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Ridgerunner said:
No one on CAF has ever produced one, or his own definition, for that matter.
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Torture is the deliberate infliction of acute physical or psychological pain sometimes in order to compel some action, such as confession or obtaining information, from the victim. It may also be inflicted as punishment, revenge, sadism, political re-education, etc. Americans have changed the name of torture to “enhanced interrogation techniques,”
Americans do this in an attempt to avoid condemnation from the international community in view of the fact that torture is a violation of Article 5 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Further, torture is prohibited by the United Nations Convention Against Torture.
According to Republican Senator John McCain: “waterboarding, …is a mock execution and thus an exquisite form of torture. As such, they are prohibited by American laws and values, and I oppose them.”
washingtonpost.com/opinions/bin-ladens-death-and-the-debate-over-torture/2011/05/11/AFd1mdsG_story.html
 
sallybutler said:
How dare Democrats use the tax code to benefit themselves. Everyone knows only Republicans are allowed to evade taxation.
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It underlines her hypocrisy:

However, on the campaign trail last week, Hillary Clinton criticized the “super-rich” who use “outrageous tax havens and loopholes” to pay fewer taxes. She pledged that, as president, she would “shut down the so-called private tax system for the mega-wealthy,” including legal tax avoidance activities, in order to "make sure that everyone pays their fair share here in America."

It speaks volumes about what kind of person she is. Though perhaps not as much as this article does:

nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/
 
Exiled_Child said:
It underlines her hypocrisy:

However, on the campaign trail last week, Hillary Clinton criticized the “super-rich” who use “outrageous tax havens and loopholes” to pay fewer taxes. She pledged that, as president, she would “shut down the so-called private tax system for the mega-wealthy,” including legal tax avoidance activities, in order to "make sure that everyone pays their fair share here in America."

It speaks volumes about what kind of person she is. Though perhaps not as much as this article does:

nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/
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Hillary criticizes those who use tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes, but does it herself?
 
Exiled_Child said:
It underlines her hypocrisy:

However, on the campaign trail last week, Hillary Clinton criticized the “super-rich” who use “outrageous tax havens and loopholes” to pay fewer taxes. She pledged that, as president, she would “shut down the so-called private tax system for the mega-wealthy,” including legal tax avoidance activities, in order to "make sure that everyone pays their fair share here in America."

It speaks volumes about what kind of person she is. Though perhaps not as much as this article does:

nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/
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Hillary paid millions in taxes last year. She released her tax forms. Paying millions is hardly a hypocrite.

How much did Trump pay? Oh, we don’t know! He won’t release his tax forms!
 
Tomdstone said:
Hillary criticizes those who use tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes, but does it herself?
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She does NOT use tax loopholes. Her tax forms are on her Website. She and Bill paid millions to the IRS. And they gave 14 million to charity, about a tenth of their income.
 
Tomdstone said:
Torture is the deliberate infliction of acute physical or psychological pain sometimes in order to compel some action, such as confession or obtaining information, from the victim. It may also be inflicted as punishment, revenge, sadism, political re-education, etc. Americans have changed the name of torture to “enhanced interrogation techniques,”
Americans do this in an attempt to avoid condemnation from the international community in view of the fact that torture is a violation of Article 5 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Further, torture is prohibited by the United Nations Convention Against Torture.
According to Republican Senator John McCain: “waterboarding, …is a mock execution and thus an exquisite form of torture. As such, they are prohibited by American laws and values, and I oppose them.”
washingtonpost.com/opinions/bin-ladens-death-and-the-debate-over-torture/2011/05/11/AFd1mdsG_story.html
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Tomdstone said:
Torture is the deliberate infliction of acute physical or psychological pain sometimes in order to compel some action, such as confession or obtaining information, from the victim. It may also be inflicted as punishment, revenge, sadism, political re-education, etc.
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I believe the above is the UN definition.

Of interest, and not surprisingly, the UN has also labeled the Catholic Church’s prolife stand as promoting “torture”. lifenews.com/2014/05/06/united-nations-calls-catholic-churchs-pro-life-teachings-promoting-torture/

The above definition is subjective in virtually all of its elements, and can be applied to almost anything unpleasant.

So, if a police officer uses a “punishing hold” to get a resistant prisoner into a police car, that’s “torture”.

Pointing a gun at a criminal to get him to drop his gun or knife is “torture” because it puts him in acute psychological fear of imminent pain or death.

Waterboarding Navy SEALS and Special Forces (part of their training) is “torture”. Even worse, that week at the end of training when they get almost no sleep, do demanding physical tasks in the cold and are constantly required to go into the sea to the point of near-drowning, is a “torture” even worse than waterboarding.

Telling a bank vice-president that if he doesn’t attribute corrupt motives to his boss in a bank fraud investigation will lead to his being removed from his career, wife, family and home and sent to Leavenworth is definitely “torture”.

The FBI telling a co-conspirator that if he doesn’t finger his other conspirators, they’ll convict him and send him to a prison where enemy gang members will surely make short work of him is “torture”. (They do that, too, all the time.)

And bringing the heavy arm of the state down on a group of the most gentle, peace-loving, kindly nuns on earth in order to “politically re-educate” them about participating in the provision of contraceptives and abortifacients, threatening to end the ministry to which they dedicated their lives, entirely by fining them so heavily they couldn’t possibly pay, that’s “torture” too.

Hilary Clinton has informed us that we must “change our religion” to accommodate what she thinks we should believe. But I guess she hasn’t disclosed her methods yet, so calling that “torture” is premature.

On and on and on. An inadequate definition, to be sure. Not that the member states obey it anyway.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
She does NOT use tax loopholes. Her tax forms are on her Website. She and Bill paid millions to the IRS. And they gave 14 million to charity, about a tenth of their income.
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Are you saying the Clinton’s did not deduct charitable contributions on their income taxes? Mortgage interest? Did not claim long term capital gains? Did not take IRA deductions?
 
Lily_Bernans said:
She does NOT use tax loopholes. Her tax forms are on her Website. She and Bill paid millions to the IRS. And they gave 14 million to charity, about a tenth of their income.
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C’mon,don’t be naive…Their charitable donations were re routed back into the Clinton Foundatin.:rolleyes: The Clntons are masters of manipulatin and obfuscation.The two of them have made millions off of their memoirs,yeT they never seem to remember anything especially when it pertains to their sketchy dealings:rolleyes::eek:
 
Jeanne_S said:
C’mon,don’t be naive…Their charitable donations were re routed back into the Clinton Foundatin.:rolleyes: The Clntons are masters of manipulatin and obfuscation.The two of them have made millions off of their memoirs,yeT they never seem to remember anything especially when it pertains to their sketchy dealings:rolleyes::eek:
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14 million did NOT go to the Clinton Foundation.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Oh, yeah, we’re really fearful. That’s why Hillary has gotten 2 million plus more votes than Trump or even Sanders. :rolleyes:

It’s scary when your candidate gets millions more votes than anyone else! :rolleyes: :eek:
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At least she doesn’t have your support!
 
stinkcat_14 said:
The problem is, people just don’t trust the Clintons. Her husband had political skills. She seems to be lacking in that department. I don’t see how she will be able to work with the republicans when she can’t even work with her own party.
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See my post above.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
14 million did NOT go to the Clinton Foundation.
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$3,000,000 did from 2014 alone according to their tax returns. And that was of the amount actually paid to them for speaking fees. No telling how much was directly donated to the Foundation and bypassed them personally.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
It is beyond my comprehension how they think Obama is hiding something about his early life. He was born in Hawaii. He went to college in the US. His college days are an open book. He passed the Illinois bar, but did not have an active license when he was teaching constitutional law, which is the norm for lawyers if they are not practicing. When they do not keep their license active, they don’t have to pay the fees. He went into politics. He’s been president for the last eight years. His life is an open book to me.
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Citation please.
 
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