Hillary Clinton Thread

[Lily_Bernans]

The numbers are probably right, if not underestimated.

One should not credit a decline in abortions to Obama, who would have his own daughter have one if a baby “burdened” (inconvenienced) her. As the population ages, it will naturally decline. Also, the use of abortifacient drugs blurs the numbers because nobody “registers” an abortifacient-produced abortion.

I would say “having problems” with a husband or partner is as close to coercion as one would want to come. There are almost always people who are complicit in every abortion.

And, of course, that 37% of protestants and 28% of Catholics are a built in constituency for abortion supporting politicians like Hillary Clinton. And there would also be those who think maybe sometime in the future they’ll want to take that same road; also natural constituents for someone like Hillary Clinton.

It’s a shame that our populace has been reduced to this. But it’s no surprise that abortion-supporting politicians want to make it as easy and inexpensive as possible.

“Having problems” isn’t coercion. Everyone has problems. All married couples face problems of some degree during their marriage. That doesn’t justify killing one’s child.

 

[JimG]

"The number of abortion providers declined by 4% between 2008 and 2011—from 1,793 to 1,720 (AGI). "

1,720 abortion providers. I assume that Kermit Gosnell is no longer practicing.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Chelsea Clinton was an employee. So her pay was part of the very significant amount going to “salaries”. Other large amounts go to other Clinton entities.

Even the cited article admits the author doesn’t really know where the money goes, and the only source cited for the proposition that most of it goes to “charity” is the Clinton Foundation itself.

Others have a different view, and it isn’t just Carly Fiorina. thefederalist.com/2015/04/27/in-2013-the-clinton-foundation-only-spent-10-percent-of-its-budget-on-charitable-grants/

Chelsea Clinton is an employee. So what? Trump employs his children.

What “Clinton entities” receive “large amounts?” Source?

 

[JimG]

“Having problems” isn’t coercion. Everyone has problems. All married couples face problems of some degree during their marriage. That doesn’t justify killing one’s child.

No, but Roe v Wade does justify it, as does Mrs. Clinton. Forty-three years of teaching that abortion is acceptable has its grisly effect.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

"The number of abortion providers declined by 4% between 2008 and 2011—from 1,793 to 1,720 (AGI). "

1,720 abortion providers. I assume that Kermit Gosnell is no longer practicing.

If women didn’t make the decision to kill their unborn children, no doctor would be practicing abortion.

 

[JimG]

l hope for a continued decline in the number of abortionists.

 

[Little_Sheep]

I think HRC may lose tomorrow. Bernie is a force to be reckoned with!

 

[Little_Sheep]

l hope for a continued decline in the number of abortionists.

Who’s the abortionist when a pregnant woman who doesn’t wish to be pregnant any longer gets her hands on some miso?

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I think HRC may lose tomorrow. Bernie is a force to be reckoned with!

Wisconsin isn’t winner-take-all for the Democrats, so I think Hillary will definitely pick up delegates, but I agree with you that she’ll come out on the short side.

 

[JimG]

Who’s the abortionist when a pregnant woman who doesn’t wish to be pregnant any longer gets her hands on some miso?

I’m speaking of the 1,720 full time abortionists who do abortion for a living. I would like to reduce their numbers. If some women self-abort, that is a separate problem, just as self inflicted suicide is a different problem from physician aided suicide. I would like for killing not to be an acceptable solution to anything, but first I want to reduce the number of professional killers.

 

[YADA]

I’m speaking of the 1,720 full time abortionists who do abortion for a living. I would like to reduce their numbers. If some women self-abort, that is a separate problem, just as self inflicted suicide is a different problem from physician aided suicide. I would like for killing not to be an acceptable solution to anything, but first I want to reduce the number of professional killers.

And Forty Days for Life events are not only saving babies but are helping to close Abortion Clinics … that and Republican lead State legislation that has been enacted in many states and survived court challenges

Prayer - nothing is impossible for our Lord … and assistance for mothers and families in crisis … our support is real - always has been … its a lie we do not care for a child after its born.

Not to mention science - science is on our side … the blob of tissue “lie” is not longer working as people can see the humanity of the unborn, know they feel pain and react to their mothers and other family members in utero

 

[Thorolfr]

I’m speaking of the 1,720 full time abortionists who do abortion for a living. I would like to reduce their numbers. If some women self-abort, that is a separate problem, just as self inflicted suicide is a different problem from physician aided suicide. I would like for killing not to be an acceptable solution to anything, but first I want to reduce the number of professional killers.

When abortion was illegal in most states, women would still get abortions by going to the few states where it was legal, even going long distances from the Midwest to New York, for example. So if abortion became illegal in the US, what would prevent women from either getting abortions from illegal abortionists or just getting on the bus to Canada and doing it there?

And BTW, abortion does make me feel uncomfortable, but I don’t know that making it illegal would be a solution.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I think HRC may lose tomorrow. Bernie is a force to be reckoned with!

I did hear tonight Hillary was not planning a rally tomorrow night. WI was always thought to potentially be a good state for Bernie. But like Lily Bernans said, Hillary will still come out with delegates.

And despite Bernie’s current string, Hillary has still received 58% of the overall vote vs Bernie’s approximately 42%.

medium.com/@rmook/to-hillary-clinton-supporters-the-facts-on-where-the-race-stands-87bf70654fbc#.odznli62o

 

[YADA]

When abortion was illegal in most states, women would still get abortions by going to the few states where it was legal, even going long distances from the Midwest to New York, for example. So if abortion became illegal in the US, what would prevent women from either getting abortions from illegal abortionists or just getting on the bus to Canada and doing it there?

And BTW, abortion does make me feel uncomfortable, but I don’t know that making it illegal would be a solution.

Help the tourist economy? If closing a planned parenthood in one county is an undue hardship … how many average people are going to obtain a passport and travel to Canada

Seriously, perhaps adoption would be come the “Loving Choice” - it is not necessary to kill your child if you are in poverty, are single or in an unstable relationship … Loving families are waiting to adopt these children and provide them a loving family … and with open adoptions - the birth mother can remain involved

 

[Sy_Noe]

If you feel “there’s nothing left to say”, why do you keep engaging in discussions on abortion?

Catholics greatly focus on 1 issue on the Hillary thread and then not expect response from other Catholics and others to what they are discussing?

 

[Sy_Noe]

I am discussing Hillary Clinton. Eradicating homelessness is one of her top priorities. The Clinton Foundation provides aid to the homeless.

 

[Thorolfr]

Help the tourist economy? If closing a planned parenthood in one county is an undue hardship … how many average people are going to obtain a passport and travel to Canada

Seriously, perhaps adoption would be come the “Loving Choice” - it is not necessary to kill your child if you are in poverty, are single or in an unstable relationship … Loving families are waiting to adopt these children and provide them a loving family … and with open adoptions - the birth mother can remain involved

Adoption was an option in the 1960s, too, but that didn’t prevent thousands of women from going to New York or other states where abortion was available. And it’s possible now to get a passport card for overland travel to Canada or Mexico for as little as $55, so that’s not as big a hurdle as you might imagine. It takes about 3 weeks to get it.

I’m not disagreeing with you that women might want to consider adopting children they would otherwise abort, but I’m not sure that making abortion illegal will solve the problem any more than prohibition for alcohol solved any problems.

 

[Peter_J]

When abortion was illegal in most states, women would still get abortions by going to the few states where it was legal, even going long distances from the Midwest to New York, for example. So if abortion became illegal in the US, what would prevent women from either getting abortions from illegal abortionists or just getting on the bus to Canada and doing it there?

And BTW, abortion does make me feel uncomfortable, but I don’t know that making it illegal would be a solution.

If Roe v Wade were overturned (and keep in mind I don’t think we are anywhere near that happening) which state or states do you envision banning abortion completely?

 

[YADA]

Adoption was an option in the 1960s, too, but that didn’t prevent thousands of women from going to New York or other states where abortion was available. And it’s possible now to get a passport card for overland travel to Canada or Mexico for as little as $55, so that’s not as big a hurdle as you might imagine. It takes about 3 weeks to get it.

I’m not disagreeing with you that women might want to consider adopting children they would otherwise abort, but I’m not sure that making abortion illegal will solve the problem any more than prohibition for alcohol solved any problems.

But it would change an unjust and morally reprehensible legal avenue that takes the life of innocent babies … to use your alcohol example - we are not making sexual relations or pregnancy unlawful [prohibition on alcohol] just the killing of the child that results [you could equate that to driving drunk].

As for eliminating any sinful immoral action by making it illegal … no law has ever done that - not one - not in any country on earth at any time in human history … but we don’t give up. Cars are stolen every day and car theft is illegal, people are murdered everyday and murder [except in the case of the innocent unborn] happens every day. Rape is illegal and still happens … these are not victimless crimes … and neither is abortion …

Abortion is never safe for the child - not ever - even if they survive one … and abortion is not safe for women - some loose their life, some loose their fertility, many suffer from depression and addiction that can be directly related back to their abortions/ And in spite of Lily - woman are coerced into obtaining abortions - softly by a society that says killing ones child is the cheap easy fix for your life’s problems, by family who doesn’t want to suffer embarrassment and shame, by boyfriends and husbands who don’t want to accept the responsibility for their actions - coercion takes many forms, force and violence, monetary support, emotional support …

 

[Sy_Noe]

It doesn’t even make the top ten with most people:

takepart.com/photos/10-social-issues-americans-talk-about-twitter-most/

huffingtonpost.com/j-randall-obrien/sanctity-of-life-presidential-campaign_b_8068464.html

I’m sure it’s number one with most Catholics, but not with most Americans in general.

Homelessness concerns me more. People, including children and babies, are sleeping in cardboard boxes under bridges and lack food and medicine. That should be unthinkable in the richest country in the world.

Exactly. Well said, Lily.