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Luigi_Daniele said:
  1. He is prolife (with the exceptions)
  2. He wants a strong military
  3. He wants to cut taxes
  4. He wants to secure our borders
  5. He wants to nominate conservative SCOTUS judges, and lower courts
  6. He wants to end crony capitalism (eg, hedge fund tax breakers)
Remind me again where he is a Democrat?😉
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His record of supporting Democratic candidates such as Chuck Schumer and Rahm Emmanuel.

His support of eminent domain.

His prolife exceptions then if we take his word for it include rape, incest, life of the mother and 1st trimester. People who are pro-choice actually are comfortable with these limits because they are practically the same as roe v wade. Life of the mother is so broadly applied that it means psychological health as well.🤷

I haven’t been able to find one significant contribution to any pro life cause. NYC tried to legislate against crisis pregnancy centers recently. When did he stand with them, make a comment in support, write a check? 🤷
 
Lily_Bernans said:
That’s true. I don’t know why people fail to see that. They call abortion “murder,” so how could it be any different from hiring a hitman? I agree with you.
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As a Theology Professor, I am sure you must be familiar with Evangelium Vitae.

ewtn.com/library/encyc/jp2evang.htm
I would now like to say a special word to women who have had an abortion. The Church is aware of the many factors which may have influenced your decision, and she does not doubt that in many cases it was a painful and even shattering decision. The wound in your heart may not yet have healed. Certainly what happened was and remains terribly wrong. But do not give in to discouragement and do not lose hope. Try rather to understand what happened and face it honestly. If you have not already done so, give yourselves over with humility and trust to repentance. The Father of mercies is ready to give you his forgiveness and his peace in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. You will come to understand that nothing is definitively lost and you will also be able to ask forgiveness from your child, who is now living in the Lord. With the friendly and expert help and advice of other people, and as a result of your own painful experience, you can be among the most eloquent defenders of everyone’s right to life. Through your commitment to life, whether by accepting the birth of other children or by welcoming and caring for those most in need of someone to be close to them, you will become promoters of a new way of looking at human life.
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St. Pope John Paul is calling for mercy and not vengeance.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
His record of supporting Democratic candidates such as Chuck Schumer and Rahm Emmanuel.

His support of eminent domain.

His prolife exceptions then if we take his word for it include rape, incest, life of the mother and 1st trimester. People who are pro-choice actually are comfortable with these limits because they are practically the same as roe v wade. Life of the mother is so broadly applied that it means psychological health as well.🤷

I haven’t been able to find one significant contribution to any pro life cause. NYC tried to legislate against crisis pregnancy centers recently. When did he stand with them, make a comment in support, write a check? 🤷
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Trump seems as much Democrat as Republican to me. Really, though, he’s like nothing I’ve ever seen before in either party! :eek:
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
As a Theology Professor, I am sure you must be familiar with Evangelium Vitae.

ewtn.com/library/encyc/jp2evang.htm

St. Pope John Paul is calling for mercy and not vengeance.
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God Bless St.Pope John Paul.Through his message of God’s love and mercy many women,men suffering in silence from the decision to abort,have been brought back into the fold of God’s love and His Church.Rachael’s Vineyard Healing Mimistries have brought this message of love and forgiveness through weekend retreats.Abortion leaves a soul wound that never completely heals,to suggest that society round up the countless women who have paid the price for their grievous decision and throw them in prison is a callous and uncharitable attitude to say the least.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Maybe you should have him explain it to you, then you can explain it to us.
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Jailing Women?
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Fr. Frank Pavone
National Director, Priests for Life
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Question: “When abortion becomes illegal again, are we going to start throwing all the women who have abortions into jail?”
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Answer: No. The people who should go to jail in that case are the abortionists.
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This particular question will be raised more and more as we to come closer to restoring protection to the unborn. The question is actually part of the well-planned public relations attack that abortion advocates always try to make on us in the pro-life movement. We are anti-woman, after all. Isn’t that the only logical reason why we would oppose abortion in the first place? That’s what they want the public to believe.
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Yet the fact is that to be pro-life is to be pro-woman. We don’t say love the baby and forget about the mother. Rather, we ask, Why can’t we love them both? This is not just true when abortion is legal. It’s also true when it’s illegal.
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**The pro-life movement is not out to punish women. Our goal, instead, is to stop child-killing. What would throwing women in jail do to accomplish that goal? Their children have already died, yet the abortionist goes on killing hundreds and thousands of others. It makes far more sense to put the abortionist in jail, so that he or she can no longer kill children.
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Moreover, the woman who gets an illegal abortion is the best source of information and evidence needed to convict the abortionist. If she feared prosecution, she would never admit to the abortion, which would make it harder to find the abortionist.
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This doesn’t excuse the woman’s wrongdoing; rather, it is the same principle by which the state grants immunity to a small-time drug user in exchange for information leading to a big-time drug dealer.
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This approach takes nothing away from the biological fact that abortion destroys a human life, nor from the moral fact that the life taken is of the same value as any born person. But consider how the law approaches the killing of born people. Murder is not the same as homicide, which is not the same as manslaughter. Factors of premeditation, heat of passion, ignorance, negligence, and cooperation in the action of someone else are all taken into account in order to assess as fairly as possible how much responsibility the individual actually had.
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Consider these words from someone who had an abortion: “I really had no idea of what I was doing. I was completely ignorant about fetal development. I just wanted to get out of the crisis I was in.” More than any other form of killing, abortion is accompanied by pressure and ignorance. If we were going to start prosecuting women, we would actually end up prosecuting more boyfriends and parents.
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But in fact, we conduct a ministry of healing, not of punishment. We want to bring those who have been involved in abortions to the freedom, forgiveness, and peace of Christ. That’s how we answer what will be a more and more common question.

priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2008/08-01-28-jailing-women.htm
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Do you understand NOW?
 
rmartensjr said:
Do you understand NOW?
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Based on birth rates, it doesn’t seem like Roe v Wade made much of a difference. It seems like there were a whole lot of abortions going on when it was illegal and only doctors could be prosecuted. I don’t see how the old way worked in stopping abortions.
 
Crossbones said:
Based on birth rates, it doesn’t seem like Roe v Wade made much of a difference. It seems like there were a whole lot of abortions going on when it was illegal and only doctors could be prosecuted. I don’t see how the old way worked in stopping abortions.
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And putting women is prison will? Good luck with that one!
 
Crossbones said:
Based on birth rates, it doesn’t seem like Roe v Wade made much of a difference. It seems like there were a whole lot of abortions going on when it was illegal and only doctors could be prosecuted. I don’t see how the old way worked in stopping abortions.
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Are you suggesting that in the 40 years prior to Roe V Wade, there were the same # of abortions as in the 40 years after RvW (even adjusted for population growth)?
 
Maybe, as the good father says, the pro-life movement isn’t out to punish women. However a woman who has an abortion is automatically excommunicated whereas a murderer isn’t. That says to me that the Church feels the woman should be punished and is. I guess it is okay if the state doesn’t want to punish her, after all they aren’t held to the same laws as Catholics. However, the Church doesn’t really agree, based on Her laws.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Certainly, nobody on these boards can explain why accessories to murder ought not to be punished.
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Correctly or incorrectly, I think a lot of people believe the “mens rea” is very different. Probably with a lot of women, it is different from the cold-blooded killer who wields the knife for money or the politician who supports it for political gain.

And, of course, the sellers of abortion, literally or politically, promote confusion in the minds of the women who have abortions. All Hillary Clinton had to do, for example, was say the word “unborn” and abortion supporters, including her own partisans, went ballistic. “Oh no, we can’t be saying that”. Nobody can deny that deception is very big when it comes to those who profit from abortion. “Products of conception”, “fetal tissues”, on and on. Why are laws requiring women to see ultrasounds so opposed by the left? Because it raises understanding, that’s why.

But regardless of anything, it’s still a false choice because it wouldn’t happen.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Are you suggesting that in the 40 years prior to Roe V Wade, there were the same # of abortions as in the 40 years after RvW (even adjusted for population growth)?
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I think probably so. There was a very small change in births between 1972 and 1974. If there were 1 million new abortions in 1974, then you would expect 1 million less babies born.
 
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