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Ridgerunner
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A mishmash in which there were four dissents at least in part. But for the defeat of Robert Bork, largely at the hands of abortion supporter Teddy Kennedy, the outcome would have been different.
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Little_Sheep
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Yes, I suspect she will continue to keep her delegate lead.Wisconsin isn’t winner-take-all for the Democrats, so I think Hillary will definitely pick up delegates, but I agree with you that she’ll come out on the short side.
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JimG
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“One usually doesn’t speak about the conference of the U.S. Supreme Court,” Blackmun began as he read from his own notes, but he said he thought it was important to “promote understanding of the Supreme Court.”
“I decided it,” he said of the infamous case." And Blackmun considered Roe v Wade to be a “doctor’s right’s” case.
hotair.com/archives/2014/01/22/blackmun-roe-was-a-doctors-rights-case-you-know/
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YADA
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Society does not sell what you are saying in the same way at all … no one openly tells anyone to cheat the IRS or steal and vandalize from your neighbor …
With abortion - we tell mothers that they are empowered by the killing of their child … don’t feel like you are ready for motherhood - no problem - kill the child and no one even has to know about it … its your right - even your duty to kill the unwanted child. Will your life be interrupted by a child? Abortion is the answer. Heck we even tell child rapists - bring your victim in to Planned Parenthood - we wont ask those inconvenient questions about age or who or why … its all done and over with - evidence is gone … all is well in pervertville.
Child has a headache - no aspirin from the school nurse - child pregnant - School nurse drives child for an abortion - no parents, no discussion, no problem
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Sy_Noe
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Huh? Where on earth did that come from? Liberals don’t want to punish women for not breaking the law. We aren’t the ones crying to make abortion illegal. What we don’t understand is why conservatives insist on calling abortion murder and want it outlawed but then if it were to become murder under the law, conservatives don’t want to punish the women for choosing to be involved in a murder. Seems anti-choice people just want it both ways and the inconsistency is deafening. So if a woman hands her car keys over to someone who is willing to drive her vehicle into a lake with her child strapped into the backseat to drown her child, I guess conservatives are willing to let that woman off the hook too.
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Lily_Bernans
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That is the only logical conclusion that can be drawn, Sy.
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_Abyssinia
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From: What if the Supreme Court Were Liberal?
theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/what-if-the-supreme-court-were-liberal/477018/
The implications for abortion with one or more nominees made by Clinton or Sanders and then appointed via Congress could be huge, it can not be underestimated. It seems unlikely though that all these laws would make it before the Supreme court, because I don’t think they are all challenged via the courts but still, major abortion restrictions would most likely be overturned.
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Ridgerunner
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Then logic should be made of smarter stuff.
The plain fact is that women were not punished back when abortion was illegal. Those who subjected them to it were the ones punished.
The ones who are pushing to punish women are the ones who support abortion on demand. Why? Because in using this false “logical” argument, they hope to persuade the ignorant that somehow curbing abortion on demand will criminalize women; an utterly false expectation that they know is false.
There is no logic to that, only an emotional appeal based on an obvious falsehood.
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stinkcat_14
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Nobody has been able to explain why murderers should not get punished.Then logic should be made of smarter stuff.
The plain fact is that women were not punished back when abortion was illegal. Those who subjected them to it were the ones punished.
The ones who are pushing to punish women are the ones who support abortion on demand. Why? Because in using this false “logical” argument, they hope to persuade the ignorant that somehow curbing abortion on demand will criminalize women; an utterly false expectation that they know is false.
There is no logic to that, only an emotional appeal based on an obvious falsehood.
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Ridgerunner
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It disappoints you that nobody can get inside the heads of 300 million people? I’m sure there are a number of reasons. But it hardly matters, since there is no chance whatever that women would be punished for having an abortion if it was illegal.
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stinkcat_14
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Do you believe that murders should not be punished?
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Darryl1958
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The history of the Catholic Church in the conversion of the barbarian germanic tribes of Europe is a good example of how to guide people back from the abyss.
Punishment of the tribes for their bloodlust and the sheer enjoyment that they all took in private wars and marauding was not an option. Jails and gallows would be of no practical use in changing hearts and minds.
The path between the Viking and the modern Ikea representative has been an incremental one, as the goodness of peace of Christ is stressed, and regulations to the waging of wars are incrementally brought into effect.
There comes a point when the idea of waging a private war becomes abhorrent and unthinkable for the average Swede. In between there was the patience, the resolve, the perpetual state of forgiveness, and the unquenchable, unconditional love that the Church has for all sinners.
That is how the war against the barbarism of abortion needs to be waged too. We are not a gallows people. Fear is not our weapon.
Truth is.
Punishment of the tribes for their bloodlust and the sheer enjoyment that they all took in private wars and marauding was not an option. Jails and gallows would be of no practical use in changing hearts and minds.
The path between the Viking and the modern Ikea representative has been an incremental one, as the goodness of peace of Christ is stressed, and regulations to the waging of wars are incrementally brought into effect.
There comes a point when the idea of waging a private war becomes abhorrent and unthinkable for the average Swede. In between there was the patience, the resolve, the perpetual state of forgiveness, and the unquenchable, unconditional love that the Church has for all sinners.
That is how the war against the barbarism of abortion needs to be waged too. We are not a gallows people. Fear is not our weapon.
Truth is.
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Emperor_Markus
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I believe it is totally unacceptable for any Catholic to support a pro-abortion candidate. It must be a non-negotiable! We cannot waver on any article of faith.
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Ridgerunner
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Have you stopped beating your wife?
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stinkcat_14
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I am not sure that is relevant. Whether murderers should be punished is the topic of the conversation. Personally, I think murderers ought to be prosecuted. If we are a nation of laws, I am not sure how it can be otherwise.
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Ridgerunner
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Actually, I think Hillary Clinton is the topic of the thread.
The “do you believe in punishing murderers” topic is a huge bugbear designed to frighten women against candidates who are prolife. There is not the slightest possibility of the society punishing women for having abortions.
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stinkcat_14
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In other words, we are not a nation that respects laws. The is no moral reason why murderers ought to get off scott free. I understand that some may want to accept injustice for political expediency. But if we believe that murderers should be punished, then we should not exempt people just because it is politically desirable.
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Sy_Noe
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The fact that women were not punished “back when” doesn’t mean it was any less illogical back then not to punish someone for an involvement in a murder than it would be now. Just face it. Conservatives want their cake and to eat it too. They simply want to get away with calling abortion “murder”. But then not follow up. I don’t blame them though. I know to punish women for their involvement in such a “murder” isn’t the best optics and would cost them even more votes at the ballot box. So they try to have it both ways. It’s not much more difficult than that.Then logic should be made of smarter stuff.
The plain fact is that women were not punished back when abortion was illegal. Those who subjected them to it were the ones punished.
The ones who are pushing to punish women are the ones who support abortion on demand. Why? Because in using this false “logical” argument, they hope to persuade the ignorant that somehow curbing abortion on demand will criminalize women; an utterly false expectation that they know is false.
There is no logic to that, only an emotional appeal based on an obvious falsehood.
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zz912
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If you wish to punish women who have abortion, you are free to voice your view and work to change the law. Those in the pro-life camp, I can’t think of one who holds such views.
And similar to our drug laws, the suppliers and kingpins are punished far more heavily than the users. In fact, drug laws work best when efforts are made at recovery and help given to users instead of punishment.
Laws always differentiate between similar actions based on culpability, intent, mental state, etc. Why the pro-abortion side wants to pretend otherwise is patently clear. Just another attempt to scare women.
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Sy_Noe
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Maybe because nobody can.
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