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From the same document linked above:

“That being said, the moral teaching of the Church is that the human embryo must be treated as if it were already ensouled, even if it might not yet be so. It must be treated as if it were a person from the moment of conception, even if there exists the theoretical possibility that it might not yet be so.”

Indeed, one hears the ensoulment argument mainly from those who favor abortion, even from those who do not even believe in souls.

I think the only reason there is no settled tradition on ensoulment is that until the 20th century no one in the church or outside of it knew much of anything about embryology. Now, we do. And we have known the essentials of embryology since before Roe v Wade. There is no longer a doubt embryologically about when a new human being begins. Theology has not caught up.

And yet, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception implicitly assumes that the Virgin Mary was ensouled at conception. The Annunciation assumes that Jesus became a human being from the first instant of his conception in the womb of Mary.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Certainly, nobody on these boards can explain why accessories to murder ought not to be punished.
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The only explanation I keep seeing is so the woman will cooperate with law enforcement. Why they make an exception though in this case but are still willing to punish others who are accessories to murder, I haven’t seen an answer too. I can only guess it does have something to do with political expediency.
 
Peter_J said:
Are we seriously going to have a discussion about whether or not HRC has had an abortion?
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Mary_Gail_36 said:
I agree. It’s not our business.
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IMHO, it speaks to the character of the person if a candidate has contracted to murder someone. I personally would not vote for a man who has murdered his wife. I would say that the character of a person and his willingness to commit murder is something I would take into account before voting for him.
 
Peter_J said:
I don’t get surprised very easily (I doubt anyone does, if they’ve followed this election cycle) but wow. Are we seriously going to have a discussion about whether or not HRC has had an abortion?
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I agree that it’s not our business. The article in LifeSite news is also rather misleading. It only quotes William F. Harrison as saying, "I met Hillary first as her physician and she soon introduced me to her then boyfriend, Bill.” He doesn’t say that he performed an abortion on her. The LifeSite article calls him “Abortionist William F. Harrison,” but he was an obstetrician who also delivered 6000 babies. Hillary could very well have been seeing him for medical care that had nothing to do with having an abortion.
 
Thorolfr said:
I agree that it’s not our business. The article in LifeSite news is also rather misleading. It only quotes William F. Harrison as saying, "I met Hillary first as her physician and she soon introduced me to her then boyfriend, Bill.” He doesn’t say that he performed an abortion on her. The LifeSite article calls him “Abortionist William F. Harrison,” but he was an obstetrician who also delivered 6000 babies. Hillary could very well have been seeing him for medical care that had nothing to do with having an abortion.
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Life news has a different story.
lifenews.com/2016/03/29/woman-who-had-affair-with-bill-clinton-claims-hillary-clinton-had-several-abortions/
 
Tomdstone said:
Life news has a different story.
lifenews.com/2016/03/29/woman-who-had-affair-with-bill-clinton-claims-hillary-clinton-had-several-abortions/
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Right. Because I would believe what a man cheating on his wife says.

I take it you are not female. If a woman having an affair with a married man believes anything he says, she is an idiot. Most of us aren’t idiots and our mothers taught us the truth. Even those stupid enough to have an affair with a a married man know in their heart of hearts that everything he says is a lie.
 
Tomdstone said:
Life news has a different story.
lifenews.com/2016/03/29/woman-who-had-affair-with-bill-clinton-claims-hillary-clinton-had-several-abortions/
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How believable is this story? It’s one person who is making these claims, but LifeNews does not even attempt to corroborate any of her claims. Especially when she says that Hillary is a Lesbian, another claim I’ve never heard before about a woman who has been in the public eye for decades, I wouldn’t put too much stock in this article.

This Lesbian claim kind of ruins the earlier story that Hillary was involved in an affair with Vince Foster. 😉
 
Thorolfr said:
How believable is this story? It’s one person who is making these claims, but LifeNews does not even attempt to corroborate any of her claims. Especially when she says that Hillary is a Lesbian, another claim I’ve never heard before about a woman who has been in the public eye for decades, I wouldn’t put too much stock in this article.
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If you would read the book Passion and Betrayal by Gennifer Flowers, you will see similar claims on pages 41-42. And there are other books which relate what both Bill and Hillary said when interviewed by Paul Fray. So it s not just one person who is making these claims.
 
Tomdstone said:
If you would read the book Passion and Betrayal by Gennifer Flowers, you will see similar claims on pages 41-42. And there are other books which relate what both Bill and Hillary said when interviewed by Paul Fray. So it s not just one person who is making these claims.
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I don’t believe so called pillow talk when one is adulterer. Sorry, but my mom told me about the lies men would tell me. The ones dealing with married men included, she is cold, she doesn’t want children ( she has had an abortion is a variation of this), it is a marriage of convenience, etc.

Really, why would any one believe a man’s reason for committing adultery. If you’re female, you know they are lies.

Sorry Tom. As a female, I distrust anything that comes from a man’s mouth when he is committing adultery.
 
sallybutler said:
Perhaps because some CAF members realize that being against abortion is harder than just saying doctors should be punished. Of course, as others have pointed out, that is not the politically correct pro-life thing to say.
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Well, for whatever reasons, CAF members are able to justify voting for a party that keeps abortion legal, and at the same time state that women are murderers who need to be punished.

At least we have clarity on the position of at least three people here, and it is not all that different from Trump’s musings.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
And…🤷
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So be it.
Your position is that women who abort are murderers who need to be punished for their murder.

The only discrepancy in the logic would be to enable politicians who will do all that they can to ensure that the law does not reflect that particular position in any way.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Well, for whatever reasons, CAF members are able to justify voting for a party that keeps abortion legal, and at the same time state that women are murderers who need to be punished.

At least we have clarity on the position of at least three people here, and it is not all that different from Trump’s musings.
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And what is wrong about Trump’s musings?
 
Thorolfr said:
How believable is this story? …Especially when she says that Hillary is a Lesbian, another claim I’ve never heard before about a woman who has been in the public eye for decades, I wouldn’t put too much stock in this article.

This Lesbian claim kind of ruins the earlier story that Hillary was involved in an affair with Vince Foster. 😉
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There are a few other sources claiming the same thing:
Edward Klein’s book The Truth About Hillary makes the claim.
Also see huffingtonpost.com/news/hillary-clinton-lesbian/
for a couple more sources making similar claims.
 
Tomdstone said:
There are a few other sources claiming the same thing:
Edward Klein’s book The Truth About Hillary makes the claim.
Also see huffingtonpost.com/news/hillary-clinton-lesbian/
for a couple more sources making similar claims.
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Please stop. You are beginning to sound like a gossip. Yes, we know Bill Clinton was an adulterer. Why do you feel a need to bring up every innuendo about Hillary Clinton? It is starting to feel like you can’t find any other reason to dislike her other than she must have caused her husband to cheat. That is a very non-Catholic point-of-view, considering Joesph never cheated on Mary.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Only a monkey’s sperm can unite with a monkey’s egg to create a monkey. Same with a giraffe, a cow, a pig, a horse, etc. And, I didn’t make a conjecture.

No mental gymnastics required.

If the NCBC and the Church’s Magisterium cannot come to a definite conclusion, I don’t think we can.

Each person has to hold his or her own unprovable opinion.
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How do they explain that our names.are written in the palms of God’s hands? And why did the Ángel say that He was to be called Jesús? I mean, it had to be, because it already was…
The CCC speaks about His name.at.the moment of incarnation…
I.mean,name, who, identity…Doesn t that mean that we also have always existed in God’ heart ( ok or however theologically, sorry…:o) ?
I know this is not a specifically answer to the issue, but I was just wondering.
Also if Jesús wasn t.a person since the " Yes" of Mary.
If it complicated to explain, I do not mind you just telling me it is difficult or that it has nothing to do. I really do not mind if you feel like skipping it. No offense.Thanks.
 
Tomdstone said:
There are a few other sources claiming the same thing.
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People who write “gossip books” are just trying to “cash in.” I consider people, whose names I will not name, but who indulge in idle gossip, about as believable as the serpent in the Garden. There is gossip out there about Hillary, Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, everyone who is well known. It’s all unsubstantiated. All of the unsubstantiated gossip about Hillary is making her into a martyr figure. If I weren’t going to vote for her or Sanders anyway, the sympathy I feel for her now would push me in that direction.

The people who write “gossip pieces,” and I’m referencing an anonymous group of them, no one person in particular, are being extraordinarily uncharitable. We should all consider Proverbs 16:27: “An ungodly man digs up evil, and it is on his lips like a burning fire.” Or what about Leviticus 19:16: “You should not go about as a talebearer among your people.” “Talebearer” is translated from the Hebrew râkìyl, which is used in the sense of a “scandal-monger,” and is always a negative word.

Why would any of us want to read books written by such people? Such talebearers? Shouldn’t we consider James 1:26: “If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.” Romans 1:18-19, 28-29 tells us what God thinks of those who gossip: "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are gossipers.” “Gossiper” is translated from the Greek psithurités, meaning a “secret slanderer.”

Why can’t we just discuss issues? If there are talebearers out there looking to cash in with unsubstantiated “gossip books,” shouldn’t we do the charitable thing and ignore them? These “talebearers” have no place in a discussion among Catholic persons, or persons of any religion. We all have ideas on the political issues that we can share and discuss in a charitable manner without being the bearer of tales. And just so you know, I’m not, in any way, referencing you in particular; I mean all of us, me included.
 
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