It did not. So the matter should have been left to the States. But they located a penumbra under which a ‘right’ to abortion could be placed.

Such are the ways in which the Constitution is re-written.
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You go by cases,we work it out differently.
I am somehow related to law in my profession,but it was the Catholic University which influenced that looking into " where something is coming from " and “where it is leading to”, that kind of shaped my vision on law. Or at least it is where I recall consciously having dealt with it …
I get your point too.
 
Little_Sheep said:
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Methinks Trump will have a very difficult time defeating a women in November. I’m sure we will hear his words, which cause both parties to wince, concerning illegal abortion and punishing women over and over again in the lead-up to the election.

He surely stepped in it all around. Limbaugh had an interesting take this afternoon on Donald’s abortion kerfuffle.
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I’m certain we will hear his words too. I heard the Clinton camp is already out with a fundraising ad showing Trump in the Chris Matthews townhall.
 
Tomdstone said:
Hillary on the Rachel Maddow show:
—I’ve been on the front lines of the fight to preserve a woman’s choice and ability to make these difficult decisions, that is why I was endorsed by the Planned Parenthood action fund, that is why I was endorsed by NARAL, I am a leader in trying to make sure that our rights as women are not in any way eroded.—
realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/31/hillary_bernie_sanders_didnt_condemn_trump_strongly_enough.html
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She gives the reasons why I could never vote for her, why she should not get the vote of any Catholic. Endorsed by Planned Parenthood. Endorsed by NARAL. Indeed she is no doubt endorsed by every pro-abortion group. She fully supports abortion at every stage. This is no surprise. She comes from the party of death and is willing to advance its cause.
 
JimG said:
She gives the reasons why I could never vote for her, why she should not get the vote of any Catholic. Endorsed by Planned Parenthood. Endorsed by NARAL. Indeed she is no doubt endorsed by every pro-abortion group. She fully supports abortion at every stage. This is no surprise. She comes from the party of death and is willing to advance its cause.
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Oh, the Democrats aren’t the “party of death” any more than the Republicans. It was the GOP after all who upheld Roe v Wade and PP v Casey, not the Democrats.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
If the nominees are Hillary and Trump, Hillary will mop the floor with him when it comes to foreign affairs.
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Hillary will also mop the floor when it comes to the right for a woman to have abortions on demand. Hillary has made it clear that she strongly supports abortion rights. There is no way of getting around it. A million innocent children murdered per year in the USA. And if Hillary succeeds in changing religious beliefs as she has demanded, who knows how much higher the murder rate of unborn children will go?
 
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