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7_Sorrows said:
evidently you haven’t paid attention to what has happened in the Middle East since Obama became president and the rise in terrorism around the world and his jayvee team (ISIS or ISIL or DAESH) that has brought new horrors of what terrorists are caoable of not to mention the deadly attacks on our soil that have occurred about every year he has been in office.
Incompetent and not transparent are the best characteristics of this president as well as lowering everyone’s morale.
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But Obama gave Ukraine a Euromaidan. Does he get any credit for that?
 
7_Sorrows said:
evidently you haven’t paid attention to what has happened in the Middle East since Obama became president and the rise in terrorism around the world and his jayvee team (ISIS or ISIL or DAESH) that has brought new horrors of what terrorists are caoable of not to mention the deadly attacks on our soil that have occurred about every year he has been in office.
Incompetent and not transparent are the best characteristics of this president as well as lowering everyone’s morale.
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Not everyone’s. My morale was actually lower before Nov 2008.
 
7_Sorrows said:
evidently you haven’t paid attention to what has happened in the Middle East since Obama became president and the rise in terrorism around the world and his jayvee team (ISIS or ISIL or DAESH) that has brought new horrors of what terrorists are caoable of not to mention the deadly attacks on our soil that have occurred about every year he has been in office.
Incompetent and not transparent are the best characteristics of this president as well as lowering everyone’s morale.
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You can’t entirely blame the rise of ISIS/ISIL on Obama. It amassed the power it did because of the power vacuum created by the overthrow of Saddam Hussian. He could have handled it better, then sending drones strikes which kill innocent people, giving terrorist sects more propaganda but I’m not entirely convinced that things would be much different if a Republican was in office.
 
sallybutler said:
No he wouldn’t. Spouses have a biased view of their spouses, both positive and negative. I am sure if I asked your spouse about you, it would not be objective.
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She would be in the best position to know, nevertheless.

It might be a case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing too, or the shadow knows.

Overtly, in her support for me, she would put her best foot forward. We are connected.There will always be that facade, the social mask that we all wear, that couples wear together even.
Latently, and unconsciously, there is also a part of the human will that needs to express itself more truthfully, more darkly even, and try to reveal what is purposely hidden behind our masks.

To know something or someone objectively is to know like Eve knew the uneaten fruit in the garden. One can give a very intellectual and rational account based on that kind of understanding.
But once you take a bite, aah, then you really do know the guy
Subjective understanding does not mean that you know the person any less. The one who has taken the bite has a kind of knowledge that surpasses objective knowledge, They have the kind of knowledge that is based on experience, and not on hearsay, even God’s hearsay.

I think that my wife is in the best position to know me, warts and all, in many ways better than I know myself.
And in that way too, Bill is in the best position to know Hillary.

He is not a disinterested party to her success or failure too, and I described one scenario where to the extent that she succeeds, he fails.

Other than that, I have no idea why you think that I was in any way disagreeing with the conversation that you were having with others.

I can see why Bill might not be too happy with Hillary as his legacy too.
 
xNoOnex said:
You can’t entirely blame the rise of ISIS/ISIL on Obama. It amassed the power it did because of the power vacuum created by the overthrow of Saddam Hussian. He could have handled it better, then sending drones strikes which kill innocent people, giving terrorist sects more propaganda but I’m not entirely convinced that things would be much different if a Republican was in office.
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if he had not pulled out of Iraq - as he was warned not to do - his “jayvee” team might have never been able to form in the first place.
 
Darryl1958 said:
She would be in the best position to know, nevertheless.

It might be a case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing too, or the shadow knows.

Overtly, in her support for me, she would put her best foot forward. We are connected.There will always be that facade, the social mask that we all wear, that couples wear together even.
Latently, and unconsciously, there is also a part of the human will that needs to express itself more truthfully, more darkly even, and try to reveal what is purposely hidden behind our masks.

To know something or someone objectively is to know like Eve knew the uneaten fruit in the garden. One can give a very intellectual and rational account based on that kind of understanding.
But once you take a bite, aah, then you really do know the guy
Subjective understanding does not mean that you know the person any less. The one who has taken the bite has a kind of knowledge that surpasses objective knowledge, They have the kind of knowledge that is based on experience, and not on hearsay, even God’s hearsay.

I think that my wife is in the best position to know me, warts and all, in many ways better than I know myself.
And in that way too, Bill is in the best position to know Hillary.

He is not a disinterested party to her success or failure too, and I described one scenario where to the extent that she succeeds, he fails.

Other than that, I have no idea why you think that I was in any way disagreeing with the conversation that you were having with others.

I can see why Bill might not be too happy with Hillary as his legacy too.
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I was suggesting, perhaps too subtlety, that some husbands don’t like it when a wives do as good or better than them.
 
7_Sorrows said:
if he had not pulled out of Iraq - as he was warned not to do - his “jayvee” team might have never been able to form in the first place.
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We were asked by the Iraqi government to leave. On what legal basis could the US have remained without a status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government (the supposedly democratic government that we put in place)? It was also the Bush administration which negotiated the withdrawal date.
 
Thorolfr said:
We were asked by the Iraqi government to leave. On what legal basis could the US have remained without a status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government (the supposedly democratic government that we put in place)? It was also the Bush administration which negotiated the withdrawal date.
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For someone (Obama) who is marketed as being so smart, both he and his followers sure do need to blame Bush quite a lot…
 
redstate.com/absentee/2016/07/02/flash-hillary-clinton-met-fbi-3.5-hours-today-criminal-probe-alleged-criminal-activity/

*This morning, as part of their ongoing criminal investigation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation met with Democratic Presidential candidate and former Secretary of State with the Obama administration Hillary Clinton, over her mishandling of classified material and other very serious possible criminal acts.

“Secretary Clinton gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was Secretary,” campaign spokesman Nick Merrill said in an email a short time ago. “She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion. Out of respect for the investigative process, she will not comment further on her interview.”

The interview took place at the FBI headquarters in Washington, D.C.

The FBI has indicated to various news agencies that interviewing Hillary is one of the final steps before they decide which charges they may bring against her, or even possibly (shamefully) deciding not to bring any charges and let her get away with it.*
 
sallybutler said:
I was suggesting, perhaps too subtlety, that some husbands don’t like it when a wives do as good or better than them.
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Bill Clinton actually had a pretty good successful run as president and governor. He was alittle bit rapey maybe, but “aw shucks”, it is not as if feminists haven’t all forgive him for that.
Hillary has all of the sleaze of Bill, but none of the competence, and none of the charm.

I am not saying that Bill couldn’t act in accordance with his own inflated sense of male ego, but there really isn’t much chance of Hillary outshining him, objectively speaking. The only thing that she has got going for him up until this point is Bill’s name, and the D on the voting card.

On the other hand, she is corrupt enough, and incompetent enough, and lacks character enough, that she could do real harm to Bill’s place in history. Bill wouldn’t even have to be a male chauvinist pig to recognize that fact, and either consciously or unconsciously subvert her for that reason alone.
 
The group included an unlikely gang of pro-Clinton foot soldiers, including a Mississippi-born Southern Baptist who got her start in GOP politics as an intern in the second Bush White House, a conservative health care policy analyst who has volunteered for anti-abortion causes and a former president of the Cornell University College Republicans.

For these women, Donald Trump’s bombastic style, offensive rhetoric toward women and minorities, slapdash policy “suggestions” risk destroying the party.

“It’s really important that Republican leaders, especially Republican women leaders, stand up right now and say we’re not OK with Trump representing our party,” said Jennifer Lim, a group founder who works at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and has spent much of her life volunteering for Republican causes and campaigns. “This is not a position I ever wanted to find myself in. But it’s important that when things like this happen that people speak up.”

The group, unaffiliated with the Clinton campaign, plans to make an appearance at the Democratic Party’s national convention in Philadelphia this month.

cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/republican-women-organize-to-support-clinton/
 
Sy_Noe said:
The group included an unlikely gang of pro-Clinton foot soldiers, including a Mississippi-born Southern Baptist who got her start in GOP politics as an intern in the second Bush White House, a conservative health care policy analyst who has volunteered for anti-abortion causes and a former president of the Cornell University College Republicans.

For these women, Donald Trump’s bombastic style, offensive rhetoric toward women and minorities, slapdash policy “suggestions” risk destroying the party.

“It’s really important that Republican leaders, especially Republican women leaders, stand up right now and say we’re not OK with Trump representing our party,” said Jennifer Lim, a group founder who works at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and has spent much of her life volunteering for Republican causes and campaigns. “This is not a position I ever wanted to find myself in. But it’s important that when things like this happen that people speak up.”

The group, unaffiliated with the Clinton campaign, plans to make an appearance at the Democratic Party’s national convention in Philadelphia this month.

cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/republican-women-organize-to-support-clinton/
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Former president of Cornell University GOP?

Chamber of Commerce? :o

These are some of the positions and reasons why Trump is where he is today in the first place! 😃

Also: “Poll: 20% of Dems would defect for Trump”

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/265330-some-dems-would-defect-for-trump-poll-shows

Trump drawing Democrats in northeast:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/9/donald-trump-winning-over-democrats-in-blue-northe/
 
Darryl1958 said:
Bill Clinton actually had a pretty good successful run as president and governor. He was alittle bit rapey maybe, but “aw shucks”, it is not as if feminists haven’t all forgive him for that.
Hillary has all of the sleaze of Bill, but none of the competence, and none of the charm.

I am not saying that Bill couldn’t act in accordance with his own inflated sense of male ego, but there really isn’t much chance of Hillary outshining him, objectively speaking. The only thing that she has got going for him up until this point is Bill’s name, and the D on the voting card.

On the other hand, she is corrupt enough, and incompetent enough, and lacks character enough, that she could do real harm to Bill’s place in history. Bill wouldn’t even have to be a male chauvinist pig to recognize that fact, and either consciously or unconsciously subvert her for that reason alone.
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Oh my gosh. You may have to turn in your CAF card, you praised Bill Clinton.

You are aware that Trump is also being investigated. Of course, it is only states so who cares.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Bill Clinton actually had a pretty good successful run as president and governor. He was alittle bit rapey maybe, but “aw shucks”, it is not as if feminists haven’t all forgive him for that.
Hillary has all of the sleaze of Bill, but none of the competence, and none of the charm.

I am not saying that Bill couldn’t act in accordance with his own inflated sense of male ego, but there really isn’t much chance of Hillary outshining him, objectively speaking. The only thing that she has got going for him up until this point is Bill’s name, and the D on the voting card.

On the other hand, she is corrupt enough, and incompetent enough, and lacks character enough, that she could do real harm to Bill’s place in history. Bill wouldn’t even have to be a male chauvinist pig to recognize that fact, and either consciously or unconsciously subvert her for that reason alone.
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Hillary isn’t really a people person. Her campaigning in Iowa earlier in the season was just horrid, like she didn’t even want to be there.
 
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